This is a bit off-topic, but anyway....While surfing on youtube, I
found a clip with an Israeli song that I really enjoy, "Nitzotz
Ha'ahava" ("Spark of love"):
Here is a 'live' version with "ethnic rock" singer Ehud Banai (from a
Persian Jewish family) performing the song with Arab Israeli artists,
half in Hebrew and half in Arabic:
How interesting -- I also listened carefully to the Kazantizidis
version and was struck by the "quaver" in the vocals -- which, after
listening to a lot of Persian music lately, sounds reminiscent of that
Iranian vocal style. I haven't heard that much in laika or demotika
before. so maybe ehud's and stelio's versions came from a similar
root! thanks for posting the youtube clips everybody - I miss Greece
so much and its fun to see Greek tv music programs!
On Jul 2, 4:08 pm, "eva.bro...@gmail.com" <eva.bro...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> This is a bit off-topic, but anyway....While surfing on youtube, I
> found a clip with an Israeli song that I really enjoy, "Nitzotz
> Ha'ahava" ("Spark of love"):
> Here is a 'live' version with "ethnic rock" singer Ehud Banai (from a
> Persian Jewish family) performing the song with Arab Israeli artists,
> half in Hebrew and half in Arabic:
Actually, Ehud Banai is more of a rock singer, in the Vassilis
Papakonstantinou style, if you know him. The Middle Eastern/Persian
influences are only discernible in some of his songs. There are many
other Israeli singers, however, who have the characteristic Middle
Eastern "quaver" (in Hebrew they call it "silsul"). Kazantzidis'
characteristic laika style has been an inspiration for many Israeli
artists, and there are many Hebrew-language covers of his songs. The
most famous is "Elinor", a cover of "Iparcho", which reputedly has
sold more than a half a million copies in Israel. It was first
recorded by legendary singer Zohar Argov, here in a performance at a
Bar Mitzvah ("coming of age") celebration:
I tried to find a youtube video with Israeli artists singing in
Persian (there are a few), but I couldn't find any. Here is a nice
clip with two of Israel's IMHO finest vocalists singing in Turkish:
> How interesting -- I also listened carefully to the Kazantizidis
> version and was struck by the "quaver" in the vocals -- which, after
> listening to a lot of Persian music lately, sounds reminiscent of that
> Iranian vocal style. I haven't heard that much in laika or demotika
> before. so maybe ehud's and stelio's versions came from a similar
> root! thanks for posting the youtube clips everybody - I miss Greece
> so much and its fun to see Greek tv music programs!
> On Jul 2, 4:08 pm, "eva.bro...@gmail.com" <eva.bro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > This is a bit off-topic, but anyway....While surfing on youtube, I
> > found a clip with an Israeli song that I really enjoy, "Nitzotz
> > Ha'ahava" ("Spark of love"):
> > Here is a 'live' version with "ethnic rock" singer Ehud Banai (from a
> > Persian Jewish family) performing the song with Arab Israeli artists,
> > half in Hebrew and half in Arabic:
The quavery voice of Kazantzidis and the other Pontian in the video is
characteristic of Pontos only, in no other part of the greek speaking
world does this technique exist. In his commercial life Kazantzidis
never applied this technique.
The ornamental melismatics common in practically all traditional
singing techniques in Greek demotiko / traditional song is different.
It is not a vibrato but a quick up / down in the scale. Unfortunately
I have not much experience with Persian music to be able to say if
there are resemblances to the pontian style.
On Jul 4, 11:13 pm, "eva.bro...@gmail.com" <eva.bro...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Actually, Ehud Banai is more of a rock singer, in the Vassilis
> Papakonstantinou style, if you know him. The Middle Eastern/Persian
> influences are only discernible in some of his songs. There are many
> other Israeli singers, however, who have the characteristic Middle
> Eastern "quaver" (in Hebrew they call it "silsul"). Kazantzidis'
> characteristic laika style has been an inspiration for many Israeli
> artists, and there are many Hebrew-language covers of his songs. The
> most famous is "Elinor", a cover of "Iparcho", which reputedly has
> sold more than a half a million copies in Israel. It was first
> recorded by legendary singer Zohar Argov, here in a performance at a
> Bar Mitzvah ("coming of age") celebration:
> I tried to find a youtube video with Israeli artists singing in
> Persian (there are a few), but I couldn't find any. Here is a nice
> clip with two of Israel's IMHO finest vocalists singing in Turkish:
> On 4 Juli, 14:59, hennadervish <dervi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > How interesting -- I also listened carefully to the Kazantizidis
> > version and was struck by the "quaver" in the vocals -- which, after
> > listening to a lot of Persian music lately, sounds reminiscent of that
> > Iranian vocal style. I haven't heard that much in laika or demotika
> > before. so maybe ehud's and stelio's versions came from a similar
> > root! thanks for posting the youtube clips everybody - I miss Greece
> > so much and its fun to see Greek tv music programs!
