Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

[NT]

February 16, 2006

Op-Ed Columnist

Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

By BOB HERBERT

It's time for Dick Cheney to step down — for the sake of the country and for the sake of the Bush administration.

Mr. Cheney's bumbling conduct at the upscale Armstrong Ranch in South Texas seemed hilarious at first. But when we learned that Harry Whittington had suffered a mild heart attack after being shot by the vice president in a hunting accident, it became clear that a more sober assessment of the fiasco at the ranch and, inevitably, Mr. Cheney's controversial and even bizarre behavior as vice president was in order.

 

There's a reason Dick Cheney is obsessive about shunning the spotlight. His record is not the kind you want to hold up for intense scrutiny.

More than anyone else, he was fanatical about massaging and distorting the intelligence that plunged us into the flaming quagmire of Iraq. He insisted that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons and was hot on the trail of nukes. He pounded away at the false suggestion that Iraq was somehow linked to Al Qaeda. And he spread the word that the war he wanted so badly would be a cakewalk.

 

"I really do believe," he told Tim Russert, "that we will be greeted as liberators."

Well, he got his war. And while the nation's brave young soldiers and marines were bouncing around Iraq in shamefully vulnerable Humvees and other vehicles, dodging bullets, bombs and improvised explosive devices, Mr. Cheney (a gold-medal winner in the acquisition of wartime deferments) felt perfectly comfortable packing his fancy

28-gauge Perazzi shotgun and heading off to Texas with a covey of fat cats to shoot quail. Matters went haywire, of course, when he shot Mr. Whittington instead.

 

That was the moment when the legend of the tough, hawkish, take-no-prisoners vice president began morphing into the less-than-heroic image of a reckless, scowling incompetent who mistook his buddy for a bird.

This story is never going away. Harry Whittington is Dick Cheney's Monica. When Mr. Whittington dies (hopefully many years from now, and from natural causes), he will be remembered as the hunting companion who was shot by the vice president of the United States. This tale will stick to Mr. Cheney like Krazy Glue, and that's bad news for the Bush administration.

 

The shooting and Mr. Cheney's highhanded behavior in its immediate aftermath fit perfectly with the stereotype of him as a powerful but dangerous figure who is viewed by many as a dark force within the administration. He doesn't even give lip service to the idea of transparency in his public or private life. This is the man who fought all the way to the Supreme Court to keep his White House meetings with energy industry honchos as secret as the Manhattan Project. (Along the way he went duck hunting at a private camp in rural Louisiana with Justice Antonin Scalia.)

 

This is also the man whose closest and most trusted aide, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, has been indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice as a result of the investigation into the outing of a C.I.A. undercover operative, Valerie Wilson.

Mr. Cheney is arrogant, defiant and at times blatantly vulgar. He once told Senator Patrick Leahy to perform a crude act upon himself.

 

A vice president who insists on writing his own rules, who shudders at the very idea of transparency in government, whose judgment on crucial policy issues has been as wildly off the mark (and infinitely more tragic) as his actions in Texas over the weekend, and who has now become an object of relentless ridicule, cannot by any reasonable measure be thought of as an asset to the nation or to the president he serves.

The Bush administration would benefit from new thinking and new perspectives on the war in Iraq, the potential threat from Iran, the nation's readiness to cope with another terror attack, the development of a comprehensive energy policy and other important issues.

President Bush's approval ratings have dropped below 40 percent in recent polls. Even Republicans are openly criticizing the administration's conduct of the war, its response to Hurricane Katrina and assorted other failures and debacles.

Dick Cheney is a constant reminder of those things the White House would most like to forget: the bullying, the intelligence failures, the inability to pacify Iraq, the misuse of classified information and the breathtaking incompetence that seems to be spread throughout the administration.

Mr. Cheney would do his nation and his president a service by packing his bags and heading back to Wyoming. He's become a joke. But not a funny one.

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HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS!!

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ImpeachBushNOW

 

 

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

Speaking of "going", my hubby, who has been a Democrat for 22 years now, declared tonight he is changing his party affiliation because of the way the Democrats are going after Cheney.  He says "they're acting like a@@holes  and becoming the Nazis they claim they're so against."  Another Democrat gone, instead of the Vice President.  And how many more Democrats to go?  Who knows?  They're not earning any Brownie points on going after the VP on an accident.  It's starting to appall some Democrats on the witch-hunting.  Who needs McCarthy, you have the new improved Democrats who keep isolating more and more Democrats, by the new improved witch-hunting techniques.

 

 

In a message dated 2/15/2006 10:34:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

February 16, 2006

Op-Ed Columnist

Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

By BOB HERBERT

It's time for Dick Cheney to step down — for the sake of the country and for the sake of the Bush administration.

Mr. Cheney's bumbling conduct at the upscale Armstrong Ranch in South Texas seemed hilarious at first. But when we learned that Harry Whittington had suffered a mild heart attack after being shot by the vice president in a hunting accident, it became clear that a more sober assessment of the fiasco at the ranch and, inevitably, Mr. Cheney's controversial and even bizarre behavior as vice president was in order.

 

There's a reason Dick Cheney is o Dick Cheney is obsessive about shunning the spotlight. His record is not the kind you want to hold up for intense scrutiny.

More than anyone else, he was fanatical about massaging and distorting the intelligence that plunged us into the flaming quagmire of Iraq. He insisted that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons and was hot on the trail of nukes. He pounded away at the false suggestion that Iraq was somehow linked to Al Qaeda. And he spread the word that the war he wanted so badly would be a cakewalk.

 

"I really do believe," he told Tim Russert, "that we will be greeted as liberators."

Well, he got his war. And while the nation's brave young soldiers and marines were bouncing around Iraq in shamefully vulnerable Humvees and other vehicles, dodging bullets, bombs and improvised explosive devices, Mr. Cheney (a gold-medal winner in the acquisition of wartime deferments) felt perfectly comfortable packing his fancy

28-gauge Perazzi shotgun and heading off to Texas with a covey of fat cats to shoot quail. Matters went haywire, of course, when he shot Mr. Whittington instead.

 

That was the moment when the legend of the tough, hawkish, take-no-prisoners vice president began morphing into the less-than-heroic image of a reckless, scowling incompetent who mistook his buddy for a bird.

This story is never going away. Harry Whittington is Dick Cheney's Monica. When Mr. Whittington dies (hopefully many years from now, and from natural causes), he will be remembered as the hunting companion who was shot by the vice president of the United States. This tale will stick to Mr. Cheney like Krazy Glue, and that's bad news for the Bush administration.

