On May 3, 2008, at 11:46 AM, john nink wrote:
Brooks
On May 3, 2008, at 11:46 AM, john nink wrote:
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Would like to learn more about the refurbishing option.
Thanks
David
I paid $609.50 including return shipping and it is just like new. They
replaced the power switch but they fixed at least a couple of other things -
new drum and now no hum in the audio which I had been dealing with for
several years. This is quite a good program according to me!
I think that there is a flat-rate repair deal for just about every piece of
Sony gear. There is a different place to call for Pro & Pro-sumer. If you
call the wrong one, they will give you the right number.
STAN
If anyone is shooting with a small camcorder like the Canon HV20/30, check out this guy's gadget. It's a $200 35mm lens adapter that allows you to use standard 35mm lenses on small camcorders. Another factor to consider is that the images you get resemble those possible with a much larger CCD/CMOS sensor, such as that found in the RED camera, or a Sony F900. The depth of field is much narrower, giving you a great high-end look, with an HDV camcorder. BTW, I saw the HV30 for $409 bucks from a couple of web stores. Geeeezzzzzz. I'm not saying your video will look the same as something from a F900 or RED, but ya know..... There are caveats. The image is recorded flipped; inverted by 180 degrees. You have to flip it back to normal in post, or get an adapter that flips the image optically (expensive).Here's a link to a discussion forum that has the info.I think this gadget is very cool and cheap. There are others from companies like Red Rock Micro, or Letus, but they cost over $1,000. If cheap is what you need, with good quality video, this looks amazing. If anyone is already using one of these adapters, maybe you can share your experience with the group. I know many are looking to shoot 24p video with a film-like depth of field.
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My two cents again.
I am running from tape as fast as I can. I have had it with it personally.
But there are issues and it will be awhile before I can totally wean myself from it . The hassle that some have had downloading P2, etc.. The main issue that I have had is that the HDrive systems are far from perfected.
I have the Nnovia QC Deck for HDV and it is awesome…when it works. It is pretty much bang on when shooting SD, but not highdef. A lot of glitching so I always roll tape as backup for the time being. Then you also have the issue of the file conversion…a lot of HDrive recorders record a .m2t file or similar that you then have to convert via Mpegstreamclip or similar and add a step to your workflow.
If you go solid state or Hdrive recording…do your homework. It can definitely speed up workflow, but for now roll a tape for backup, as well. I have had several instances where the Hdrive system just recorded a still for the length of a shot or simply did not take the trigger from camera and did not even record the shot. I had my tape to go to for missing material.
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Subject: [SoFlaFCPUG] Re: 35mm
lens adapter for small camcorders
The HV 20 and 30 are practically identical. The main difference is that the HV30 is capable of recording in 30p mode and the HV 20 is not. I have no experience with flash/hard disk storage vs tape, so I cannot comment on that. Conceptually, however, I like the idea of a "file transfer" rather than real-time capturing. On the downside, backing up will consume time/hardware later, whereas tape is already your backup and requires no extra effort after the project is shot/edited/delivered.
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On May 4, 2008, at 7:30 AM, David Glassman wrote:
Which is the preferred camera, the Canon HV 20 or 30 for over all use. Which website have the best support and lowest prices. Does everyone still prefer tape? Thanks in advance, David M Glassman
On May 3, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Ren頂orroto wrote:
If anyone is shooting with a small camcorder like the Canon HV20/30, check out this guy's gadget. It's a $200 35mm lens adapter that allows you to use standard 35mm lenses on small camcorders. Another factor to consider is that the images you get resemble those possible with a much larger CCD/CMOS sensor, such as that found in the RED camera, or a Sony F900. The depth of field is much narrower, giving you a great high-end look, with an HDV camcorder. BTW, I saw the HV30 for $409 bucks from a couple of web stores. Geeeezzzzzz. I'm not saying your video will look the same as something from a F900 or RED, but ya know..... There are caveats. The image is recorded flipped; inverted by 180 degrees. You have to flip it back to normal in post, or get an adapter that flips the image optically (expensive).
Here's a link to a discussion forum that has the info.
I think this gadget is very cool and cheap. There are others from companies like Red Rock Micro, or Letus, but they cost over $1,000. If cheap is what you need, with good quality video, this looks amazing. If anyone is already using one of these adapters, maybe you can share your experience with the group. I know many are looking to shoot 24p video with a film-like depth of field.
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Hey Rene(how do you get that little accent)…lol,
Again…my two cents worth…lol,
Hmmmm…tape wrinkles, clogged heads, boxes and walls full of “archive tape” that have to stay at a specific temperature rather than a few hard drives or DVD’s for backup/archive…formats that come and go and make your archive obsolete…recording delays…humidity…slack…broken tape…I mean really you don’t have to think real hard about it to know the frustrations with tape. I have been in this industry since two inch tape and I have seen it all believe me…for me…tapeless is the way to go.
It is not the format SD or HD…it is definitely the medium. And with my goals of in the next year going to true hd and not hdv…it is even more important. Like I said…we are not there yet…but I for one will cheer the day when I don’t have to swap tape in a long recording situation or use multiple decks for overlap or iso records.
I was a major proponent of non-linear at its infancy when a lot of people fought the innovation and change…and I am the same with tapeless. The sooner we can get rid of tape…the better I will be…some may not like it, but I would venture the majority will embrace it…some not until they do not have a choice, but they will embrace it.
The major issue is what we have faced with any new medium or acquisition or posting process…getting everyone on the same page and weeding out the strangeness of everyone pursuing their proprietary aspects at the expense of their consumers. It will take time to “standardize” so that the masses and cross-platform users are not hand-tied when they purchase a certain brand of tapeless gear.
What I find with my projects is that tapeless always saves me time…I don’t have to log or pre-log tapes…I have random/instant access to clips. I don’t “off-line” anything anymore…I just jump into cutting it together and laying out my timelines. I don’t have to digitize…there by saving funds on decks and wasting that time. I do have to convert clips to useable formats which honestly is rather quick…but some of us on this list do the same even after digitizing to get the format or aspect we want. I do on rare occasion have to go to my tape backup because a clip was missing or corrupted in some manner, but that goes back to perfecting the medium. I definitely get longer record times. And as to backing up data…don’t most of us have automated systems where you do that anyway? Set it do to it over night while you are at home eating dinner and you don’t even notice it and it does not take time out of your work day.
And if you want to look at investment…just yesterday I did a shoot in a horribly filthy environment with tape-based Panny 900s and the rental guys are spending all day to day cleaning their gear out…if it was solid state, blue ray, or hdrive recording…the gear is a lot less prone to dirt and temperature issues.
Like I said…for me…tapeless will be a blessing. Once perfected…it will solve a lot of issues. David wanted some opinions on his original post…so I put in my two cents worth.
All media degrades over time, and Hard drives are not perfect yet. So,
power them up at least once a year and format them once every two or
three. RAID-1 systems will avoid you a lot of headaches. Change your
laptop hard drive at least every 3 years, and even sooner if you used P2P
software or Skype during the last year.
This, until Flash Media is cheap enough to get rid of all those
magneto-mechanic time bombs.
cheers!
Carlos "El Loco" Bedoya
South Beach Studios
Miami Beach, FL
"It's not a joke. It's a rope, Tuco"
Blondie
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Same goes for self-powered Firewire/USB drives. They are just Laptop
drives on an enclosure, so you better treat them gently and use them only
as transfer/backup solutions. They are not intended for hard work.
Best regards,

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