text editors

[Chris Stromberger]

This is perhaps a mundane question, but what do you hand-coders like to use for editing your html and css?  I'm in the market for a decent text editor (Windows).  I currently use the freeware Crimson Editor.  It's not bad, but it crashes on occasion, which gets annoying.  The feature I most need is the ability to edit remote files.  Crimson does this via built-in ftp.  That's about the only requirement I have beyond basic syntax highlighting.  Perhaps there are other features (like auto-complete or something) that I'm missing out on by using the relatively bare-bones Crimson...

Anyway, just looking for some suggestions.  Does not have to be freeware.

Thanks,
Chris
http://auslunch.com/

[Rich Vázquez]

Before going to Mac (TextMate) I used UltraEdit for many, many years

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[Kimberly Paternoster]

I've been using Visual Studio for years, and I personally love it.

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[Justin Perkins]

TextMate (Mac) all the way. I believe there is a Windows-version
nowadays, but am not sure.

This could be it: http://www.e-texteditor.com/

-justin

[Paul Menard]

I use mostly TextMate but also own BBEdit since it support SFTP which I need daily.

I was also a longtime UltraEdit user before I migrated to OSX. One good note about TextMate is they have ported this to Windows http://www.e-texteditor.com/ It supports the same bundle packages as it's OS X cousin. Bad news is if you purchase the OS X license you will still have to purchase a license for the windows editor. 

P-

Paul Menard

pa...@codehooligans.com

http://codehooligans.com

[Ryan Joy]

I use Crimson on my Windows machine and Textmate on the Mac. I love
crimson because it's tiny and has a good regex engine. It's only ever
crashed on me when I attempt search/replace operations on 7k+ line
files. I just wish development on it weren't languishing.

My coworker used to use PSPad and it supports editing remote files.

-RYAN JOY
http://atxryan.com

[Pat Ramsey]

I've used Crimson before on Windows. When I'm on that platform, I
usually use Notepad ++. What I'd like is something on Windows that
works as easily as TextWrangler on the Mac.

Pat

On Feb 18, 2008 11:58 AM, Ryan Joy <atx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I use Crimson on my Windows machine and Textmate on the Mac. I love
> crimson because it's tiny and has a good regex engine. It's only ever
> crashed on me when I attempt search/replace operations on 7k+ line
> files. I just wish development on it weren't languishing.
>
> My coworker used to use PSPad and it supports editing remote files.
>
> -RYAN JOY
> http://atxryan.com
>

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[Chris Stromberger]

Crimson only crashes for me during remote file saves, but it happens very often.  One other thing that Crimson does not do well is handle Python multi-line (triple-quoted) strings.  The syntax highlighting goes all wonky. 

I just installed PSPad and it looks promising.  It does correctly handle the Python triple-quoted strings.

Going to play with Textmate also.

Thanks for all the good suggestions!

-Chris
http://auslunch.com/

On Feb 18, 2008 11:58 AM, Ryan Joy <atx...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Dominic J. Eidson]

What does it say about me, that I still use vi?

:)

- d.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Chris Stromberger wrote:

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> To: Refresh...@googlegroups.com
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[Holly Fortenberry]

Not sure if it handles remote editing (I think it can), but when I was
using Windows, I loved HTMLKit! I was so disappointed to find it wasn't
available for Mac. I has lots of extensions so you can probably figure
out how to do anything you want. I would definitely use that if
possible. It's free and it has a good support community. It sorta
reminds me of the Firefox community. Since I switched to Mac OS X, I've
been using TextMate for editing and Transmit for ftp (and CSSEdit) and
have been very happy.

Also, I think Amara (http://www.w3.org/Amaya/) offers remote editing.
...I just took a look and it appears as if Amara has recently updated so
I think I'll check it out again myself.

Holly

[Holly Fortenberry]

Oops...I meant to say below "Amaya" (not "Amara"... Amara is our adoption agency.)

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[Marla Erwin]

I'm a BBEdit user on the Mac but when in Windows I use Notepad++ which, as the name implies, is just Notepad on steroids. Free.

[Jon Lebkowsky]

I've been using Homesite 5.5 forever, it seems. It's a very clean environment, has a system of color coding for html, php, etc. I don't think it's been updated in 3-4 years, certainly not since Adobe acquired Macromedia.