 

The shooting and Mr. Cheney's highhanded behavior in its immediate aftermath fit perfectly with the stereotype of him as a powerful but dangerous figure who is viewed by many as a dark force within the administration. He doesn't even give lip service to the idea of transparency in his public or private life. This is the man who fought all the way to the Supreme Court to keep his White House meetings with energy industry honchos as secret as the Manhattan Project. (Along the way he went duck hunting at a private camp in rural Louisiana with Justice Antonin Scalia.)

 

This is also the man whose closest and most trusted aide, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, has been indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice as a result of the investigation into the outing of a C.I.A. undercover operative, Valerie Wilson.

Mr. Cheney is arrogant, defiant and at times blatantly vulgar. He once told Senator Patrick Leahy to perform a crude act upon himself.

 

A vice president who insists on writing his own rules, who shudders at the very idea of transparency in government, whose judgment on crucial policy issues has been as wildly off the mark (and infinitely more tragic) as his actions in Texas over the weekend, and who has now become an object of relentless ridicule, cannot by any reasonable measure be thought of as an asset to the nation or to the president he serves.

The Bush administration would benefit from new thinking and new perspectives on the war in Iraq, the potential threat from Iran, the nation's readiness to cope with another terror attack, the development of a comprehensive energy policy and other important issues.

President Bush's approval ratings have dropped below 40 percent in recent polls. Even Republicans are openly criticizing the administration's conduct of the war, its response to Hurricane Katrina and assorted other failures and debacles.

Dick Cheney is a constant reminder of those things the White House would most like to forget: the bullying, the intelligence failures, the inability to pacify Iraq, the misuse of classified information and the breathtaking incompetence that seems to be spread throughout the administration.

Mr. Cheney would do his nation and his president a service by packing his bags and heading back to Wyoming. He's become a joke. But not a funny one.

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[NT]

All that's Left is Truth - and the arrogant SOB has a pattern of demonstrating he's not accountable to The People.  Cheney is the one assigned to continue repeating the WMD mantra a year after it was official - there were no WMDs.  But - hey - running a campaign on fear wouldn't have been as much fun for the Neocons without throwing in those old WMDs that never existed.

 

 

Ladyof...@aol.com wrote:

Speaking of "going", my hubby, who has been a Democrat for 22 years now, declared tonight he is changing his party affiliation because of the way the Democrats are going after Cheney.  He says "they're acting like a@@holes  and becoming the Nazis they claim they're so against."  Another Democrat gone, instead of the Vice President.  And how many more Democrats to go?  Who knows?  They're not earning any Brownie points on going after the VP on an accident.  It's starting to appall some Democrats on the witch-hunting.  Who needs McCarthy, you have the new improved Democrats who keep isolating more and more Democrats, by the new improved witch-hunting techniques.

 

 

In a message dated 2/15/2006 10:34:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

February 16, 2006

Op-Ed Columnist

Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

By BOB HERBERT

It's time for Dick Cheney to step down — for the sake of the country and for the sake of the Bush administration.

[Preda...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 12:50:48 AM Central Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

Speaking of "going", my hubby, who has been a Democrat for 22 years now, declared tonight he is changing his party affiliation because of the way the Democrats are going after Cheney.  He says "they're acting like a@@holes  and becoming the Nazis they claim they're so against."  Another Democrat gone, instead of the Vice President.  And how many more Democrats to go?  Who knows?  They're not earning any Brownie points on going after the VP on an accident.  It's starting to appall some Democrats on the witch-hunting.  Who needs McCarthy, you have the new improved Democrats who keep isolating more and more Democrats, by the new improved witch-hunting techniques.

That's what I think is happening. Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 1:34:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

The shooting and Mr. Cheney's highhanded behavior in its immediate aftermath fit perfectly with the stereotype of him as a powerful but dangerous figure who is viewed by many as a dark force within the administration.

Had he been DECENT, FORTHRIGHT & honest, I, like many, would gain some respect for him. But this was the same old scumbag routine he has repeated his entire life: hide, run, shift blame, pretend he is being unfairly attacked.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 1:51:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

They're not earning any Brownie points on going after the VP on an accident.  It's starting to appall some Democrats on the witch-hunting. 

Are you hallucinating? The witch hunt was the obsession with Clinton's sex life. THIS IS A SHOOTING. I guess you DON'T deal with shooting victims, the families, and perpetrators like I do.  There are laws about guns because they are deadly. Cheney was drinking alcohol in the middle of the DAY, then having live birds put in front of him so he could PLAY with a GUN. He shoots somebody, HIDES, then RUNS. As disgraceful an episode as the US has seen in decades.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 5:33:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Preda...@aol.com writes:

Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.

Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.

[Preda...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:48:32 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.

Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.

And I've told you, Cheney had no obligation to report the shooting.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 5:57:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, Preda...@aol.com writes:

And I've told you, Cheney had no obligation to report the shooting.

That is ARGUABLE. what is not arguable is the fact HIS bevaior constituted wanton negligence, and the Vice President of the US must adhere to a high standard.

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 12:50:41 AM Central Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

Speaking of "going", my hubby, who has been a Democrat for 22 years now, declared tonight he is changing his party affiliation because of the way the Democrats are going after Cheney.  He says "they're acting like a@@holes

  and becoming the Nazis they claim they're so against."  Another Democrat gone, instead of the Vice President.  And how many more Democrats to go?  Who knows?  They're not earning any Brownie points on going after the VP on an accident.  It's starting to appall some Democrats on the witch-hunting.  Who needs McCarthy, you have the new improved Democrats who keep isolating more and more Democrats, by the new improved witch-hunting techniques.

This may sound strange, Lady, but I really do wish that it was possible for you, your husband, and other like minded Democrats to reclaim the Democratic Party from those who have seemingly taken it over.  For myself, it's been far too many years since I was a Democrat or an Independent and I really believe that, for me, the GOP is the way to go despite it's blemishes (which I've discovered need to be addressed and cleaned up by the Rank and File) so I'll stick with them.

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:36:55 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

Had he been DECENT, FORTHRIGHT & honest, I, like many, would gain some respect for him. But this was the same old scumbag routine he has repeated his entire life: hide, run, shift blame, pretend he is being unfairly attacked.

Who?  Kennedy? Because that's not Mr Cheney.

