Fauzia Wahab's statment on Constitution and Quran
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sahir geo
May 23, 2010, 9:56:22 AM5/23/10
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Dear all
The statment of PPP woman politician Fauzia Wahab on Constitution and Quran has stired a new debate in Pakistan not only from religious circles but also from the lawyers.
Bellow is the statment of Fauzia Wahab (i am quoting the Geo.tv report bellow)
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan People's Party (PPP) Central Information Secretary Fauzia Wahab ‘revealed’ that there was no constitution in the era ruled by Hazrat Omar (R.A), as there was only Holy Quran.
Talking to a private TV channel in a program convened on the immunity enjoyed by President Asif Ali Zardari, she added that the then court subpoenaed Hazrat Omar for having no constitution; but, today’s judiciary could not call President Asif Ali Zardari thanks to the presence of the Constitution now.
She said that President Asif Zardari had the immunity in accordance with the International Convention and no case could be reopened against him.
The Central Information Secretary said that the ministers of PPP in the meeting showed their solidarity with President Asif Ali Zardari.
The other participants including Ansar Abbasi and Ahsan Iqbal lambasted the statement by Wahab and held it in conflict with the Islamic teaching.
Ansar Abbasi said the PPP leader hurt the sentiments of the Muslim, adding the Supreme Court (SC) annulled the immunity wielded by Former President Gen (rtd) Pervez Musharraf under Article-248 of the Constitution in its verdict regarding the reinstatement of Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Muhammed Chaudhry on July 20, 2007 and in a detailed verdict in December 2009.
During hearing of this case, former president of Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) Aitezaz Ahsan said if Hazrat Omar could be called and Hamid Khan reinforced by saying he could appear 11 times before court, how come Musharraf could have this indemnity.
Responding this point, Fauzia said, ‘There was no Constitution in his (Omar’s) time. Only, there was the Holy Quran,’ addressing the participants to accordingly refrain from citing his (Omar’s) incident as an example in this era.
Wahab added, ‘President Zardari is not an ordinary citizen, as immunities are given to him. If he is not accorded the immunities, he cannot function.’
Ahsan Iqbal said Hazrat Omar made appearance before court, the very fact told that there was Islamic jurisprudence then, as it existed in every era, adding that even today, Britain has no written constitution; they have a Jurisprudence and conduct themselves in accordance with it.
-- Talking to a private TV channel in a program convened on the immunity enjoyed by President Asif Ali Zardari, she added that the then court subpoenaed Hazrat Omar for having no constitution; but, today’s judiciary could not call President Asif Ali Zardari thanks to the presence of the Constitution now.
She said that President Asif Zardari had the immunity in accordance with the International Convention and no case could be reopened against him.
The Central Information Secretary said that the ministers of PPP in the meeting showed their solidarity with President Asif Ali Zardari.
The other participants including Ansar Abbasi and Ahsan Iqbal lambasted the statement by Wahab and held it in conflict with the Islamic teaching.
Ansar Abbasi said the PPP leader hurt the sentiments of the Muslim, adding the Supreme Court (SC) annulled the immunity wielded by Former President Gen (rtd) Pervez Musharraf under Article-248 of the Constitution in its verdict regarding the reinstatement of Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Muhammed Chaudhry on July 20, 2007 and in a detailed verdict in December 2009.
During hearing of this case, former president of Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) Aitezaz Ahsan said if Hazrat Omar could be called and Hamid Khan reinforced by saying he could appear 11 times before court, how come Musharraf could have this indemnity.
Responding this point, Fauzia said, ‘There was no Constitution in his (Omar’s) time. Only, there was the Holy Quran,’ addressing the participants to accordingly refrain from citing his (Omar’s) incident as an example in this era.
Wahab added, ‘President Zardari is not an ordinary citizen, as immunities are given to him. If he is not accorded the immunities, he cannot function.’
Ahsan Iqbal said Hazrat Omar made appearance before court, the very fact told that there was Islamic jurisprudence then, as it existed in every era, adding that even today, Britain has no written constitution; they have a Jurisprudence and conduct themselves in accordance with it.
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javed hussain
May 23, 2010, 12:01:04 PM5/23/10
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Some day we need to stop scoring political mileage in the name of Islam. Pakistan’s problem is not Islam; it is these fanatical half wits who exploit Islam for their personal gains. What Fauzia Wahab has said is a historical truth and nothing else. If Pakistan does not want to accord constitutional immunity to its president then Parliament should amend the constitution. It cannot be done away because some Sheikh, some Saddiqi, some Abbasi, some Bokhari or some other similar kind says so.