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[Amy Gelfand]

I have always used HomeSite 5+ on Windows. (When I had a Mac, I used BBEdit, but that was a long time ago.) Simple, nice color coding of tags, and you can add handy little time-saving tool bars with a little JavaScript magic.
 

Amy Gelfand
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http://www.amygelfand.com
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From: Chris Stromberger <chris.st...@gmail.com>
To: Refresh...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:49:10 AM
Subject: [Refresh Austin: 2404] text editors

This is perhaps a mundane question, but what do you hand-coders like to use for editing your html and css?  I'm in the market for a decent text editor (Windows).  I currently use the freeware Crimson Editor.  It's not bad, but it crashes on occasion, which gets annoying.  The feature I most need is the ability to edit remote files.  Crimson does this via built-in ftp.  That's about the only requirement I have beyond basic syntax highlighting.  Perhaps there are other features (like auto-complete or something) that I'm missing out on by using the relatively bare-bones Crimson...

Anyway, just looking for some suggestions.  Does not have to be freeware.

Thanks,
Chris
http://auslunch.com/

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[Patrick Fox]

Definitely check out e-texteditor - essentially TextMate for Windows.
It's best features are how customizable it is, and it's ability to use
TextMate bundles. It's available for $30 or so.

Aptana(http://aptana.com/studio) is by far my favorite
text-editor/IDE. It's free, based on the open-source Eclipse IDE, and
has such features as type-ahead, built-in FTP, and is expandable with
a variety of plug-ins.

Patrick

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[Luis Torres]

There are probably enough suggestions now but I wanna put my vote for Edit Plus... with Ultra Edit as a close second.

Edit plus has always been incredibly stable for me  =)

Luis

[Robin S]

For CSS, I have been using TopStyle for years. It is a dedicated CSS
editor and has a number of nice features, including a handy list of
all id's & classes for easy navigation, site reports, syntax flagging,
and a preview with firefox-like inspection. You can set a target css
level and/or browser and it will flag properties in your css that are
not supported at that level. It also handles color fairly nicely- you
can set up a palette of colors, or can dial up/down luminosity on a
hex value.

http://www.newsgator.com/Individuals/TopStyle/Default.aspx
(sorry, windows only)

--Robin

On Feb 18, 11:49 am, "Chris Stromberger" <chris.stromber...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is perhaps a mundane question, but what do you hand-coders like to use
> for editing your html and css?

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[mcoker]

On Feb 18, 2008 1:03 PM, Dominic J. Eidson <dom...@the-infinite.org> wrote:
> What does it say about me, that I still use vi?

That you need to upgrade to vim!! :-P
I'm in the same boat. I used TextMate and Coda for a while, but I'm
just much more efficient in vi.
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michael

[sam foster]

I was also a long-time Homesite user - still am occasionally. Also ultraedit - a great tool, but it misses the mark if you're just doing html & css.
I'd suggest looking at Komodo Edit(1) (free) - it has good syntax highlighting, code folding and a lot of the things that are invaluable for markup editing.

Sam

1. Komodo Edit - http://www.activestate.com/Products/komodo_edit/
Not to be condused with their IDE product - which is also very nice but not free.

[Chris Cage]

Ok, this is sort of a branch on this thread, Sam’s “code folding” mention made me think of it…

 

Do any of these editors that have been mentioned have a feature for “browsing” through the comments in a file? Does anyone know of any editor that does this?

 

I have found myself on many occasions trying to get through a large CSS file and wishing I could use the comments to quickly jump to a specific section. If I was dreaming, I would like to see a separate palette/window that showed me all of the comments in the file and let me click on them like bookmarks.

 

Chris

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:15 PM
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[Alex Jones]

Textmate (OS X) allows you to do this. I think it may be part of a bundle, but I use it to keep track of ToDos and other information that I add in comments. most IDEs (IntelliJ, Visual Studio, Eclipse) I've seen provide this capability, though I'm not sure how many HTML editors follow the practice.

Alex Jones

www.SilverSpider.com

On Feb 19, 2008, at 2/19/08, 2:28 PM, Chris Cage wrote:

Ok, this is sort of a branch on this thread, Sam’s “code folding” mention made me think of it…

 

Do any of these editors that have been mentioned have a feature for “browsing” through the comments in a file? Does anyone know of any editor that does this?