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:36:55 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

The shooting and Mr. Cheney's highhanded behavior in its immediate aftermath fit perfectly with the stereotype of him as a powerful but dangerous figure who is viewed by many as a dark force within the administration.

Had he been DECENT, FORTHRIGHT & honest, I, like many, would gain some respect for him. But this was the same old scumbag routine he has repeated his entire life: hide, run, shift blame, pretend he is being unfairly attacked.

Which brings up the question.  Would you rather drive over a bridge with Ted Kennedy or go hunting with Dick Cheney.  I'd choose Cheney myself.

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:42:42 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 1:51:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

They're not earning any Brownie points on going after the VP on an accident.  It's starting to appall some Democrats on the witch-hunting. 

Are you hallucinating? The witch hunt was the obsession with Clinton's sex life. THIS IS A SHOOTING. I guess you DON'T deal with shooting victims, the families, and perpetrators like I do.  There are laws about guns because they are deadly. Cheney was drinking alcohol in the middle of the DAY, then having live birds put in front of him so he could PLAY with a GUN. He shoots somebody, HIDES, then RUNS. As disgraceful an episode as the US has seen in decades.

DJ  You folks simply have to get over this sick and psychotic quest for revenge for what you , deep in your heart and mind, know was a righteous impeachment of a crooked little man who happened to stumble into the Presidency.

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:48:24 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 5:33:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Preda...@aol.com writes:

Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.

Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.

You state that Cheney skipped town as though he was now on the run and we don't know where to find him.  Rest assured that if the sheriff's office wanted to talk to him, we 'd be able to find him.

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 5:09:45 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

And I've told you, Cheney had no obligation to report the shooting.

That is ARGUABLE. what is not arguable is the fact HIS bevaior constituted wanton negligence, and the Vice President of the US must adhere to a high standard.

Regardless, the incident WAS reported by the Secret Service.  Let's use some logic here folks.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:03:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bold...@aol.com writes:

Who?  Kennedy? Because that's not Mr Cheney.

Yes, it IS Cheney. Kennedy was injured in the accident that killed another. Cheney HID, RAN, and covered his sorry ASS. When Laura Bush's joyride killed, SHE played the VICTIM. Her press aide says the death of the boy she killed is "too painful for HER to talk about". Loathsome CONs.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:04:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bold...@aol.com writes:

Would you rather drive over a bridge with Ted Kennedy or go hunting with Dick Cheney.  I'd choose Cheney myself.

Drive with Kennedy; he QUIT drinking. As has George Bush. Even after two DUI's and a drunken battery, Dick Cheney has said he sees NO REASON to quit. One thing I DO admire George Bush for is facing up to his alcohol problem, though it took him decades to admit to the public.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bold...@aol.com writes:

DJ  You folks simply have to get over this sick and psychotic quest for revenge for what you , deep in your heart and mind, know was a righteous impeachment of a crooked little man who happened to stumble into the Presidency.

Bush hasn't been impeached Saber. I did see a brilliant, hardworking sleazy guy get impeached though, WHILE AL QAEDA strengthened and planned an attack on the US the little boy who followed him IGNORED.

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

The problem he has with them, outside of the tinfoil hat people he abhors, is the fact he's seen the partisan hacks go "ballistic" on Dick Cheney for an accident.  Here's the bigger problem he has, he doesn't like them for the fact they have no respect for the office of the presidency, the office of the vice presidency, and doesn't want them on that basis alone.  What is comes down to is that after they claimed last night they want Cheney to get arrested, it showed their lack of respect for authority, knowing their place, and understanding the power of the Vice President as well as the President, himself.  He claims that the authority of a VP is over that of a local government, and if they don't know that, he doesn't want them in a position to take knocks at the Constitution, and unravel a respresentative republic that they'd like to turn into anarchy. 

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:09:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bold...@aol.com writes:

You state that Cheney skipped town as though he was now on the run and we don't know where to find him.  Rest assured that if the sheriff's office wanted to talk to him, we 'd be able to find him.

Perhaps their funding allocation didn't anticipate this EXPENSE. Cheney behaved disgracefully, and all the boot lickin' in the world can't change it.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

The REAL problem is those people who deal away the best interests of this country for hundreds of millions in campaign donations, get into office, and treat it as a BIRTHRIGHT.

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

Let's add something to the "rank and file" thing.  It does come down to rank and file so to speak, because it looks like people don't recognize the role of leaders, nor even their place on the totem pole.  Being that you're a military man, Colonel, you'll probably recognize the lack of respect and rank and file, and what authority does the president or even vice president hold.  There's where the complaint really lies.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:11:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bold...@aol.com writes:

Regardless, the incident WAS reported by the Secret Service.  Let's use some logic here folks.

I saw that recently, from YOU. If true, then the minimum requirements of the law were adhered to. But his leaving the state was both unwise & callous. It has sad to have a VP that feels the MINIMUM is enough, but that's BUSH & Co.

[sooz...@aol.com]

[Preda...@aol.com]

Is it just me...Sooz has been sending blank mails

[sooz...@aol.com]

 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:06:44 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

 

You make this comment, after your repeated references to what happened to Ted Kennedy (which I do agree was a crime that was never addressed) how many years ago????  Can't let go of the past, can you?  Her family has, for their own reasons.  Still want revenge on Teddy, Bold.  Kettle calling the pot black.

[sooz...@aol.com]

 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:09:07 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

I don't see this in DJ's statement above.  Comprehension eludes you

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[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 9:51:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

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To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:56:46 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:48:32 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.

Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.

And I've told you, Cheney had no obligation to report the shooting.

 

I think it goes to personal-private to public citzens and that line got crossed under Clinton.  I've never felt Clinton needed to apologize to the American people for something in his personal life. 

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 9:56:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:06:44 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:42:42 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 1:51:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

They're not earning any Brownie points on going after the VP on an accident.  It's starting to appall some Democrats on the witch-hunting. 

Are you hallucinating? The witch hunt was the obsession with Clinton's sex life. THIS IS A SHOOTING. I guess you DON'T deal with shooting victims, the families, and perpetrators like I do.  There are laws about guns because they are deadly. Cheney was drinking alcohol in the middle of the DAY, then having live birds put in front of him so he could PLAY with a GUN. He shoots somebody, HIDES, then RUNS. As disgraceful an episode as the US has seen in decades.

DJ  You folks simply have to get over this sick and psychotic quest for revenge for what you , deep in your heart and mind, know was a righteous impeachment of a crooked little man who happened to stumble into the Presidency.