Quran considers Fitna worse than a murder. Pakistan is an organised society and its unifying force is its constitution. Some semi literate should not disrespect the constitution. There is nothing in the Quran that is un-islamic. Our constitution holds together and Islamic nation where other nationalities are also living peacefully with full religious, political and social rights.
Islam is not a static religion. It provides answers to all the evolving questions and can face all emerging challenges. Mullah is not getting along with Islam. He wants to turn the tide of time full circle back and wants to live in the past. Pristine glory of Islam is not in its past; it is in its present and future. Islamic past is to be respected and lessons are to be learnt for the present and the future.
To read between the lines so that some laboured arguments can be constructed only to defame a person is a highly dishonest and irreligious act. These so called champions of Islam do a great disservice to Islam itself by invoking Islamic principles for petty gains.
Dr Syed Javed
Javed Afridi
May 23, 2010, 1:21:10 PM5/23/10
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Respected Dr Javed, from where did you get this notion of Quran becoming a history and the constitution of Pakistan replacing the same.
sir, your sacred constitution guarantees that no clause is against the essence of islam.
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> *Bellow is the statment of Fauzia Wahab (i am quoting the Geo.tv report
> bellow)*
> http://www.geo.tv/5-23-2010/65433.htm
>
> ISLAMABAD: *Pakistan People's Party (PPP) Central Information Secretary
> *Ansar Abbasi said the PPP leader hurt the sentiments of the Muslim,
sir, your sacred constitution guarantees that no clause is against the essence of islam.
Sent from Nokia phone
> bellow)*
> http://www.geo.tv/5-23-2010/65433.htm
>
> ISLAMABAD: *Pakistan People's Party (PPP) Central Information Secretary
> Fauzia Wahab ‘revealed’ that there was no constitution in the era ruled by
> Hazrat Omar (R.A), as there was only Holy Quran.
>
> Talking to a private TV channel in a program convened on the immunity
> enjoyed by President Asif Ali Zardari, she added that the then court
> subpoenaed Hazrat Omar for having no constitution; but, today’s judiciary
> could not call President Asif Ali Zardari thanks to the presence of the
> Constitution now.
>
> She said that President Asif Zardari had the immunity in accordance with
> the International Convention and no case could be reopened against him.
>
> The Central Information Secretary said that the ministers of PPP in the
> meeting showed their solidarity with President Asif Ali Zardari.
>
> The other participants including Ansar Abbasi and Ahsan Iqbal lambasted the
> statement by Wahab and held it in conflict with the Islamic teaching.
> *
> Hazrat Omar (R.A), as there was only Holy Quran.
>
> Talking to a private TV channel in a program convened on the immunity
> enjoyed by President Asif Ali Zardari, she added that the then court
> subpoenaed Hazrat Omar for having no constitution; but, today’s judiciary
> could not call President Asif Ali Zardari thanks to the presence of the
> Constitution now.
>
> She said that President Asif Zardari had the immunity in accordance with
> the International Convention and no case could be reopened against him.
>
> The Central Information Secretary said that the ministers of PPP in the
> meeting showed their solidarity with President Asif Ali Zardari.
>
> The other participants including Ansar Abbasi and Ahsan Iqbal lambasted the
> statement by Wahab and held it in conflict with the Islamic teaching.
> *Ansar Abbasi said the PPP leader hurt the sentiments of the Muslim,
> adding the Supreme Court (SC) annulled the immunity wielded by Former
> President Gen (rtd) Pervez Musharraf under Article-248 of the Constitution
> in its verdict regarding the reinstatement of Chief Justice of Pakistan
> Justice Iftikhar Muhammed Chaudhry on July 20, 2007 and in a detailed
> verdict in December 2009.
> *
> President Gen (rtd) Pervez Musharraf under Article-248 of the Constitution
> in its verdict regarding the reinstatement of Chief Justice of Pakistan
> Justice Iftikhar Muhammed Chaudhry on July 20, 2007 and in a detailed
> verdict in December 2009.
> During hearing of this case, former president of Supreme Court Bar
> Association (SCBA) Aitezaz Ahsan said if Hazrat Omar could be called and
> Hamid Khan reinforced by saying he could appear 11 times before court, how
> come Musharraf could have this indemnity.
>
> Responding this point, Fauzia said, ‘There was no Constitution in his
> (Omar’s) time. Only, there was the Holy Quran,’ addressing the participants
> to accordingly refrain from citing his (Omar’s) incident as an example in
> this era.