 

I have found myself on many occasions trying to get through a large CSS file and wishing I could use the comments to quickly jump to a specific section. If I was dreaming, I would like to see a separate palette/window that showed me all of the comments in the file and let me click on them like bookmarks.

 

Chris

 

From: Refresh...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Refresh...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of sam foster
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:15 PM
To: Refresh...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Refresh Austin: 2428] Re: text editors

 

I was also a long-time Homesite user - still am occasionally. Also ultraedit - a great tool, but it misses the mark if you're just doing html & css. 
I'd suggest looking at Komodo Edit(1) (free) - it has good syntax highlighting, code folding and a lot of the things that are invaluable for markup editing. 

Sam

1. Komodo Edit -http://www.activestate.com/Products/komodo_edit/

[Holly Fortenberry]

CSSEdit is not a text editor so I don't know how interested you are, but I recommend using it for CSS.  Among other great features, it has a panel along the left that lists all of the selectors so you can scroll up and down this short list, pick your selector and jump down into the code easily.  It's much faster than scrolling through the entire CSS file.

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[Jay R]

UltraEdit is good for opening really huge binary files as text files and letting you hack them. 
 
I extracted a bunch of audio samples from Tomb Raider .dat files this way. 

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Subject: [Refresh Austin: 2428] Re: text editors

[Marla Erwin]

Chris, on the Windows side Notepad++ lets you add bookmarks to any text file, including CSS, and jump from one to the next. It's not automatic (you have to manually set the bookmark, rather than querying for =comment), but might do for your needs.

Marla

[Bert Grantges]

I am going to throw my hat in here as well - I have been using PSPad for years and find it a very powerful / stable environment. Its plugin possibilities are very robust, although the community isn't that huge there are still quite a few. Also, it handles remote editing very well which should meet your needs.

It has some nice features that i rely on quite a bit like macros and templates and handles a ton of different language highlighting.

Bert

[Chris Stromberger]

I'll have to say that so far I'm impressed with PSPad, which I just
downloaded yesterday based on comments here. I like it much better
than my reliable old Crimson Editor so far. Has some nice features
absent from Crimson, like the Code Explorer, which is great for
jumping around code--C++, Python etc. Very nice.

Thanks,
Chris
http://auslunch.com/

On Feb 19, 2008 5:32 PM, Bert Grantges <be...@grantges.com> wrote:
>
> I am going to throw my hat in here as well - I have been using PSPad for
> years and find it a very powerful / stable environment. Its plugin
> possibilities are very robust, although the community isn't that huge there
> are still quite a few. Also, it handles remote editing very well which
> should meet your needs.
>
> It has some nice features that i rely on quite a bit like macros and
> templates and handles a ton of different language highlighting.
>
> Bert
>
>
>
> Marla Erwin wrote:
> Chris, on the Windows side Notepad++ lets you add bookmarks to any text
> file, including CSS, and jump from one to the next. It's not automatic (you
> have to manually set the bookmark, rather than querying for =comment), but
> might do for your needs.
>
> Marla
>
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2008 2:28 PM, Chris Cage <cwc...@onr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, this is sort of a branch on this thread, Sam's "code folding" mention

> made me think of it...

[Brian Massey]

FWIW:

http://mashable.com/2008/02/20/text-editors-online/

Anyone remember Kedit? I also use Crimson. Dreamweaver satisfies with
a good regular experession capability.

Brian Massey

On Feb 18, 11:49 am, "Chris Stromberger" <chris.stromber...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> This is perhaps a mundane question, but what do you hand-coders like to use

[Christian McDonald]

I've be reading these posts as I too have moved to an XP box from a
mac where I adored BBEdit. I've tried JEdit (slow) HTML-Kit, and E,
which I was real excited about as everyone compared to TextEdit,which
had garnered high praise.

There are a couple of tasks in formatting HTML that I just can't find
with HTML-Kit and E

* Highlight a multiple lines of text and convert it to an unordered
list. HTML-Kit will turn a single line into a single li item, but not
a batch of them at once. (BBEdit would also put in the ul tags)
* Heck ... highlight any text and put it into a task, using a command-
key (instead of a menu item.) Maybe I just haven't found the menu
equivalents in HTML-Kit. And I can't find any to put text in a <p>
tag.
* Another great one BBEdit does is take tabbed text (like from an
Excel spreadsheet) and convert to Table. I don't do that much anymore,
but it's darn cool.