 

You make this comment, after your repeated references to what happened to Ted Kennedy (which I do agree was a crime that was never addressed) how many years ago????  Can't let go of the past, can you?  Her family has, for their own reasons.  Still want revenge on Teddy, Bold.  Kettle calling the pot black.

Ted Kennedy is a comparison being made my the progressive media, they're calling it "Cheney's Chappaquiddick"  (or however that's spelled)    Kennedy actually killed someone, and the media is awaiting with abated breath to see if the poor guy kicks the bucket, which seems a little too repulsive.

 

My comparison, however, is to Bill Clinton, and what happened to Clinton to supposedly deserve an impeachment for something that was in his personal life.  I think it over-stepped the mark between personal and private, and Clinton didn't deserve to be impeached for a nonsense trumped up perjury charge on the grounds it had nothing to do with national security, but his own personal life.

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

And the quest for revenge is pretty much a failing mission, because I don't see Clinton wanting revenge, neither.  And Clinton didn't kill anybody, either.

[sooz...@aol.com]

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:26:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

Kennedy actually killed someone, and the media is awaiting with abated breath to see if the poor guy kicks the bucket, which seems a little too repulsive.

Kennedy was in an accident where someone was killed. He was injured also. Cheney, like Laura Bush, remains AOK.

[sooz...@aol.com]

 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ladyof...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:16:41 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 9:56:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:06:44 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:42:42 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 1:51:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

They're not earning any Brownie points on going after the VP on an accident.  It's starting to appall some Democrats on the witch-hunting. 

Are you hallucinating? The witch hunt was the obsession with Clinton's sex life. THIS IS A SHOOTING. I guess you DON'T deal with shooting victims, the families, and perpetrators like I do.  There are laws about guns because they are deadly. Cheney was drinking alcohol in the middle of the DAY, then having live birds put in front of him so he could PLAY with a GUN. He shoots somebody, HIDES, then RUNS. As disgraceful an episode as the US has seen in decades.

DJ  You folks simply have to get over this sick and psychotic quest for revenge for what you , deep in your heart and mind, know was a righteous impeachment of a crooked little man who happened to stumble into the Presidency.

 

You make this comment, after your repeated references to what happened to Ted Kennedy (which I do agree was a crime that was never addressed) how many years ago????  Can't let go of the past, can you?  Her family has, for their own reasons.  Still want revenge on Teddy, Bold.  Kettle calling the pot black.

Ted Kennedy is a comparison being made my the progressive media, they're calling it "Cheney's Chappaquiddick"  (or however that's spelled)    Kennedy actually killed someone, and the media is awaiting with abated breath to see if the poor guy kicks the bucket, which seems a little too repulsive.  I doubt this.  The fact remains, that Cheney could face serious charges if this does happen & that fact has been pointed out.  Extremists among the rightwingers have taken umbridge with the pointing out of this fact.

 

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

Sooz, you keep sending back blank emails

 

 

In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:37:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Ladyof...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:10:41 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 9:51:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Preda...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:56:46 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:48:32 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.

Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.

And I've told you, Cheney had no obligation to report the shooting.

 

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:38:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:26:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

Kennedy actually killed someone, and the media is awaiting with abated breath to see if the poor guy kicks the bucket, which seems a little too repulsive.

Kennedy was in an accident where someone was killed. He was injured also. Cheney, like Laura Bush, remains AOK.

I don't know much about the whole Chappaquiddick thing outside of the fact that the woman was killed.   And I don't know much about the Laura Bush incident either.  Something to do with a boyfriend.  And if you recall in the 2004 election a lot of stuff was made up or can't be proved or you have no way of knowing if it's true or not. 

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:39:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Ladyof...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:16:41 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 9:56:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:06:44 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:42:42 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 1:51:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

They're not earning any Brownie points on going after the VP on an accident.  It's starting to appall some Democrats on the witch-hunting. 

Are you hallucinating? The witch hunt was the obsession with Clinton's sex life. THIS IS A SHOOTING. I guess you DON'T deal with shooting victims, the families, and perpetrators like I do.  There are laws about guns because they are deadly. Cheney was drinking alcohol in the middle of the DAY, then having live birds put in front of him so he could PLAY with a GUN. He shoots somebody, HIDES, then RUNS. As disgraceful an episode as the US has seen in decades.

DJ  You folks simply have to get over this sick and psychotic quest for revenge for what you , deep in your heart and mind, know was a righteous impeachment of a crooked little man who happened to stumble into the Presidency.

 

You make this comment, after your repeated references to what happened to Ted Kennedy (which I do agree was a crime that was never addressed) how many years ago????  Can't let go of the past, can you?  Her family has, for their own reasons.  Still want revenge on Teddy, Bold.  Kettle calling the pot black.

Ted Kennedy is a comparison being made my the progressive media, they're calling it "Cheney's Chappaquiddick"  (or however that's spelled)    Kennedy actually killed someone, and the media is awaiting with abated breath to see if the poor guy kicks the bucket, which seems a little too repulsive.  I doubt this.  The fact remains, that Cheney could face serious charges if this does happen & that fact has been pointed out.  Extremists among the rightwingers have taken umbridge with the pointing out of this fact.

Any sort of freak accident, no matter what it is, is an accident.  And  it's about owning up to it is the most important part. 

 

 

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 9:57:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:09:07 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:48:24 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 5:33:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Preda...@aol.com writes:

Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.

Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.

You state that Cheney skipped town as though he was now on the run and we don't know where to find him.  Rest assured that if the sheriff's office wanted to talk to him, we 'd be able to find him.

 

I don't see this in DJ's statement above.  Comprehension eludes you

Well, if George Bush Senior tee's off one day, like Gerald Ford did, and clobbers Bill Clinton with a golf ball that results in injury, are you going to lynch the guy?  Considering the guy is also a friend of his, which is like the Cheney scenerio, is it between him and Bill or does everybody have to know about it? 

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:37:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bold...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 12:50:41 AM Central Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

Speaking of "going", my hubby, who has been a Democrat for 22 years now, declared tonight he is changing his party affiliation because of the way the Democrats are going after Cheney.  He says "they're acting like a@@holes

  and becoming the Nazis they claim they're so against."  Another Democrat gone, instead of the Vice President.  And how many more Democrats to go?  Who knows?  They're not earning any Brownie points on going after the VP on an accident.  It's starting to appall some Democrats on the witch-hunting.  Who needs McCarthy, you have the new improved Democrats who keep isolating more and more Democrats, by the new improved witch-hunting techniques.