>
> Wahab added, ‘President Zardari is not an ordinary citizen, as immunities
> are given to him. If he is not accorded the immunities, he cannot function.’
>
> Ahsan Iqbal said Hazrat Omar made appearance before court, the very fact
> told that there was Islamic jurisprudence then, as it existed in every era,
> adding that even today, Britain has no written constitution; they have a
> Jurisprudence and conduct themselves in accordance with it.
>
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> Association (SCBA) Aitezaz Ahsan said if Hazrat Omar could be called and
> Hamid Khan reinforced by saying he could appear 11 times before court, how
> come Musharraf could have this indemnity.
>
> Responding this point, Fauzia said, ‘There was no Constitution in his
> (Omar’s) time. Only, there was the Holy Quran,’ addressing the participants
> to accordingly refrain from citing his (Omar’s) incident as an example in
> this era.
>
> Wahab added, ‘President Zardari is not an ordinary citizen, as immunities
> are given to him. If he is not accorded the immunities, he cannot function.’
>
> Ahsan Iqbal said Hazrat Omar made appearance before court, the very fact
> told that there was Islamic jurisprudence then, as it existed in every era,
> adding that even today, Britain has no written constitution; they have a
> Jurisprudence and conduct themselves in accordance with it.
>
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May 23, 2010, 6:33:33 PM5/23/10
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In my pint of view Quran and Sunnah and the acts of Sahab Karam are sacred than any thing so we should follow them.
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May 23, 2010, 1:40:23 PM5/23/10
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Dear all,
I agree with Dr.Javed that constitution should be amended to abolish the clause that provides immunity to the President.
All those politicians who are talking against the President should bring an amendment in the parliament for the said purpose.
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Mateen Haider
Dawn News,Islamabad
I agree with Dr.Javed that constitution should be amended to abolish the clause that provides immunity to the President.
All those politicians who are talking against the President should bring an amendment in the parliament for the said purpose.
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Mateen Haider
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javed hussain
May 23, 2010, 3:06:29 PM5/23/10
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Dear Afridi,
This is the problem with a mindset. Who said that the Quran is a history? The Quran is a 'living' book and will remain living and relevant to all times till the judgement day. Mullah and their fanatical followers are not the only believers in Pakistan. Pl understand the agenda of the enemies of Islam and Pakistan.
According to the teachings of the Quran we should be very careful in our conduct so that we do not disrupt an Islamic society.
Some so-called Islamists even among Journalists while talking about people in authority simply forget that they are also Muslims and they may have fear of God in them. They paint them as mere devils out there to destroy the country.
We will have to shun this extremism so that the society is provided an opportunity to flourish on normal lines. It is so boring to hear the same thing over and over again in a TV programme in the name of freedom of speech. It is an insult to people in total disregard to common sense.
In the small chequered history of Pakistan two groups have destroyed Pakistan: overambitious generals and fanatical, halfwit Islamists.
This is the problem with a mindset. Who said that the Quran is a history? The Quran is a 'living' book and will remain living and relevant to all times till the judgement day. Mullah and their fanatical followers are not the only believers in Pakistan. Pl understand the agenda of the enemies of Islam and Pakistan.
According to the teachings of the Quran we should be very careful in our conduct so that we do not disrupt an Islamic society.
Some so-called Islamists even among Journalists while talking about people in authority simply forget that they are also Muslims and they may have fear of God in them. They paint them as mere devils out there to destroy the country.
We will have to shun this extremism so that the society is provided an opportunity to flourish on normal lines. It is so boring to hear the same thing over and over again in a TV programme in the name of freedom of speech. It is an insult to people in total disregard to common sense.
In the small chequered history of Pakistan two groups have destroyed Pakistan: overambitious generals and fanatical, halfwit Islamists.
javed hussain
May 23, 2010, 3:27:48 PM5/23/10
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Dear Zulfiqar Ali,
Kindly don't expect me to talk against Pakistan Army. I love Pak Army and am proud of this institution. I, however, hate over ambitious generals who have shown total disregard to civilian authority at times when country needed it most. In principal I cannot accept any military rule at any cost.
Country does not have legs and it won't run away. These Islamists and other halfwits who promote 'Army Rule' so that country is saved from any impending disaster are buffoons and should be cut to size by the civil society through democratic means.
It is not a promotion but for once kindly log on to www.ambassadorsofislam.org to know my views on a lot of other issues.
regds
Dr Syed Javed
Kindly don't expect me to talk against Pakistan Army. I love Pak Army and am proud of this institution. I, however, hate over ambitious generals who have shown total disregard to civilian authority at times when country needed it most. In principal I cannot accept any military rule at any cost.
