Re: [tw] iPhone

[FND]

> Has anyone tried testing TW on an iPhone?

Judging from this recent thread, it seems that the answer is "it sort of
works":
http://tinyurl.com/22btmk
(http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/c39af977da48a677/)

-- F.

[Daniel Baird]

A few people have reported that TiddlyWiki works fine on an iPhone.
So that's nice for them.

There's no iPhone for Australia yet, so I'm still waiting to actually
see it for myself :)

Cheers
;Daniel

On 22/08/07, Gaijintendo <neilh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried testing TW on an iPhone?

> I have no intentions of buying such a device, but I love TW and would
> like to see the community grow.
>
>
> >
>

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Things That Suck)

[Saq Imtiaz]

On 8/22/07, Daniel Baird <danie...@gmail.com> wrote:

A few people have reported that TiddlyWiki works fine on an iPhone.
So that's nice for them.

There's no iPhone for Australia yet, so I'm still waiting to actually
see it for myself :)

No sympathy for you.... at least Australia has LemSip and Sudafed... yeah I'm still sore about that!!!!

Saq
 

Cheers
;Daniel



On 22/08/07, Gaijintendo <neilh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried testing TW on an iPhone?
> I have no intentions of buying such a device, but I love TW and would
> like to see the community grow.
>
>
> >
>


--
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http://tiddlyspot.com (free, effortless TiddlyWiki hosting)
http://danielbaird.com (TiddlyW;nks! :: Whiteboard Koala :: Blog ::
Things That Suck)

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LewcidTW ( http://tw.lewcid.org ) : a repository of extensions for TiddlyWiki

[schilke]

if Daniel doesn't mention it - I will instead.

Why everyone wants an iPhone? Have a look at that nice comparison with
an (old) Nokia:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

But besides the fact, that there are many mobiles out there, which can
at least beat the iPhone regarding its (poor) technical features,
there's even more to come: "OpenMoko is an Open Source project to
create the world's first free mobile phone operating system. The
OpenMoko project is a community that anyone can join, to help design
their ideal phone..."
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page

The development version of their first phone seems to be currently
shipped...

(and yes: Germany is also desperately waiting for that GSM MP3 Player
- and maybe I am totally wrong but I doubt it will be successful
here...)

[Jeremy Ruston]

I've had the chance to play with TiddlyWiki on an iPhone. It works as
a pretty perfect clone of the desktop Safari experience, with iPhone
pinch-zoom goodness to make it navigable on the tiny display. The
problems are:

- it takes ages to load; over EDGE it's excruciating, but even over
wifi you have to be pretty patient
- even once it's loaded, JavaScript intensive actions can be painfully
slow. For example, clicking on a tiddler link can take more than a
second to open the target tiddler
- it doesn't seem possible to load the TW file from a file:// URL;
therefore there is no obvious avenue to explore for saving changes
locally
- the desktop UI although usable doesn't really work well on the tiny
screen; built in iPhone apps like Mail show a more iPhone-native way
of accomplishing some of the same things

The planned stripping back of the core code should improve the
performance situation. It's possible that a solution to the saving
problem will come in the form of a native iPhone app that wraps WebKit
to provide a custom host for TiddlyWiki.

In the short term, I've started investigating a plugin to attack the
last problem, optimising the TiddlyWiki UI for the iPhone. (Inspired
by http://www.joehewitt.com/iui/)

Cheers

Jeremy
I've had a chance to tinker with a plugin that would make TW iPhone aware

--
Jeremy Ruston
mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com
http://www.tiddlywiki.com

[Florian Cauvin]

By the way, I reported in july
(http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_frm/thread/78300ad25d080642/9892faf620b6491f?lnk=gst&q=N95&rnum=1#9892faf620b6491f)
that TiddlyWiki works pretty well on Nokia N95 phone (and problably
other recent smartphones too)

Browser in Symbian series 60, 3rd edition is based on WebKit which is
the same engine than Safari uses.

[schilke]

those problems seem to result of the common plug & play thinking (no
offense but this is a useless idea from the beginning), besides the
fact that the providers (and Apple?) are fighting an even more useless
fight against customizable mobiles... hey, if I've paid for the
product: who owns it?

There's also some first spot on the above mentioned open source phone
- promising, but I suspect it to become more than experimental within
a year: "Open Moko + Neo 1973 - Hands On"
http://blog.eronj.com/2007/08/05/open-moko-neo-1973-hands-on/

[Paul Downey]

On 22 Aug 2007, at 14:53, schilke wrote:

> Why everyone wants an iPhone? Have a look at that nice comparison with
> an (old) Nokia:
> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

I guess it's a well known secret that most iPhone widgets
work in other browsers, including those on the Nokia.

Apple seem to be embracing Web Standards, which is all coolness
for a constrained TW for mobile devices in general, rather than
building one "best viewed in an iPhone":

http://www.w3.org/QA/2007/08/iphone_developer_guidelines_pr.html

Paul
--
http://blog.whatfettle.com

[schilke]

> - it doesn't seem possible to load the TW file from a file:// URL;
> therefore there is no obvious avenue to explore for saving changes
> locally

To be honest, I like the way the community reacts if it comes to such
restrictions: "How to Escape Jail"
http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/How_to_Escape_Jail

@Florian: yes, I remember - and I've heard it from other sources, too,
since then. I still don't get the hype around that iPhone (which
seemed to turn into sort of desperation in those countries who still
have to wait...)

schilke