This may sound strange, Lady, but I really do wish that it was possible for you, your husband, and other like minded Democrats to reclaim the Democratic Party from those who have seemingly taken it over.  For myself, it's been far too many years since I was a Democrat or an Independent and I really believe that, for me, the GOP is the way to go despite it's blemishes (which I've discovered need to be addressed and cleaned up by the Rank and File) so I'll stick with them.

I really think you have to be in politics to make any significant changes to be a little realistic about the whole thing.  I mean look who the Democrats have, outside of Carter or Clinton, you have a Marxist progressive movement and the really, really Liberal Democrats running the show.  After Carter and Clinton had both commented on not getting along with them, you can probably see the reasoning on why they don't get along with them, as did every previous president didn't either.  Any doubt in your mind as to why Eisenhower or Reagan left the Democratic Party could be explained by that reason, and that reason alone.

[NT]

Like what??

 

HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS!!

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ImpeachBushNOW

 

 

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

You can't recall all the rumors going around in that election?  Geez, were you sleeping or not involved in politics at that time?

[NT]

What would Bushies do without labels??  Lady - your Hitleresque tactics, condoned by Bush, has led to current day mass graves and Torture camps. 

[NT]

It's only 2 words - but we can rely on a Bushie to misinterpret them.

2 words - Like what??  as in - provide YOUR examples.

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 11:35:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

And in comes the reason the old man has.  After being a Democrat for years, he got yelled at for being a GOPer when he wasn't one, the same as you are doing now.  And because of your paranoid delusional tinfoil hats and invisible tanks, and the fact you're calling other Democrats that don't agree with you "Bushies" and republicans when they aren't, will be the factor in the 2006 election when the Democrats lose again.  Because of the fact the "progressives" think the line of progression means being in line with what you believe in a totally marxist way of co-existence means kicking out others that don't agree.  But there are so few Marxists in the country, and I do mean by the whole population, good luck in finding Democrats that "agree" with you, and if they don't agree with you, they are screamed at like a bunch of psychopathic demonically-possessed shrills.

[sooz...@aol.com]

I don't know why that's happening, because I am responding. 

[sooz...@aol.com]

Which he did, in a response that was very "all about me." 

 

[sooz...@aol.com]

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

Sooz, you still are coming back without a response, settings maybe?  It's every other email.

 

In a message dated 2/16/2006 11:51:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Ladyof...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:07:19 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 9:57:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:09:07 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:48:24 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 5:33:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Preda...@aol.com writes:

Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.

Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.

You state that Cheney skipped town as though he was now on the run and we don't know where to find him.  Rest assured that if the sheriff's office wanted to talk to him, we 'd be able to find him.

 

I don't see this in DJ's statement above.  Comprehension eludes you

[sooz...@aol.com]

I haven't changed my settings.  I wouldn't know how to change them to do that. 

[NT]

I didn't realize old Harry consented to being shot.  Now that's the epitome of "taking it for a friend."

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:57:25 AM Central Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:09:07 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:48:24 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 5:33:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Preda...@aol.com writes:

Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.

Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.

You state that Cheney skipped town as though he was now on the run and we don't know where to find him.  Rest assured that if the sheriff's office wanted to talk to him, we 'd be able to find him.

I don't see this in DJ's statement above.  Comprehension eludes you

Underlined above

[sooz...@aol.com]

"...we don't know where to find him."  Underlined above.  How do you get that out of DJ's statement?  Creative comprehension?

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 1:15:57 PM Central Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:09:07 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:48:24 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 5:33:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Preda...@aol.com writes:

Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.

Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.





You state that Cheney skipped town as though he was now on the run and we don't know where to find him.  Rest assured that if the sheriff's office wanted to talk to him, we 'd be able to find him.

I don't see this in DJ's statement above.  Comprehension eludes you



Underlined above

"...we don't know where to find him."  Underlined above.  How do you get that out of DJ's statement?  Creative comprehension?

TAlking about creativity, Try the line that says  "he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. "

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 6:09:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bold...@aol.com writes:

TAlking about creativity, Try the line that says  "

he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. "

He SKIPPED, just as he dodged service in a war he WHOLEHEARTEDLY supported. Bush has tried waffling about having doubts about Vietnam, but the always arrogant Cheney still drinks, supports any war that makes his company $$$$, and & keeps felons on OUR payroll.

[Sooz...@aol.com]

TAlking about creativity, Try the line that says  "he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. "

And this means they didn't know where to find him?  Boy, are you reaching in the fog!

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:21:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Sooz...@aol.com writes:

TAlking about creativity, Try the line that says  "

he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. "
And this means they didn't know where to find him?  Boy, are you reaching in the fog!

They sure as hell can NEVER find his BAC at the time of the shooting; which appears to be the whole point.

[NT]

Why do Bushies bend over forward claiming Cheney did nothing wrong when they wouldn't have been allowed the same advantage?

How many Bushies could have shot someone then refused to see the cops?  Are our elected officials supposed to be granted more leeway?

Hmm....they didn't give Clinton that much leeway. 

What are the laws governing BJs in the Oral Office?

[VirtualD...@aol.com]

    Greetings, salutations and hello, this being my first email from the group I see it's going to be fun.

[JUDYFU...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/06 7:53:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, VirtualD...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:46:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

DJChr...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:21:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Sooz...@aol.com writes:

TAlking about creativity, Try the line that says  "

he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. "
And this means they didn't know where to find him?  Boy, are you reaching in the fog!


They sure as hell can NEVER find his BAC at the time of the shooting; which appears to be the whole point.

Why do Bushies bend over forward claiming Cheney did nothing wrong when they wouldn't have been allowed the same advantage?
How many Bushies could have shot someone then refused to see the cops?  Are our elected officials supposed to be granted more leeway?
Hmm....they didn't give Clinton that much leeway. 
What are the laws governing BJs in the Oral Office?

well, there certainly are procedures to be followed when one shoots someone.   I believe meeting with the police so a police report can be filed is numero uno.   After that, notifying the President might be in order in this case.

Back to Chappaquiddick.....Kennedy didn't report drowning somebody in his car because he was drunk when it happened and he wasn't thinking right.

The shite's going to hit the fan again.

Jude

[NT]

Apparently Cheney's "one beer" declaration is more exact than a BAC.  LOL  - I'll bet cops are having a ball with that one - since everybody and his brother ticketed for DUIs and DWIs have used it.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, JUDYFU...@aol.com writes:

.....Kennedy didn't report drowning somebody in his car because he was drunk when it happened and he wasn't thinking right.