Country does not have legs and it won't run away. These Islamists and other halfwits who promote 'Army Rule' so that country is saved from any impending disaster are buffoons and should be cut to size by the civil society through democratic means.
It is not a promotion but for once kindly log on to www.ambassadorsofislam.org to know my views on a lot of other issues.
regds
Dr Syed Javed
sarmad bashir
May 23, 2010, 3:42:15 PM5/23/10
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Dear all
Fauzia wahab seemed to have walked into the trap laid by fanatics like ansar abbasi et al. She should have avoided getting into any controversy over caliph omar's voluntary appearance before the court. But she was right in that President asif zardari enjoys immunity under the Constitution. The political orphans who want him to be tried in the NRO case should first try to muster enough support in the parliament to repeal article 248 of the constitution. Judicial activism is a curse and we all need to condemn it.
Sarmad bashir
President lahore press club
Fauzia wahab seemed to have walked into the trap laid by fanatics like ansar abbasi et al. She should have avoided getting into any controversy over caliph omar's voluntary appearance before the court. But she was right in that President asif zardari enjoys immunity under the Constitution. The political orphans who want him to be tried in the NRO case should first try to muster enough support in the parliament to repeal article 248 of the constitution. Judicial activism is a curse and we all need to condemn it.
Sarmad bashir
President lahore press club
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Habib Akram
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the question here should be what type on immunity a president can enjoy? Is it only for the functions he performs as the President? Or is it foe his individual actions as person? For instance a president can not be held accountable for not meeting/not meeting a president of any other country. But at the same time if he kills someone without a lawful reason, he may be called to a court of law or not. According to some president can be impeached but not sentenced. Regards --- original message --- From: "zulfiqar ali" <ali...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Fauzia Wahab's statment on Constitution and Quran Date: 24th May 2010 Time: 12:12:42 am
Amir Ali Tayyab
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Salam everyone,
Fauzia has raised a very interesting point. There is no immunity toward law given to any ruler in Quran or Hadith. Hence if there is any such immunity given in constitution (of Pakistan) to anyone (including President), that is void as per its own founding statement i.e.
"There will be no rule or law made against the injuctions of of Quran and Hadith".
And in my humble opinion, I agree with Fauzia. Unless constituional amendment is brought forward and such an immunity is nullified or declared void by Parliament, nobody can bring any ruler including Zardari (the current President of Pakistan) to justice. And that is truly a sad fact. Unfortunately, all Government funds since the inception of Pakistan meant towards bringing the colonial era rules, procedures and laws towards Islamic ones, are going wasted. There should be serious intellectual research conducted in this regard.
Jazak Allah,
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I think we dont have to discuss this issue of (Hazrat Umer) with reference to Fouzia Wahab because she has not any political acumen. She always gives
this type of lose statements which should not come in to discussion of you type of people. Fouzia Wahab is Sec info of PPP which does not increase her
position but decreases position of this designation. Kindly discuss immunity issue without reference of Fouzia Wahab because this is serious issue.
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May 24, 2010, 2:16:55 AM5/24/10
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AsalamO Aalaikum
Dear Fellows
The statement of Fouzia Wahab is the series of the acts done by non muslims who are trying to malign Islam. Such kind of people are the agents of non believers in Pakistan who are trying to complete foreign agenda. All of Pakistanis should now understand that why fouzia wahab gave the statement just after facebook controversy.President of Pakistan has already given the statements that primises are not the the Quarn ar Hadiths so every one should clear that and know about the reality of these so called leaders of PPP.Fouzia Wahab should apoligise to Muslims on her staements and such elements should not be given a chance to represent a nation.
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Fawad Hussain
May 24, 2010, 2:41:35 AM5/24/10
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Dear All; Ref Ms Fouzia Wahab Statement in legal terms Constitution of the Country reflects the collective thoughts of the people of that Country expressed through the wisdom of its chosen representatives. In Pakistan collective thinking of the people of Pakistan as expressed in the constitution demonstrate that people of Pakistan have chosen to limit their sovereignty within the limits prescribed by Holy Quran and Sunnah. So Art 2-A read with other Islamic provisions clearly says that chosen representatives shall legislate only within the boundaries prescribed by Allah. Now here we may have a query who has the power to interpret or define the term 'Limits prescribed by Allah"? For examle Parliamentary system is Islamic or unislamic even State is an Islamic concept or not? Banking is Hilal or Haram and so on; answer to this query is that the interpretation and definition of Islam is sole prerogative Chosen representative(s) of People only they have the right to define the limits and this principle is recognized by SC in Hakim Khan case (PLD 1992 SC 595).