On E I just downloaded it an maybe I need to explore for snippets,
helpers on wrapping text in html entities and the like. I like the
search and replace, but that's about the only thing I've done cool
with it.

[sam foster]

Is there a code explorer / outline view for TextMate that I'm missing (for javascript primarily)?
IntelliJ does a really nice job of this for js - it'll show you not only the functions. but objects/propertes too - really helps you get around a large file quickly. Even ultraedit (not a big fancy IDE) has a good-mostly function list

Sam

[David Hayes]

Hey y'all,

I've included a screenshot of TextMate's code explorer tab. It's on
the bottom, right-hand side of the main window.

- David

[sam foster]

cool thanks. Who'd have thunk (I mean apart from those who've read the manual)
I dont much like the UI for this feature, but this is much better than using find.

[Trevor Rosen]

Hi All,
I moved away from Austin to take a job in DC last August, and I've
been missing Refresh Austin ever since. Once you leave ATX, you
realize just how great the web/info design scene is there, and you
want to get back. Badly.

Up here in the cold, Mexican-food-deprived mid-Atlantic, I lead a
Rails team working on web-services platforms for clients in the
political (Democratic), non-profit, and broadcasting sectors. I spend
a lot of time doing management stuff and living in OmniGraffle, but I
still get to code a few days a week as well, so I'm happy. Lately
been doing a lot of ExtJS coding in addition to Ruby/Rails and regular
old XHTML/CSS, and really loving it. My editor of choice is TextMate,
which I will happily evangelize about at length to anyone who'll
listen. TM bundles I use constantly include HTML Liquid (sandboxed
Rails templating in use on the Mephisto CMS), the TODO one Alex has
already mentioned, JavaScript Lint (automatic JS syntax checking), and
RSpec (Test-Driven Design framework for Ruby/Rails). I also can't live
without CSS Edit and Fireworks.

Employment-wise, I've been on the crew at UT, ran web operations for
the Kinky Friedman campaign, did some time at Tocquigny, and ran a
tiny little freelance operation out of my beloved crackerbox rent
house in north Hyde Park.

I'm looking forward to getting back to Austin for SxSW and seeing a
lot of old friends on this list. There's a Refresh here in DC, but
it's nothing like the one in Austin.

Anyway -- that's an intro. Hope to meet all of you in a couple weeks!

-Trevor Rosen

[David Hayes]

Yeah, I agree... I'm a huge TextMate fan but that navigation feature
was hidden from me for quite a while, stuck there at the bottom. I
tend to use the Command-Shift-T shortcut more these days.

[Alex Jones]

On Feb 25, 2008, at 2/25/08, 10:16 PM, Trevor Rosen wrote:
> I'm looking forward to getting back to Austin for SxSW and seeing a
> lot of old friends on this list. There's a Refresh here in DC, but
> it's nothing like the one in Austin.

We look forward to seeing you back in Austin Trevor! Will you be
joining us at the Refresh gathering on Friday (lunch) and/or at the
Refresh Austin Party at PhizzPop (Monday night)?

Reminder to everyone else, add these events to your calendar:

Refresh Lunch: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/434522/
Refresh Austin Party: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/420692/

Cheers,

Alex Jones
www.SilverSpider.com

[Trevor Rosen]

Yeah I'll make it to at least the lunch -- possibly the party as well.

-TR

[Christian Watson]

I use Dreamweaver, but Notepad++ is a great alternative.

[Erik Pearson]

For what it's worth, I've used TextPad (http://www.textpad.com) on
Windows for years. On Linux, I use vi.

[Nathan Biles]

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Nathan Biles

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[Warren]

Eclipse is a great opensource freeware IDE and in many ways comparable to Visual Studio. I tend to use both depending on which debugger I want access to.  There are various plugins you can get to do remote updates or the JSEclipse plugin for Javascript stuff.

Eclipse has native CVS support and Subversion support via the Subclipse plugin .

Though Visual Studio isn't free, the Express Editions are, which I find are quite easy to use to debug Javascript running on IE. I should probably checkout how much progress they've made with Venkman on the Firefox debugger end.

http:/www.eclipse.org/
http://www.aptana.com/
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/jseclipse/
http://subclipse.tigris.org/
http://www.microsoft.com/express/

If you want a minimalist or small footprint, the recommendations for TextPad and Notepad++ are great, though TextPad isn't free. Personally, after harnessing the power of IDEs it's hard for me to go back to just a "text editor". Another thing I consider, is how much development is going into maintaining these products. If it's only being maintained by one person or a very small team with very infrequent updates, I tend to not rely on those products given how rapidly things change in our industry. I've gotten accustomed to various editors in the past only to have them discontinued or rendered obsolete due to lack of updates.

--
Warren Chu

[Ryan Joy]

Warren wrote:
> I should probably checkout how much progress they've made with
> Venkman on the Firefox debugger end.

Venkman is practically dead. From its ashes (and by ashes I mean
phenomenal Javascript Debugging API built into Firefox initially to
support Venkman), Firebug rose.

Firebug reigns supreme.

-RYAN JOY
http://atxryan.com

[Innertee.com]

Hey all,

Small World Labs is looking for a great web designer with some experience in social media and user interface design. If anyone is interested I'd be glad to provide more details. Email me at ms...@smallworldlabs.com.

Also, as an FYI - we're hosting a panel at SXSW Interactive about community management and have a great lineup so if you're interested please join us on Sat at 11:30AM.

Thanks,
Miles

[Warren]

I forgot about Firebug. I actually had it installed once but Firefox got corrupted and I forgot to download it again. I'll have to give that a whirl.

--
Warren

[Alex Jones]

Firebug is the one thing I truly miss on Safari, and the only reason I tend to open up Firefox on the Mac (Firefox is still my main browser on my work PC).

Beyond the JavaScript debugging, Firebug is amazingly useful for tracking down issues with CSS and understanding the document structure. Plus you can use it to quickly check out how a CSS change would impact the layout without updating the source of the site.

Alex Jones

www.SilverSpider.com

[sam foster]

/me tries to imagine a world without firebug and shudders....

[Ryan Joy]

On Feb 29, 10:42 am, "sam foster" <potatosculp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> /me tries to imagine a world without firebug and shudders....

Don't you mean 'remember' the world without firebug? I still remember
2006. :-)

-RYAN

[Warren Chu]

IE Developer Toolbar has similar features for looking into CSS and DOM items. I really like it's ability to select an item on a rendered page and show what style is doing what. You can click on the attribute and find which style defines it.

 

From the sounds of it I'll need to acquaint myself with Firebug when testing stuff in Firefox which has primarily been for personal projects.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Alex Jones <al...@silverspider.com> wrote:

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Warren

[Mike Cravey]

Not to be the Firebug evangelist, but I am a huge fan of it. I run both toolbars myself, and I have found it will do everything the IE Dev Toolbar will do and then some. It will specifically do the things you are discussing about selecting something in the page or in the DOM and give you all sorts style information including cascading styles or computed styles.

It also has a nice JS debugging with logging, break points, a console to type in new commands, etc. I recommend watching the tutorial vids. They are a bit long but absolutely worth it.

http://getfirebug.com/docs.html

Also, hi. I am still trying to delurk. One of these days I will show up at a meeting of some sort.

~mike

[Grant Hutchins]

You can also install Microsoft Script Debugger at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2f465be0-94fd-4569-b3c4-dffdf19ccd99&DisplayLang=en to catch Javascript errors and figure out where they came from in IE. The page claims that it is deprecated but doesn't explain what that's supposed to mean to me, and it still works fine.

And as for an IE Javascript Console, I've been quite pleased with this IE Javascript Shell bookmarklet http://blog.monstuff.com/archives/000287.html

Grant

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[Andy Couch]

For more advanced IE JavaScript debugging, there's Visual Web Developer 2008 Express Edition.   It's a free download and has the same debugger as the expensive and bloated Visual Studio.  The only main difference is that VWD can't listen to already running instances of IE, but you can launch a new instance from inside VWD and debug away.   And as with Firebug, you can use the 'debugger' keyword to trigger the debugger to run without actually throwing an error.

Also, another add-on for IE that can be handy is DebugBar, but I haven't successfully gotten it to play well with IE7, but works great in IE6.