NO DICE; Alcohol is detectable for DAYS. Alcohol appears in the urine & blood for about 72 hours. Kennedy was in a hospital before then. VP Cheney had OTHER PRIORITIES than medical care, for the victim & HIMSELF. Cheney has THREE criminals convictions involving intoxication. iI is quite probable the "ONE BEER" in the middle of the day was three or four.
   


 

[NT]

VirtualD...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:46:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

DJChr...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:21:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Sooz...@aol.com writes:

TAlking about creativity, Try the line that says  "

he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. "

And this means they didn't know where to find him?  Boy, are you reaching in the fog!

They sure as hell can NEVER find his BAC at the time of the shooting; which appears to be the whole point.

Why do Bushies bend over forward claiming Cheney did nothing wrong when they wouldn't have been allowed the same advantage?

How many Bushies could have shot someone then refused to see the cops?  Are our elected officials supposed to be granted more leeway?

Hmm....they didn't give Clinton that much leeway. 

What are the laws governing BJs in the Oral Office?

 

 

    Greetings, salutations and hello, this being my first email from the group I see it's going to be fun.

ROFL!!  Welcome!!! 

 

 

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:13:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

JUDYFU...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/16/06 7:53:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, VirtualD...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:46:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

DJChr...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:21:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Sooz...@aol.com writes:

TAlking about creativity, Try the line that says  "

he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. "

And this means they didn't know where to find him?  Boy, are you reaching in the fog!

They sure as hell can NEVER find his BAC at the time of the shooting; which appears to be the whole point.

Why do Bushies bend over forward claiming Cheney did nothing wrong when they wouldn't have been allowed the same advantage?
How many Bushies could have shot someone then refused to see the cops?  Are our elected officials supposed to be granted more leeway?
Hmm....they didn't give Clinton that much leeway. 
What are the laws governing BJs in the Oral Office?

well, there certainly are procedures to be followed when one shoots someone.   I believe meeting with the police so a police report can be filed is numero uno.   After that, notifying the President might be in order in this case.

Back to Chappaquiddick.....Kennedy didn't report drowning somebody in his car because he was drunk when it happened and he wasn't thinking right.

The shite's going to hit the fan again.

Jude

Apparently Cheney's "one beer" declaration is more exact than a BAC.  LOL  - I'll bet cops are having a ball with that one - since everybody and his brother ticketed for DUIs and DWIs have used it.

Sorry, Harry wasn't submerged and left to lie at the bottom of the ocean for quite a bit, someone was around to help, was sent to the hospital instead of a funeral parlor.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:19:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

Sorry, Harry wasn't submerged and left to lie at the bottom of the ocean for quite a bit, someone was around to help, was sent to the hospital instead of a funeral parlor.

  Kennedy was injured. His injuries were consistent with submersion. This CONscum lie is 37 years old.  Cheney was drinking on vacation & playing with his collector's guns, while our troops face enemy fire in an unnecessary war he lobbied for, and is profiting from.  Laura Bush says her victim's death is too painful for HER to talk about. Kennedy looks great next to these slime.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:16:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

Greetings, salutations and hello, this being my first email from the group I see it's going to be fun.

ROFL!!  Welcome!!! 

May wanna use bright orange font; lotta Cheney lovers here.

[VirtualD...@aol.com]

Orange is that something new for Cheney lovers?

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:51:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, VirtualD...@aol.com writes:

May wanna use bright orange font; lotta Cheney lovers here.

Orange is that something new for Cheney lovers?

It helps hunters see ya better; and gives Cheney and easier target.

[Virtual...@aol.com]

How did Kennedy's injury prevent him from making over 20 verified phone calls to various aides and lawyers before he contacted the Police to rescue the young woman?

[VirtualD...@aol.com]

I get it now,  sorry a little slow.

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 6:21:42 PM Central Standard Time, Sooz...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 1:15:57 PM Central Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:09:07 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:48:24 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:




In a message dated 2/16/2006 5:33:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Preda...@aol.com writes:
Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.
Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.






You state that Cheney skipped town as though he was now on the run and we don't know where to find him.  Rest assured that if the sheriff's office wanted to talk to him, we 'd be able to find him.

I don't see this in DJ's statement above.  Comprehension eludes you



Underlined above

"...we don't know where to find him."  Underlined above.  How do you get that out of DJ's statement?  Creative comprehension?

TAlking about creativity, Try the line that says  "he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. "

And this means they didn't know where to find him?  Boy, are you reaching in the fog!

This time try "as though he was now on the run and we don't know where to find him

[NT]

Why couldn't Cheney just do the right thing - like we're all expected to do??  Why did he refuse to see the cop later Sat. night??

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:33:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:16:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

Greetings, salutations and hello, this being my first email from the group I see it's going to be fun.

ROFL!!  Welcome!!! 

May wanna use bright orange font; lotta Cheney lovers here.

You think that's bad, you should visit some chatrooms from Europe and Canda, they think it's the greatest thing in the world.  They gave Cheney a rating of being an ultimate "tough guy" VP.  So much for all that progressiveness.

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:13:34 PM Central Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

well, there certainly are procedures to be followed when one shoots someone.   I believe meeting with the police so a police report can be filed is numero uno.   After that, notifying the President might be in order in this case.

Back to Chappaquiddick.....Kennedy didn't report drowning somebody in his car because he was drunk when it happened and he wasn't thinking right.

The shite's going to hit the fan again.

Jude

Apparently Cheney's "one beer" declaration is more exact than a BAC.  LOL  - I'll bet cops are having a ball with that one - since everybody and his brother ticketed for DUIs and DWIs have used it.

ANd let us not forget that he was out there partying with his Mistress...Ms Armstrong or Ambassador somebody, or Princess Leia... Right? Damn Tinfoil isn't thick enough there's those damn invisible tanks and black helicopters again.

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

All that tinfoil hat stuff was around a little bit back in the Clinton era after Ruby Ridge and Waco(Reno got to burn kids on live tv), and anybody normal thinks she should be on thorazine with Nancy. 

After 9/11, the conspiracies just flew until now, where just about everything is a conspiracy so the left is called "moonbats" because they think everything is actually a conspiracy and aren't taken all that seriously, like by me or you.  So when there's actually a conspiracy, it'll be disregarded, because they yell it too much.