Here comes another theoretical preposition what if People of Pakistan take a decision to become a secular state and withdraw the limits prescribed on the chosen representatives to legislate within the boundaries prescribed by Islam. Again my Answer is yes people of Pakistan can surely decide and implement their will through their representatives. We have seen this transformation in west where people of Europe tranformed their concept of sovereignty and religious domination has eclipsed.
I hope this note will add a little in this otherwise superb talk that is going on.
Fawad Chaudhry
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 06:56:22 -0700
Subject: Fauzia Wahab's statment on Constitution and Quran
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Here comes another theoretical preposition what if People of Pakistan take a decision to become a secular state and withdraw the limits prescribed on the chosen representatives to legislate within the boundaries prescribed by Islam. Again my Answer is yes people of Pakistan can surely decide and implement their will through their representatives. We have seen this transformation in west where people of Europe tranformed their concept of sovereignty and religious domination has eclipsed.
I hope this note will add a little in this otherwise superb talk that is going on.
Fawad Chaudhry
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 06:56:22 -0700
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tariq afaq
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Dear All, President Zardari is not superior than Hazrat Umer razi Allah un ho,if he appeared a court many often,then no exemption should be provided to Mr Zardari,Fouzia Wahab is unaware of Islamic teaching as well as islamic history.Even constitution guarantees that no clause is against the essence of islam and islam does not allow any person to have exemption or have special powers to reduce or repeal punishments awarded by courts to any person. --- On Mon, 5/24/10, saim...@gmail.com <saim...@gmail.com> wrote: |
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Ghafar Ali Khan
May 24, 2010, 7:19:10 AM5/24/10
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Mr Chaudhry
You mean that Pakistanis have their colletive wisdom in the shape of Fauzia and the like.
I think here constitution is formed/amende within the limits prescribed by some invidual military and civilian dictators and within the limits prescribed by Quran.
How may of the present lot in the parliament qualify the standard set by the Holy Quran for Public representative.
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Dear all
The statment of PPP woman politician Fauzia Wahab on Constitution and Quran has stired a new debate in Pakistan not only from religious circles but also from the lawyers.
Talking to a private TV channel in a program convened on the immunity enjoyed by President Asif Ali Zardari, she added that the then court subpoenaed Hazrat Omar for having no constitution; but, today's judiciary could not call President Asif Ali Zardari thanks to the presence of the Constitution now.
She said that President Asif Zardari had the immunity in accordance with the International Convention and no case could be reopened against him.
The Central Information Secretary said that the ministers of PPP in the meeting showed their solidarity with President Asif Ali Zardari.
The other participants including Ansar Abbasi and Ahsan Iqbal lambasted the statement by Wahab and held it in conflict with the Islamic teaching.
You mean that Pakistanis have their colletive wisdom in the shape of Fauzia and the like.
I think here constitution is formed/amende within the limits prescribed by some invidual military and civilian dictators and within the limits prescribed by Quran.
How may of the present lot in the parliament qualify the standard set by the Holy Quran for Public representative.
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Dear All; Ref Ms Fouzia Wahab Statement in legal terms Constitution of the Country reflects the collective thoughts of the people of that Country expressed through the wisdom of its chosen representatives. In Pakistan collective thinking of the people of Pakistan as expressed in the constitution demonstrate that people of Pakistan have chosen to limit their sovereignty within the limits prescribed by Holy Quran and Sunnah. So Art 2-A read with other Islamic provisions clearly says that chosen representatives shall legislate only within the boundaries prescribed by Allah. Now here we may have a query who has the power to interpret or define the term 'Limits prescribed by Allah"? For examle Parliamentary system is Islamic or unislamic even State is an Islamic concept or not? Banking is Hilal or Haram and so on; answer to this query is that the interpretation and definition of Islam is sole prerogative Chosen representative(s) of People only they have the right to define the limits and this principle is recognized by SC in Hakim Khan case (PLD 1992 SC 595).
Here comes another theoretical preposition what if People of Pakistan take a decision to become a secular state and withdraw the limits prescribed on the chosen representatives to legislate within the boundaries prescribed by Islam. Again my Answer is yes people of Pakistan can surely decide and implement their will through their representatives. We have seen this transformation in west where people of Europe tranformed their concept of sovereignty and religious domination has eclipsed.
I hope this note will add a little in this otherwise superb talk that is going on.