> > > This is a bit off-topic, but anyway....While surfing on youtube, I
> > > found a clip with an Israeli song that I really enjoy, "Nitzotz
> > > Ha'ahava" ("Spark of love"):
> > > Here is a 'live' version with "ethnic rock" singer Ehud Banai (from a
> > > Persian Jewish family) performing the song with Arab Israeli artists,
> > > half in Hebrew and half in Arabic:
The ornamental melismatics common in practically all traditional
> singing techniques in Greek demotiko / traditional song is different.
> It is not a vibrato but a quick up / down in the scale. Unfortunately
> I have not much experience with Persian music to be able to say if
> there are resemblances to the pontian style.
This is what I meant by "silsul", which in an Israeli context roughly
denotes a kind of vocal ornamention typical of singers with a Middle
Eastern background. You're right that Kazantzidis' usual "laika"
singing style is different from his performances of "pontiaka". Here
are some samples of Persian popular music, by a singer who also
happens to live in Israel (Hezi Fanian):
> The quavery voice of Kazantzidis and the other Pontian in the video is
> characteristic of Pontos only, in no other part of the greek speaking
> world does this technique exist. In his commercial life Kazantzidis
> never applied this technique.
> On Jul 4, 11:13 pm, "eva.bro...@gmail.com" <eva.bro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi hennadervish,
> > Actually, Ehud Banai is more of a rock singer, in the Vassilis
> > Papakonstantinou style, if you know him. The Middle Eastern/Persian
> > influences are only discernible in some of his songs. There are many
> > other Israeli singers, however, who have the characteristic Middle
> > Eastern "quaver" (in Hebrew they call it "silsul"). Kazantzidis'
> > characteristic laika style has been an inspiration for many Israeli
> > artists, and there are many Hebrew-language covers of his songs. The
> > most famous is "Elinor", a cover of "Iparcho", which reputedly has
> > sold more than a half a million copies in Israel. It was first
> > recorded by legendary singer Zohar Argov, here in a performance at a
> > Bar Mitzvah ("coming of age") celebration:
> > I tried to find a youtube video with Israeli artists singing in
> > Persian (there are a few), but I couldn't find any. Here is a nice
> > clip with two of Israel's IMHO finest vocalists singing in Turkish:
> > On 4 Juli, 14:59, hennadervish <dervi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > How interesting -- I also listened carefully to the Kazantizidis
> > > version and was struck by the "quaver" in the vocals -- which, after
> > > listening to a lot of Persian music lately, sounds reminiscent of that
> > > Iranian vocal style. I haven't heard that much in laika or demotika
> > > before. so maybe ehud's and stelio's versions came from a similar
> > > root! thanks for posting the youtube clips everybody - I miss Greece
> > > so much and its fun to see Greek tv music programs!
> > > > This is a bit off-topic, but anyway....While surfing on youtube, I
> > > > found a clip with an Israeli song that I really enjoy, "Nitzotz
> > > > Ha'ahava" ("Spark of love"):
> > > > Here is a 'live' version with "ethnic rock" singer Ehud Banai (from a
> > > > Persian Jewish family) performing the song with Arab Israeli artists,
> > > > half in Hebrew and half in Arabic:
> > > > I thought it was neat to see how this Pontic song has travelled all
> > > > the way to the Middle East, and ended up in a Hebrew-Arabic version!
Eva I don't know if I chose wrongly but it all seems skylladika to
me. I 'm afraid one cannot tell anything about a traditional music he
is not familiar with, by listening to contemporary commercial stuff.
Never mind, I have listened to traditional persian music from old
vynil records, it is different from the fasil type turkish music but
still well within the general concept.
On Jul 5, 7:06 pm, "eva.bro...@gmail.com" <eva.bro...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The ornamental melismatics common in practically all traditional
> > singing techniques in Greek demotiko / traditional song is different.
> > It is not a vibrato but a quick up / down in the scale. Unfortunately
> > I have not much experience with Persian music to be able to say if
> > there are resemblances to the pontian style.