[NT]

Actually his mistress...er...the Ambassador pulled the trigger.  He's just covering for his lover.  YUK!!!!  what a disgusting thought!!  I wouldn't want that Nasty Neocon within 1,000 miles of me!

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

Cheney isn't a neocon and never has been.  I think you're thinking of Rumsfeld who went from liberal repub dove to neocon hawk.

[NT]

Well it seems BS and his Bushies have forgotten about the 90s - and

THEIR tinfoil hat stuff! 

[NT]

Well it seems BS and his Bushies have forgotten about the 90s - and

[Virtual...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:54:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

Actually his mistress...er...the Ambassador pulled the trigger.  He's just covering for his lover.  YUK!!!!  what a disgusting thought!!  I wouldn't want that Nasty Neocon within 1,000 miles of me!

Actually the alleged Mistress you refer to was accompanied by her husband on the Hunting Trip, perhaps you can come up with a better rumor?

[NT]

Cheney is a Neocon!!!!!  He was in charge of writing the lst PNAC -

in 1992.  WTC attacked in 1993. 

Neocons write another PNAC in 2000.  WTC/Pentagon attacked 2001.

Get it??

Oh - and some Bushies who dismissed the 2000 PNAC - are now looking at it a little more closely - since they can NOW see Bush is following it with multiple simultaneous wars!  Go Bush!

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:57:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

Ladyof...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:41:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bold...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:13:34 PM Central Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

well, there certainly are procedures to be followed when one shoots someone.   I believe meeting with the police so a police report can be filed is numero uno.   After that, notifying the President might be in order in this case.

Back to Chappaquiddick.....Kennedy didn't report drowning somebody in his car because he was drunk when it happened and he wasn't thinking right.

The shite's going to hit the fan again.

Jude

Apparently Cheney's "one beer" declaration is more exact than a BAC.  LOL  - I'll bet cops are having a ball with that one - since everybody and his brother ticketed for DUIs and DWIs have used it.

ANd let us not forget that he was out there partying with his Mistress...Ms Armstrong or Ambassador somebody, or Princess Leia... Right? Damn Tinfoil isn't thick enough there's those damn invisible tanks and black helicopters again.

All that tinfoil hat stuff was around a little bit back in the Clinton era after Ruby Ridge and Waco(Reno got to burn kids on live tv), and anybody normal thinks she should be on thorazine with Nancy. 

After 9/11, the conspiracies just flew until now, where just about everything is a conspiracy so the left is called "moonbats" because they think everything is actually a conspiracy and aren't taken all that seriously, like by me or you.  So when there's actually a conspiracy, it'll be disregarded, because they yell it too much.

Well it seems BS and his Bushies have forgotten about the 90s - and

THEIR tinfoil hat stuff! 

 

They had chemtrails, etc. I don't even know what the heck they are.  Just goofy stuff.

[VirtualD...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 11:00:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Virtual...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:54:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

Actually his mistress...er...the Ambassador pulled the trigger.  He's just covering for his lover.  YUK!!!!  what a disgusting thought!!  I wouldn't want that Nasty Neocon within 1,000 miles of me!

Actually the alleged Mistress you refer to was accompanied by her husband on the Hunting Trip, perhaps you can come up with a better rumor?

Being a newbee, I have to ask is Nancy just joking or does she come up with this off the wall stuff all the time?

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 11:02:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

Ladyof...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:54:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

Bold...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:13:34 PM Central Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

well, there certainly are procedures to be followed when one shoots someone.   I believe meeting with the police so a police report can be filed is numero uno.   After that, notifying the President might be in order in this case.

Back to Chappaquiddick.....Kennedy didn't report drowning somebody in his car because he was drunk when it happened and he wasn't thinking right.

The shite's going to hit the fan again.

Jude

Apparently Cheney's "one beer" declaration is more exact than a BAC.  LOL  - I'll bet cops are having a ball with that one - since everybody and his brother ticketed for DUIs and DWIs have used it.

ANd let us not forget that he was out there partying with his Mistress...Ms Armstrong or Ambassador somebody, or Princess Leia... Right? Damn Tinfoil isn't thick enough there's those damn invisible tanks and black helicopters again.

Actually his mistress...er...the Ambassador pulled the trigger.  He's just covering for his lover.  YUK!!!!  what a disgusting thought!!  I wouldn't want that Nasty Neocon within 1,000 miles of me!

 

Cheney isn't a neocon and never has been.  I think you're thinking of Rumsfeld who went from liberal repub dove to neocon hawk.

Cheney is a Neocon!!!!!  He was in charge of writing the lst PNAC -

in 1992.  WTC attacked in 1993. 

Neocons write another PNAC in 2000.  WTC/Pentagon attacked 2001.

Get it??

Oh - and some Bushies who dismissed the 2000 PNAC - are now looking at it a little more closely - since they can NOW see Bush is following it with multiple simultaneous wars!  Go Bush!

A neocon is someone who was liberal that went conservative, taking their ideology with them.

[Bold...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 9:57:01 PM Central Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

All that tinfoil hat stuff was around a little bit back in the Clinton era after Ruby Ridge and Waco(Reno got to burn kids on live tv), and anybody normal thinks she should be on thorazine with Nancy. 
After 9/11, the conspiracies just flew until now, where just about everything is a conspiracy so the left is called "moonbats" because they think everything is actually a conspiracy and aren't taken all that seriously, like by me or you.  So when there's actually a conspiracy, it'll be disregarded, because they yell it too much.

Well it seems BS and his Bushies have forgotten about the 90s - and
THEIR tinfoil hat stuff! 

I remember Somalia, Haiti, Kosovo, and Bosnia from those days.  Hats were made of Kevlar not tinfoil.  How bout you Nanc?

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

I had a friend that did Kosovo, went to train in special forces, he was suffering a bit from exertion, both mental and physical, not pretty.

[Ladyof...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:45:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, nancy...@yahoo.com writes:

DJChr...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:21:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Sooz...@aol.com writes:

TAlking about creativity, Try the line that says  "

he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. "

And this means they didn't know where to find him?  Boy, are you reaching in the fog!

They sure as hell can NEVER find his BAC at the time of the shooting; which appears to be the whole point.

Why do Bushies bend over forward claiming Cheney did nothing wrong when they wouldn't have been allowed the same advantage?

How many Bushies could have shot someone then refused to see the cops?  Are our elected officials supposed to be granted more leeway?

Hmm....they didn't give Clinton that much leeway. 