Fawad Chaudhry
(Advocate)
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Here comes another theoretical preposition what if People of Pakistan take a decision to become a secular state and withdraw the limits prescribed on the chosen representatives to legislate within the boundaries prescribed by Islam. Again my Answer is yes people of Pakistan can surely decide and implement their will through their representatives. We have seen this transformation in west where people of Europe tranformed their concept of sovereignty and religious domination has eclipsed.
I hope this note will add a little in this otherwise superb talk that is going on.
Fawad Chaudhry
(Advocate)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 06:56:22 -0700
Subject: Fauzia Wahab's statment on Constitution and Quran
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Dear all
The statment of PPP woman politician Fauzia Wahab on Constitution and Quran has stired a new debate in Pakistan not only from religious circles but also from the lawyers.
Bellow is the statment of Fauzia Wahab (i am quoting the Geo.tv report bellow)
http://www.geo.tv/5-23-2010/65433.htm
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan People's Party (PPP) Central Information Secretary Fauzia Wahab 'revealed' that there was no constitution in the era ruled by Hazrat Omar (R.A), as there was only Holy Quran.
http://www.geo.tv/5-23-2010/65433.htm
Talking to a private TV channel in a program convened on the immunity enjoyed by President Asif Ali Zardari, she added that the then court subpoenaed Hazrat Omar for having no constitution; but, today's judiciary could not call President Asif Ali Zardari thanks to the presence of the Constitution now.
She said that President Asif Zardari had the immunity in accordance with the International Convention and no case could be reopened against him.
The Central Information Secretary said that the ministers of PPP in the meeting showed their solidarity with President Asif Ali Zardari.
The other participants including Ansar Abbasi and Ahsan Iqbal lambasted the statement by Wahab and held it in conflict with the Islamic teaching.
Ansar Abbasi said the PPP leader hurt the sentiments of the Muslim, adding the Supreme Court (SC) annulled the immunity wielded by Former President Gen (rtd) Pervez Musharraf under Article-248 of the Constitution in its verdict regarding the reinstatement of Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Muhammed Chaudhry on July 20, 2007 and in a detailed verdict in December 2009.
During hearing of this case, former president of Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) Aitezaz Ahsan said if Hazrat Omar could be called and Hamid Khan reinforced by saying he could appear 11 times before court, how come Musharraf could have this indemnity.
Responding this point, Fauzia said, 'There was no Constitution in his (Omar's) time. Only, there was the Holy Quran,' addressing the participants to accordingly refrain from citing his (Omar's) incident as an example in this era.
Wahab added, 'President Zardari is not an ordinary citizen, as immunities are given to him. If he is not accorded the immunities, he cannot function.'
Ahsan Iqbal said Hazrat Omar made appearance before court, the very fact told that there was Islamic jurisprudence then, as it existed in every era, adding that even today, Britain has no written constitution; they have a Jurisprudence and conduct themselves in accordance with it.
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Responding this point, Fauzia said, 'There was no Constitution in his (Omar's) time. Only, there was the Holy Quran,' addressing the participants to accordingly refrain from citing his (Omar's) incident as an example in this era.
Wahab added, 'President Zardari is not an ordinary citizen, as immunities are given to him. If he is not accorded the immunities, he cannot function.'
Ahsan Iqbal said Hazrat Omar made appearance before court, the very fact told that there was Islamic jurisprudence then, as it existed in every era, adding that even today, Britain has no written constitution; they have a Jurisprudence and conduct themselves in accordance with it.
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Atif Ashraf
May 24, 2010, 7:57:52 AM5/24/10
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Could not imagined that fozia wahab will go to this limit defending the president....these selfish politicians has nothing to do with governance but just to oblige their "Bosses" in order to gain personal benifits...Pakistan needs new educated and patriotic politicians that could make all the Pakistanis "proud to be a Pakistani"...