> This is what I meant by "silsul", which in an Israeli context roughly
> denotes a kind of vocal ornamention typical of singers with a Middle
> Eastern background. You're right that Kazantzidis' usual "laika"
> singing style is different from his performances of "pontiaka". Here
> are some samples of Persian popular music, by a singer who also
> happens to live in Israel (Hezi Fanian):
> On 5 Juli, 13:56, "Nikos A. Politis" <nika...@otenet.gr> wrote:
> > The quavery voice of Kazantzidis and the other Pontian in the video is
> > characteristic of Pontos only, in no other part of the greek speaking
> > world does this technique exist. In his commercial life Kazantzidis
> > never applied this technique.
> > > Actually, Ehud Banai is more of a rock singer, in the Vassilis
> > > Papakonstantinou style, if you know him. The Middle Eastern/Persian
> > > influences are only discernible in some of his songs. There are many
> > > other Israeli singers, however, who have the characteristic Middle
> > > Eastern "quaver" (in Hebrew they call it "silsul"). Kazantzidis'
> > > characteristic laika style has been an inspiration for many Israeli
> > > artists, and there are many Hebrew-language covers of his songs. The
> > > most famous is "Elinor", a cover of "Iparcho", which reputedly has
> > > sold more than a half a million copies in Israel. It was first
> > > recorded by legendary singer Zohar Argov, here in a performance at a
> > > Bar Mitzvah ("coming of age") celebration:
> > > I tried to find a youtube video with Israeli artists singing in
> > > Persian (there are a few), but I couldn't find any. Here is a nice
> > > clip with two of Israel's IMHO finest vocalists singing in Turkish:
> > > On 4 Juli, 14:59, hennadervish <dervi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > How interesting -- I also listened carefully to the Kazantizidis
> > > > version and was struck by the "quaver" in the vocals -- which, after
> > > > listening to a lot of Persian music lately, sounds reminiscent of that
> > > > Iranian vocal style. I haven't heard that much in laika or demotika
> > > > before. so maybe ehud's and stelio's versions came from a similar
> > > > root! thanks for posting the youtube clips everybody - I miss Greece
> > > > so much and its fun to see Greek tv music programs!
> > > > > This is a bit off-topic, but anyway....While surfing on youtube, I
> > > > > found a clip with an Israeli song that I really enjoy, "Nitzotz
> > > > > Ha'ahava" ("Spark of love"):
> > > > > Here is a 'live' version with "ethnic rock" singer Ehud Banai (from a
> > > > > Persian Jewish family) performing the song with Arab Israeli artists,
> > > > > half in Hebrew and half in Arabic:
> > > > > I thought it was neat to see how this Pontic song has travelled all
> > > > > the way to the Middle East, and ended up in a Hebrew-Arabic version!
> > > > > Apologies if I have already posted this!
> > > > > Best, Eva- Dölj citerad text -
> > > > - Visa citerad text -- Dölj citerad text -
The last one is not traditional, but a 70's song by a hugely popular
singer, Dariush. My homesick Iranian refugee friends used to play it
all the time when I got to know them in the 80's:
> Eva I don't know if I chose wrongly but it all seems skylladika to
> me. I 'm afraid one cannot tell anything about a traditional music he
> is not familiar with, by listening to contemporary commercial stuff.
> Never mind, I have listened to traditional persian music from old
> vynil records, it is different from the fasil type turkish music but
> still well within the general concept.
> On Jul 5, 7:06 pm, "eva.bro...@gmail.com" <eva.bro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Nikos,
> > The ornamental melismatics common in practically all traditional
> > > singing techniques in Greek demotiko / traditional song is different.
> > > It is not a vibrato but a quick up / down in the scale. Unfortunately
> > > I have not much experience with Persian music to be able to say if
> > > there are resemblances to the pontian style.
> > This is what I meant by "silsul", which in an Israeli context roughly
> > denotes a kind of vocal ornamention typical of singers with a Middle
> > Eastern background. You're right that Kazantzidis' usual "laika"
> > singing style is different from his performances of "pontiaka". Here
> > are some samples of Persian popular music, by a singer who also
> > happens to live in Israel (Hezi Fanian):
> > On 5 Juli, 13:56, "Nikos A. Politis" <nika...@otenet.gr> wrote:
> > > The quavery voice of Kazantzidis and the other Pontian in the video is
> > > characteristic of Pontos only, in no other part of the greek speaking
> > > world does this technique exist. In his commercial life Kazantzidis
> > > never applied this technique.