What are the laws governing BJs in the Oral Office?

And that explains Nancy's original question of "why do bushies shoot bushies?" because it's an everyday occurance, and they do it everyday, because they're only presidents and vice presidents and have no power to be authority figures in the first place, and even over :gasp: local governments and local police officials.

[Sooz...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/2006 9:21:04 PM Central Standard Time, Bold...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 6:21:42 PM Central Standard Time, Sooz...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 1:15:57 PM Central Standard Time, sooz...@aol.com writes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Bold...@aol.com
To: OpenDeb...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:09:07 EST
Subject: Re: Mr. Vice President, It's Time to Go

In a message dated 2/16/2006 4:48:24 AM Central Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:




In a message dated 2/16/2006 5:33:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Preda...@aol.com writes:
Liberals get hysterical over everything these days. but it is insincere hysteria, and they come across as hollow bashers.
Pred, you understand little of this nation, our laws, or its function. this isn't hysteria; this anger over an EMPLOYEE's malfeasance compounded by criminal evasion. Cheney not only failed to report a SHOOTING, he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. If he were a man, he'd resign; neither Bush nor he have aspired to be MEN, however. Just rich little boys PLAYING at being tough guys.

You state that Cheney skipped town as though he was now on the run and we don't know where to find him.  Rest assured that if the sheriff's office wanted to talk to him, we 'd be able to find him.

I don't see this in DJ's statement above.  Comprehension eludes you



Underlined above

"...we don't know where to find him."  Underlined above.  How do you get that out of DJ's statement?  Creative comprehension?

TAlking about creativity, Try the line that says  "he skipped town when the wrongful act was belatedly discovered. "

And this means they didn't know where to find him?  Boy, are you reaching in the fog!

This time try "as though he was now on the run and we don't know where to find him

Guess you're psychic & a nurse, & read DJ's mind from DJ's post, eh?

[JUDYFU...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/06 8:13:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, JUDYFU...@aol.com writes:

.....Kennedy didn't report drowning somebody in his car because he was drunk when it happened and he wasn't thinking right.

NO DICE; Alcohol is detectable for DAYS. Alcohol appears in the urine & blood for about 72 hours. Kennedy was in a hospital before then. VP Cheney had OTHER PRIORITIES than medical care, for the victim & HIMSELF. Cheney has THREE criminals convictions involving intoxication. iI is quite probable the "ONE BEER" in the middle of the day was three or four.
   

The fact that alcohol shows up for 72 hours is not a viable point in the Kennedy case.  They had attended a party before the infamous ride so of course he would have alcohol in him, but his level would have gone down significantly by the following morning.   Kennedy may have been gone to a hospital, but it wasn't right away.  It would fit in 'the plan' tho.  

[JUDYFU...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/06 8:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ladyof...@aol.com writes:

Sorry, Harry wasn't submerged and left to lie at the bottom of the ocean for quite a bit, someone was around to help, was sent to the hospital instead of a funeral parlor.

It's the coverup that gets them all.

[JUDYFU...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/16/06 9:48:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Virtual...@aol.com writes:

How did Kennedy's injury prevent him from making over 20 verified phone calls to various aides and lawyers before he contacted the Police to rescue the young woman?

haah!    somebody who remembers this stuff!  

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/17/2006 7:46:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, JUDYFU...@aol.com writes:

The fact that alcohol shows up for 72 hours is not a viable point in the Kennedy case.  They had attended a party before the infamous ride so of course he would have alcohol in him, but his level would have gone down significantly by the following morning.   Kennedy may have been gone to a hospital, but it wasn't right away.  It would fit in 'the plan' tho.  

And his INJURIES? Your conspiracy theories leave you blind to a REAL crime & of course Laura Bush, who killed a man racing thru a stop sign on a joyride gets a PASS. Her victim's horrible death is too PAINFUL for HER to talk about. Not a scratch on her, but she demanded help for HERSELF.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/17/2006 7:51:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, JUDYFU...@aol.com writes:

How did Kennedy's injury prevent him from making over 20 verified phone calls to various aides and lawyers before he contacted the Police to rescue the young woman?

haah!    somebody who remembers this stuff!  

He was reported to be babbling incoherently; talking about the canal, not knowing where Mary Jo was & asking where his car was. IF you had ever been in a serious car accident, you MIGHT understand, or if you would READ the facts instead of CONdumb fiction.  Kennedy DIDN'T pull the Laura Bush "HELP ME" routine after the accident, that we know.

[Virtual...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/17/2006 8:42:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

He was reported to be babbling incoherently; talking about the canal, not knowing where Mary Jo was & asking where his car was. IF you had ever been in a serious car accident, you MIGHT understand, or if you would READ the facts instead of CONdumb fiction.  Kennedy DIDN'T pull the Laura Bush "HELP ME" routine after the accident, that we know.

How incoherent can you be if you can recall over 20 phone numbers, dial them, hold long conversations but never have the wherewithal to Dial 0 , ask for the Police and report that a woman is trapped in a car underwater?

 

Would you have us believe that Kennedy's private attorneys were also vacationing on the island at the time? He never went near the Police until they were glued to his side.

[JUDYFU...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/17/06 8:38:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, DJChr...@aol.com writes:

And his INJURIES? Your conspiracy theories leave you blind to a REAL crime & of course Laura Bush, who killed a man racing thru a stop sign on a joyride gets a PASS. Her victim's horrible death is too PAINFUL for HER to talk about. Not a scratch on her, but she demanded help for HERSELF.

I really don't see the relevance of your statement to what I have said.   How am I blind to a REAL crime?   We can't get resolution from Laura's auto accident or Dick's multiple DUIs from their teenage years.   Get real.

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/17/2006 9:51:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, JUDYFU...@aol.com writes:

How am I blind to a REAL crime?   We can't get resolution from Laura's auto accident or Dick's multiple DUIs from their teenage years.   Get real.

The CRIME is a VP that spends his days collecting 10k rifles to PLAY hunter, drinks, shoots somebody, then skips town. The US DESERVES BETTER.

[NT]

DJChr...@aol.com wrote:

Well - what do you expect from a VP who chose himself to run with Bush.  Actually - that decision had been orchestrated years earlier.

 

[DJChr...@aol.com]

In a message dated 2/17/2006 9:40:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, Virtual...@aol.com writes:

Would you have us believe that Kennedy's private attorneys were also vacationing on the island at the time?

Just the medical records CONdumb.