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Subject: Re: Fauzia Wahab's statment on Constitution and Quran
Dear All, President Zardari is not superior than Hazrat Umer razi Allah un ho,if he appeared a court many often,then no exemption should be provided to Mr Zardari,Fouzia Wahab is unaware of Islamic teaching as well as islamic history.Even constitution guarantees that no clause is against the essence of islam and islam does not allow any person to have exemption or have special powers to reduce or repeal punishments awarded by courts to any person. --- On Mon, 5/24/10, saim...@gmail.com <saim...@gmail.com> wrote: |
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akhtar amin
May 24, 2010, 9:21:53 AM5/24/10
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Both religious and political parties have started politics on Wahab's statement it is too injustice
Akhtar Amin Reporter Daily Times Peshawar Bureau Contact No: 0300-5886427 Office No: 091-5261490 Fax No: 091-5261489
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May 24, 2010, 8:38:09 AM5/24/10
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Dear Adeel,
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On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Adeel Raja <adee...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,I just wanted you people to know that the statement was given in the program Infocus with Kamran Yousaf on DawnNews. If you people want, I can give you the exact clip so you people can judge what she has said. She responded to the argument of Mr. Ansar Abbasi that Hazrat Umer appeared eleven times before the court and she said the example cannot be quoted as we only had The Quran at that time, whereas today we have a constitution that we follow for legal matters.If someone could give me a website where I can upload the program or the clip so this controversy can be cleared as I believe most of the people dont even know which program it was and how and when did she say it.Regards,Adeel Raja
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Shahid Abbasi
May 24, 2010, 10:41:34 AM5/24/10
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Asslam o alaikum
Mr Akhtar Amin
I think this matter is more than political point scoring.
please dont argu like:
it is a noraml thing or like another political acts from the parties.
being a journalist we know very well that every news is not a lead or super lead
then why we forgot that every person and every topic is not for political game.
Fouzia Wahab act on a shameful drama and she is responseble for it.......
Fouzia Wahab act on a shameful drama and she is responseble for it.......
Finaly Media hype and respect of QURAAN is two seperat things. is some one can tell to fouzia?????
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Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 6:21:53 PM
Afzal Khan Tahir
May 24, 2010, 12:01:12 PM5/24/10
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Javed Afridi Sahib, Dr. Javed is correct. We had lengthy debate on this issue with Kalafa guys on fb. People are under propaganda in the name of Islam that had been specifically created during 19th and 20th Centuries for political reasons. Any researcher need to go to the original documents. When we say original documents it means the Qur'an as document that was prepared by Zayid ben Zabit Committee at the time of Abu Bakr (r). That is not available with us so far my own research is concerned and if some one do have any information, I would love to go and see it.
There fore when ever one encountered the question of problematic history of first century of Islam, then certainly we do not have an option except to take refuge in the historiographical process in time and space. The holly text do not help us because we are subject to time and space conditions deduced the results from the holly text. There fore Dr. Javed's point is correct and the best way is to re-visit the original work but make sure that to not fall in the trap of falsifications that had been back-ward projected in the name of prophet and Islam and piled-up like mountains. http://www.unitedkashmir.org.uk/islam.html
Afzal Tahir
There fore when ever one encountered the question of problematic history of first century of Islam, then certainly we do not have an option except to take refuge in the historiographical process in time and space. The holly text do not help us because we are subject to time and space conditions deduced the results from the holly text. There fore Dr. Javed's point is correct and the best way is to re-visit the original work but make sure that to not fall in the trap of falsifications that had been back-ward projected in the name of prophet and Islam and piled-up like mountains. http://www.unitedkashmir.org.uk/islam.html
Afzal Tahir
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May 24, 2010, 2:02:03 PM5/24/10
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Wait till these selfish politicians deprived of power and begging for justice, which they never honored in their time.
Khalid
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Ali Hussain
May 24, 2010, 2:07:09 PM5/24/10
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Dear all
It is important to go into the statement given by her with the particular reference and i think it is an issue created only by Jang group. I think relegious personalities are respected alike to all and even to Fauzia Wahab too. Did anybody asked her about the purpose she gave the statement for?
Ali Hussain
jamil bhatti
May 25, 2010, 1:00:46 AM5/25/10
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It was not a matter of any personality but of Quran and Sunnah. You should first listen what she said. She tried to make Pakistan constitution superior to Quran.
Jamil Bhatti (Mr)
Xinhua - - (China's Official Media)
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Naqi Akbar
May 25, 2010, 7:28:24 AM5/25/10
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with due respect to all;
- Fauzia Wahab had only tried to make a hasty use of Historical reference for political gains. Remember PML N politicians making similar references in November 1997 when there was a stand off with judiciary arguing that NS would face the courts as did the 2nd and 4th rightly guided caliph.
- though the available details about the early days of Islam might be sketchy; at least all Muslims agree that there was a some sort of rule of law and procedures during the times of the rightly guided caliphs. caliph Omar and Caliph Ali court attendance was in accordance with that spirit of the rule of law. may be it can be called a primitive form of constitution or a social contract where there was a general understanding among the mass of Muslims as to how the islamic state has to be run and managed.
- for the information of PPP secy info; when Holy Quran was raised on spears in Siffin; it was not the one published in an organized manner by Taj Co, rather those were the manuscipts stored and preserved informally. infact that lack of technology gave imporatnce of Huffaz during those times and much beyond that time.