> > > > Actually, Ehud Banai is more of a rock singer, in the Vassilis
> > > > Papakonstantinou style, if you know him. The Middle Eastern/Persian
> > > > influences are only discernible in some of his songs. There are many
> > > > other Israeli singers, however, who have the characteristic Middle
> > > > Eastern "quaver" (in Hebrew they call it "silsul"). Kazantzidis'
> > > > characteristic laika style has been an inspiration for many Israeli
> > > > artists, and there are many Hebrew-language covers of his songs. The
> > > > most famous is "Elinor", a cover of "Iparcho", which reputedly has
> > > > sold more than a half a million copies in Israel. It was first
> > > > recorded by legendary singer Zohar Argov, here in a performance at a
> > > > Bar Mitzvah ("coming of age") celebration:
> > > > I tried to find a youtube video with Israeli artists singing in
> > > > Persian (there are a few), but I couldn't find any. Here is a nice
> > > > clip with two of Israel's IMHO finest vocalists singing in Turkish:
> > > > > How interesting -- I also listened carefully to the Kazantizidis
> > > > > version and was struck by the "quaver" in the vocals -- which, after
> > > > > listening to a lot of Persian music lately, sounds reminiscent of that
> > > > > Iranian vocal style. I haven't heard that much in laika or demotika
> > > > > before. so maybe ehud's and stelio's versions came from a similar
> > > > > root! thanks for posting the youtube clips everybody - I miss Greece
> > > > > so much and its fun to see Greek tv music programs!
> > > > > > This is a bit off-topic, but anyway....While surfing on youtube, I
> > > > > > found a clip with an Israeli song that I really enjoy, "Nitzotz
> > > > > > Ha'ahava" ("Spark of love"):
> > > > > > Here is a 'live' version with "ethnic rock" singer Ehud Banai (from a
> > > > > > Persian Jewish family) performing the song with Arab Israeli artists,
> > > > > > half in Hebrew and half in Arabic:
> > > > > > I thought it was neat to see how this Pontic song has travelled all
> > > > > > the way to the Middle East, and ended up in a Hebrew-Arabic version!
> > > > > > Apologies if I have already posted this!
> > > > > > Best, Eva- Dölj citerad text -
> > > > > - Visa citerad text -- Dölj citerad text -
Yes Eva, the three first videos are exactly on the lines I know of
persian music. I didn't notice anything similar to the pontic vibrato
we have been talking about.
On Jul 12, 6:34 pm, "eva.bro...@gmail.com" <eva.bro...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The last one is not traditional, but a 70's song by a hugely popular
> singer, Dariush. My homesick Iranian refugee friends used to play it
> all the time when I got to know them in the 80's:
> On Jul 5, 11:22 pm, "Nikos A. Politis" <nika...@otenet.gr> wrote:
> > Eva I don't know if I chose wrongly but it all seems skylladika to
> > me. I 'm afraid one cannot tell anything about a traditional music he
> > is not familiar with, by listening to contemporary commercial stuff.
> > Never mind, I have listened to traditional persian music from old
> > vynil records, it is different from the fasil type turkish music but
> > still well within the general concept.
> > > The ornamental melismatics common in practically all traditional
> > > > singing techniques in Greek demotiko / traditional song is different.
> > > > It is not a vibrato but a quick up / down in the scale. Unfortunately
> > > > I have not much experience with Persian music to be able to say if
> > > > there are resemblances to the pontian style.
> > > This is what I meant by "silsul", which in an Israeli context roughly
> > > denotes a kind of vocal ornamention typical of singers with a Middle
> > > Eastern background. You're right that Kazantzidis' usual "laika"
> > > singing style is different from his performances of "pontiaka". Here
> > > are some samples of Persian popular music, by a singer who also
> > > happens to live in Israel (Hezi Fanian):
> > > On 5 Juli, 13:56, "Nikos A. Politis" <nika...@otenet.gr> wrote:
> > > > The quavery voice of Kazantzidis and the other Pontian in the video is
> > > > characteristic of Pontos only, in no other part of the greek speaking
> > > > world does this technique exist. In his commercial life Kazantzidis
> > > > never applied this technique.
> > > > > Actually, Ehud Banai is more of a rock singer, in the Vassilis
> > > > > Papakonstantinou style, if you know him. The Middle Eastern/Persian
> > > > > influences are only discernible in some of his songs. There are many
> > > > > other Israeli singers, however, who have the characteristic Middle
> > > > > Eastern "quaver" (in Hebrew they call it "silsul"). Kazantzidis'
> > > > > characteristic laika style has been an inspiration for many Israeli
> > > > > artists, and there are many Hebrew-language covers of his songs. The
> > > > > most famous is "Elinor", a cover of "Iparcho", which reputedly has
> > > > > sold more than a half a million copies in Israel. It was first
> > > > > recorded by legendary singer Zohar Argov, here in a performance at a
> > > > > Bar Mitzvah ("coming of age") celebration:
