SysML use in construction industry?
Thomas Wingate
Do any of you know or have heard of SysML being used to model building systems
in the construction-industry (parametric building design, logistics/processes, etc)?
/Thomas Wingate
Tim Weilkiens
a useful way. Do you have more information about the project?
Tim
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Thomas Wingate
development in Scandinavia. It does seem to make a lot of sense, but
unfortunately limited in how much I can divulge..
/T
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> in the construction-industry (parametric building design, logistics/processes, etc)?
FYI According to the online poll results on SysML Forum (www.SysMLforum.com), which show responses to the question "Which industry/industries are you applying, or plan to apply, SysML modeling technologies?" the following industries rank at the top: 1) Aerospace & Defense (28%); 2) Information Technology (14%); 3 & 4) Automotive & Telecom (tied at 9%); and 5) Consumer Industries/Electronics (7%).
While this is an unscientific online poll, the results are consistent with my SysML experience and observations. For example, if you look at the composition of the SysML Partners (http://www.sysml.org/partners.htm), who defined the original SysML open source specification, you will find that aerospace/defense contractors dominate among the non-tool vendor participants
Although the Construction industry was not listed as a choice in the poll, Property was, and it ranked at the bottom with 0%. Of course, nothing that I have said here indicates that SysML cannot be applied effectively to Construction applications. However, there appears to be little evidence that this has happened yet in a significant and visible manner.
/Cris
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NEIL, Graeme
problem. The question is not whether SysML is applicable to the
Construction Industry because at some level it is.
I suspect that what you are asking is can you model the processes that
are used in the systems that are used both in the construction of a
building. The short answer is yes you can, but should you use SysMl or
indeed Structured Analysis techniques in truth that is a decision that
you as the designer must make. Only after you have gathered the needs
and requirements and undertaken some analysis can you choose which
modelling technique you should use.
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frank alvidrez
Here's a short analysis. First, let me say that I am an Aerospace kinda
guy. I have worked just about every aspect of it spending about 20 years in
the Skunkworks and beyond. I am also a Enterprise Architect and specialize
in interoperability and NetCentric Operations. Most recently I have been
helping out in Disaster Relief and Recovery as well. The answer to your
question is that no, I haven't heard of it being used yet and it's probably
because SysML spec has only been out about a year. Second part is most
definitely it can apply. Especially when the construction looks at the
larger "Enterprise" context which would apply to more than the construction
of the building itself but the infrastructure of the environment such as
urban planning, green enterprise application and those things that are
beyond cement and wires.
My first recommendation is to read Tim's book (System Engineering with
SysML/UML). If I was given the task of "parametric building design, etc.,",
I would view the task using Tim's SysMOD process. It's not an end all, but
it's a start. Secondly, I would look at some the advances in "Green
Enterprise Architecture". These are those initiatives that could be applied
to help the construction domain with the rapid advances of the green
enterprise. I think that it's very useful to view these things from the
domain of the customer that "wants to do the right thing" for the
environment. This is where the SysML modeling tools can help a bunch.
Anyway, just wanted to give you some thoughts.
Frank
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As illustrations, if you are conducting detailed building design as a complex system of systems, then that might be facilitated nicely by SysML. Logistics or other process modelling may most simply and cleanly be done using dedicated process notations such as IDEF, whereas the good old elevator control system design problem might best be done using Entity-Life Modelling, or a state-based method and notation.
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technologies?" the following industries rank at the top: 1) Aerospace &
Defense (28%); 2) Information Technology (14%); 3 & 4) Automotive &
Telecom (tied at 9%); and 5) Consumer Industries/Electronics (7%).
While this is an unscientific online poll, the results are consistent
with my SysML experience and observations. For example, if you look at
the composition of the SysML Partners
Alex Murray
I'm not at all familiar with the construction or civil engineering fields, and I wouldn't be surprised if this list is not exactly bristling with architects and civil engineers. But I've often wondered what kinds of techniques people in the industry use to plan and execute large buildings and other civil projects.
Surely architecture has well-developed design methods, including graphical languages, that long predate UML and SysML - it begs the question - what could SysML offer? Can you give us a sketch of how people in the field have do this in common practice now? Maybe there is an opportunity for applications of SysML.
-Alex
--- On Wed, 5/28/08, Thomas Wingate <tho...@wingate.se> wrote:
> From: Thomas Wingate <tho...@wingate.se>
> Subject: [SysML Forum] SysML use in construction industry?
ray
be a challenge. There are two links that may provide some support.
For civile work, there is:
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/cadiv/segb/index.htm
For naval (generic) systems, have a look at:
https://acc.dau.mil/CommunityBrowser.aspx?id=25837
While these do not address SysML directly, they do address the need
and use of graphical depiction of systems.
Ray
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