- regarding PPP personalities lack of knowledge; again nothing to be surprised off. the left in pakistan strives on SUNNI and SUNAI and not on authentic knowledge. they do ot study and cannot be expected of making a correct linkage. that is why such loose statements similar to the one by the president equating bhuttos who were killed to be saints.
naqi Akbar
Mohammad Bajwa
May 25, 2010, 10:49:34 AM5/25/10
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This whole controversy is frivolous. There were no formal courts at that time.
And the Holy Quran is not a compilation about court rules. It is about God and how over generation man has opposed that truth and strayed into worshiping idols.
A.Bajwa
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 13:38:09 +0100
Subject: Re: FW: Fauzia Wahab's statment on Constitution and Quran
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May 25, 2010, 1:50:24 PM5/25/10
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Mr. Bajwa Dear have you read Quran with translation?
If you have then you should not say this.
yasir mushtaq
May 26, 2010, 9:36:05 AM5/26/10
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Dear All,
Asalam o Alaikum
I want 2 get back you in
1937........... INDIA
Congress ney Hakomat Banai,
Mahtama Gandhi Ney Cabina Ky ministers aur Hakomati Arakeen Ko mashwara daity howy kaha .. .. "Main RAM CHANDAR aur KIRSHAN ka hawala nahi dy sakta, Kyou'n-K woh Tareekh Saaz Hastia'n nahi thien.. .. Main majboor hoN ky Sadgi Ki Missal Ky HAZRAT ABU BAKAR SIDDIQUE (r.a) aur HAZRAT UMAR FAROOQ (r.a) Ky naam pashe kero'n, woh Lakho'n Muraba Meal per phaili Saltanat Ky Hakim thy per unho'n ny Faqeerana Zindagi guzari".. (HARIJAN 27-07-1937)..
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Zera gor ki jeay k aghyar bi un azeem shakhsieat ki toseef ki bina nahi reh saky aur aik Wo FOUZIA WAHAB jis ka 36 azla mein baap nahi wo in muhtaram hasitieown ko harf e tanqeed banaiey.. ..
Yasir Sheikh
Asalam o Alaikum
I want 2 get back you in
1937........... INDIA
Congress ney Hakomat Banai,
Mahtama Gandhi Ney Cabina Ky ministers aur Hakomati Arakeen Ko mashwara daity howy kaha .. .. "Main RAM CHANDAR aur KIRSHAN ka hawala nahi dy sakta, Kyou'n-K woh Tareekh Saaz Hastia'n nahi thien.. .. Main majboor hoN ky Sadgi Ki Missal Ky HAZRAT ABU BAKAR SIDDIQUE (r.a) aur HAZRAT UMAR FAROOQ (r.a) Ky naam pashe kero'n, woh Lakho'n Muraba Meal per phaili Saltanat Ky Hakim thy per unho'n ny Faqeerana Zindagi guzari".. (HARIJAN 27-07-1937)..
~
Zera gor ki jeay k aghyar bi un azeem shakhsieat ki toseef ki bina nahi reh saky aur aik Wo FOUZIA WAHAB jis ka 36 azla mein baap nahi wo in muhtaram hasitieown ko harf e tanqeed banaiey.. ..
Yasir Sheikh
On Tue, 25 May 2010 19:49 PKT Mohammad Bajwa wrote:
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>This whole controversy is frivolous. There were no formal courts at that time.
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>And the Holy Quran is not a compilation about court rules. It is about God and how over generation man has opposed that truth and strayed into worshiping idols.
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>A.Bajwa
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>Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 13:38:09 +0100
>Subject: Re: FW: Fauzia Wahab's statment on Constitution and Quran
>From: pakist...@googlemail.com
>To: pressp...@googlegroups.com
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>Dear Adeel,
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>Could you please provide a copy of the said clip to: criti...@gmail.com
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>Thanks,
>Let Us Build Pakistan
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>On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Adeel Raja <adee...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Dear All,
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>I just wanted you people to know that the statement was given in the program Infocus with Kamran Yousaf on DawnNews. If you people want, I can give you the exact clip so you people can judge what she has said. She responded to the argument of Mr. Ansar Abbasi that Hazrat Umer appeared eleven times before the court and she said the example cannot be quoted as we only had The Quran at that time, whereas today we have a constitution that we follow for legal matters.
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>If someone could give me a website where I can upload the program or the clip so this controversy can be cleared as I believe most of the people dont even know which program it was and how and when did she say it.
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>Regards,
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>Adeel Raja
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