The Esso site for a heritage centre / visitors centre and plaza

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tara de buitlear

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Jan 25, 2007, 6:57:05 PM1/25/07
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Celebrate and Value our heritage - Use the Esso land to build a heritage centre / cafe and plaza for SDCC Region
 
One idea which we have thought very long and hard about to tackle the issue of usage and community benefit for this acquisition of this site by SDCC, is to build a visitors centre / muesum/cafe for SDCC region on this spot.
 
It would be the base for self guided heritage trails and a destination for tourists who currently stay in The Plaza and The Abberley, only to have to be bused out everyday due to a lack of tourist / cultural amenity in the locality.
 
It would also open the possibility to SDCC to achieve and enhance some of their own objectives under the masterplan for the county town and the historical core.
 
 
1. The Esso site itself was part of Archbishops garden and is therefore
of historical significance.

2. It's location is unique in size and position adjacient to the
historical core area
as it could easily benefit from the visual amenity
of The Priory buildings and lands and is accessible by foot and public
and private transport.

Its location beside the N81,  minutes away from the M50 and within
walking distance from the luas, both the planned metro routes,
and two
existing hotel as as well as two planned hotels makes it an ideal base
for a vistors centre with souveniere shops, café and perhaps an
exhibition / museum venue.
 
The location would promote modes of transport other than car given its proximity to the Luas and bus routes and local hotels.

3. The clear community benefits are,  it would provide local employment
and generate revenue while promoting Tallaght as a destination for
positive activities and tourism.
It would build on the positive PR the theatre, library and hospital and IT have begun in the '90's.

4. It is located close to many historical amenities across the SDCC region from
this location including St Maelruains, The Priory, Dodder valley,
Whitehall, Ballymount castle, Belgard castle, Kiltalawn house, Clondalkin tower, the hell
fire club, Lord Masseys, Kilkee house, Dodder Valley, Sean Walshe park etc.

5. It would provide a natural home for the heritage officer when
appointed and the existing conservation officer in SDCC.

6. It would also compliment SDCC's objective of increasing activity in
the village area by encouraging daytime activity other than just normal
residential activity.

7. It would also compliment SDCC's plan for the ZIP project to the
village and increase pedestrian traffic from The Square and environs to
the village area from recreational activity and tourism activity
. Thus
increasing passing supervision and pedestrian traffic in this entire
area.

8. There would be an opportunity to incorporate a plaza intio the
design of such as site which would enable SDCC to achieve its
objectives as cited in the masterplan of having squares and plazas in
the new town centre area
which could be used for markets and
exhibitions.
 
9. To preserve the historical area and the views of the protected structures St Maelruains and The Priory - an objective of the masterplan.
 
10. To increase street activity and help enhance the regeneration project for the village area.
 
11. Deliver on the objective in the 2004 - 2010 County Development plan in chapter 2 of creating a tourism trade in the region.
 
12. This use of the Esso land  would help rebalance the mix of development in the village area by creating a community and recreational amenity to counter the people intensive apartments complexes.
 
If you agree with this suggestion, please email tr...@googlegroups.com.
 
Le meas,
 
Tara

 
 


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David Hutchinson Edgar

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Jan 26, 2007, 7:20:05 PM1/26/07
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Tara has given an excellent summary of why the Esso site should be
developed as a heritage centre/visitor centre and not as another
oversized and bland block of apartments.

I want to add another consideration. A heritage/visitor centre will
work best if it is located in or beside the surviving heritage it
wants to promote (working as a professional historian, I have probably
visited more than my fair share of such centres!). There are very few,
if any, other suitable sites next to the heritage core in Tallaght
village that could be developed in this way. This site is ideally
placed to celebrate two huge aspects of Ireland's history, not just
Tallaght's: the Celtic monastic and the Norman-Irish. This is a chance
that may not come again.

The setting is important - take Dublinia in Dublin city centre for
example; it is greatly enhanced by the fact that it is right beside
Christchurch Cathedral in the heart of one fo the most historic areas
of the city. It wouldn't have nearly the same impact if it was
isolated among modern multi-storey apartments somehwere like the
docks.

We have an opportunity to create new amenities, greater diversity of
economic activity, new facilities for social, cultural, tourist,
educational use, and a way of showing off just a handful of Tallaght's
positives to the outside world. I want to see genuine development
here, with real pride in our past and real confidence in our future.
Somehow a few dozen more apartments doesn't inspire that sort of
feeling for me.

Let's keep the pressure on.

David

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tara de buitlear

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Jan 27, 2007, 6:50:47 AM1/27/07
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David, as an experienced historian, your professinal opinion and
advice should be taken on board and indeed embraced.

Tara

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MMC

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Jan 28, 2007, 11:41:55 AM1/28/07
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Hi,

I very much agree with the idea that a heritage centre/visitor centre/
plaza should be located on the Esso site for all the reasons that Tara
has outlined. Who would be responsible for making this happen and how
can we influence them to choose this option?

Who currently owns the Esso site - could they be prevailed upon to do
the right thing for the area - is there a possibility that the centre
could even be a privately owned venture with entrance charges, or a
state-private partnership?

Mary McColgan

Gerard Stockil

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Jan 28, 2007, 2:27:17 PM1/28/07
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I have asked someone who has dealt with a previous planning application to get the contact of the legal people who represent Esso.   If this is forthcoming, then TRCU could consider their own collective approach.  Will let you know if I get the name of the legal people representing Esso.

Best wishes
Gerry
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Gerard Stockil

tara de buitlear

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Jan 28, 2007, 2:40:35 PM1/28/07
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Great idea Mary and Gerry - could we address a letter to the address
used on the current planning application to speed things up?

It is the Development Dept in SDCC who act on behalf of the County
Manager to acquire and sell lands. The acquisition of this site is
totally possible and hinges on the appetite on both the councils and
the landowners side.

The site is still owned by Esso Ireland Ltd, and presumably they want
the highest price for it. It is a questin of how hard SDCC are
prepared to push to negotiate this purchase or before taking a CPO.

Personally I suspect the return will not be enough to tempt this
developer - tax incentives and apartments wil yield an immediate
return to him - a visitors centre is one with a slow return and which
is not driven by profit making alone.

Tara

On Jan 28, 7:27 pm, "Gerard Stockil" <gerard.stoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have asked someone who has dealt with a previous planning application to
> get the contact of the legal people who represent Esso. If this is
> forthcoming, then TRCU could consider their own collective approach. Will
> let you know if I get the name of the legal people representing Esso.
>
> Best wishes
> Gerry
>

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> > Hi,
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> > I very much agree with the idea that a heritage centre/visitor centre/
> > plaza should be located on the Esso site for all the reasons that Tara
> > has outlined. Who would be responsible for making this happen and how
> > can we influence them to choose this option?
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> > Who currently owns the Esso site - could they be prevailed upon to do
> > the right thing for the area - is there a possibility that the centre
> > could even be a privately owned venture with entrance charges, or a
> > state-private partnership?
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> > Mary McColgan--

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Gerard Stockil

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Jan 28, 2007, 3:13:55 PM1/28/07
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Hi David,
          The summary is excellent.   Would you consider amending it a tiny bit and placing it in as a planning objection, and quoting something from the masterplan in broad support of your argument.    There was such a rush to get objection in that the some of the really good reasons ( at least as they appear to me )  got left out, and you have listed really good reasons.     Fi you can find time , do decide to do an "incremental" objection , could you consider mentioning that the new Fruitfield development will keep the supply of apartments well above decrease that the Esso site community acquisition might produce.    

Thanks
Gerry
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