Google Chrome status update, please
Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/
I want to make sure I am clear about the whole Google Chrome saving
and cookies issue. Here is my understanding of the present situation:
0. When a Windows user tries to save in Google Chrome or IE, s/he gets
a window saying that is not possible.
1. Google Chrome supports saving IF you also go get a Java Applet or
somesuch. (I did that, and it works). Great for TW veterans like me,
but for newbies...not so much.
2. Google Chrome also supports cookies if you use an "--enable-file-
cookies" command line flag (see disc here
http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/e8e5e37ba24fa53b
).
3. There was talk about changing things on the TiddlyWiki side and
making TW free from the need for cookies.
My questions:
1. Is this an accurate assessment as to the current state of the
discussion? and
2. Is something really being done about that eliminate-the-cookies
discussion? Or is it going to be on a perpetual backburner like the
plugin repository?
I for one want to register my desire to see TiddlyWiki get to the
point where it works on IE, Firefox and Chrome (not to mention other
browsers) without new users having to download applets or tweaking
their command lines, whatever those are. I know many people that
either wouldn't take the time to do something like that, or that would
refuse to do so because they don't know much about such things (I
don't either) and they fear that doing either of those things would
expose them to security risks.
Most of my efforts with TiddlyWiki in the past have been in the area
of making TW user-friendly for new people. My new No-Brainer Notes
adaptation is another, more recent foray into the same territory. But
I don't want to make NBN accessible from my website and talk about how
easy TW is to use if in reality just to use TW you have to take a
crash course in enabling Javascript and configuring browsers for
cookies.
I would love to hear your comments in this regard.
Dave
Jeremy Ruston
> a window saying that is not possible.
That's correct, unless the TiddlySaver.jar file is found in the same
folder as the TiddlyWiki HTML file.
> 1. Is this an accurate assessment as to the current state of the
> discussion? and
YES
> 2. Is something really being done about that eliminate-the-cookies
> discussion? Or is it going to be on a perpetual backburner like the
> plugin repository?
I'm just about to post a patch for consideration. It eliminates the
need for cookies entirely.
> I for one want to register my desire to see TiddlyWiki get to the
> point where it works on IE, Firefox and Chrome (not to mention other
> browsers) without new users having to download applets or tweaking
> their command lines, whatever those are. I know many people that
> either wouldn't take the time to do something like that, or that would
> refuse to do so because they don't know much about such things (I
> don't either) and they fear that doing either of those things would
> expose them to security risks.
I can't see a route for Chrome to be able to save changes from a
standalone TiddlyWiki without using TiddlySaver. jar.
It's not as bad a user experience as you might think; tw.com now
automatically offers a ZIP file that contains the empty.html file
along with TiddlySaver.jar. Users generally don't need to do anything
special.
But as I say, it behaves like this not because I want it to, but
because we can't see a better way to implement saving on Chrome.
Best wishes
Jeremy
> Most of my efforts with TiddlyWiki in the past have been in the area
> of making TW user-friendly for new people. My new No-Brainer Notes
> adaptation is another, more recent foray into the same territory. But
> I don't want to make NBN accessible from my website and talk about how
> easy TW is to use if in reality just to use TW you have to take a
> crash course in enabling Javascript and configuring browsers for
> cookies.
>
> I would love to hear your comments in this regard.
>
> Dave
>
> >
>
--
Jeremy Ruston
mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com
http://www.tiddlywiki.com
Jeremy Ruston
the fix necessary to get TiddlySaver working. You no longer need to
use the Chromium nightlies, instead just select "About Chrome" from
the options menu and choose to update.
Cheers
Jeremy
Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/
create a zip file with my adaptation plus the TiddlySaver.jar? I{ll
have to figure out how to do that, then. Thank you Jeremy. That
explanation helps. I wasn't aware of the zip on tw.com
Dave
Jeremy Ruston
> create a zip file with my adaptation plus the TiddlySaver.jar? I{ll
> have to figure out how to do that, then. Thank you Jeremy. That
> explanation helps. I wasn't aware of the zip on tw.com
Yup, that's right.
I did some experiments on embedding tiddlysaver.jar into the tw.html
file itself; you still need to right-click and save-as to get it on
the disk, but it means that at least everything can be crammed into a
single package:
http://autotiddlysaver.tiddlyspot.com/
Best wishes
Jeremy
FND
> [...] is it going to be on a perpetual backburner like the
> plugin repository?
Whoa, careful there!
While it's true that the plugin library is taking longer than
anticipated (for the record, that's because it turns out to be a really
complex system), that work has been out in the open, visible to anyone
following the Trac timeline (commit history), my Twitter stream, IRC
conversations or the occasional note in postings here on the TW groups.
In fact, you could take the bits in Subversion now to aggregate and
browse plugins from a large number of repositories. It's just not ready
yet to be used by the general population (I expect there to be an alpha
release soon though).
Of course anyone is more than welcome to contribute code in order to
speed up the progress.
Having said that, I could certainly do a better job of communicating the
progress on this project - but I don't like writing fuzzy posts, so I
generally choose to do actual coding instead.
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-- F.
Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/
the IRC conversations and don't follow your Twitter or the Trac
timeline, so unless it doesn't show up at the Google group I don't
hear about it. All I kew was that Saq said he was going to work on it
in the summer of 2007 (that comment inspired TiddlyVault as a stop-gap
measure in Sept 2007) and that there was sporadic discussion about it
here and in the Dev thread, which I only check too infrequently. Then
Saq seemed to drop off the radar completely from my perspective.
Nothing is happening at TiddlyThemes, TiddlySnip, Tiddly Education,
etc. So I didn't know if other projects were consuming everyone's time
or just what. So again, thanks for the update. Blessings
Dave