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RNC protests

2008-07-18T17:47:13Z

hey. me and some folks are trying to organize people to go protest/shutdown the RNC convention in Minneapolis in September a la the Seattle WTO mtg. in 1999. there will also be a huge legal anti-war march, etc.....
if anyone on this list is interested in this, please email me back. fighting the likes of the LA family forum and other hardcore GOPers is something i think every atheist can get behind! or if you can't go but want to help in other ways, let me know. we will probably be driving up in a caravan of cars.

Re: { NOSHA } Re: Belief or something else?

2008-07-18T16:14:56Z

i read those sentences to be asking "how do you know your parents are your parents and you are not the spawn of some kind of creatures?"
A much more philosophical question. we don't KNOW our parents are ours, we just believe what people tell us. but it's also less funny that way.

Re: { NOSHA } Belief or something else?

2008-07-18T15:54:18Z

you know, what i was thinking the other day about belief in god was that people believe in God to allow them the courage/stength/energy to do things they might not otherwise do. granted, often these things are fighting for anti-gay-marriage initiatives or inquisitions or taking people's money, but sometimes it's for cooking a big meal and feeding the homeless after a long day of work. i think many of those people probably don't beleive that god ACTUALLY exists in their rational conscious minds, but they allow themselves to believe it in order to give them the extra push they need to carry out tasks they otherwise probably wouldn't do.

Re: { NOSHA } Re: Belief or something else?

2008-07-18T14:38:55Z

That's a great website! It summarizes lots of things I've read in
various books.
Thanks!!! :)
Farrar

Re: { NOSHA } Re: Belief or something else?

2008-07-18T09:40:15Z

"In their first two centuries, the followers of Christ had no particular images of their god. Emerging as they did from Judaism they disdained "idol worship." They were even accused of being atheists. But once the break with Judaism was complete the Christ worshippers rapidly made up the deficiency by adapting for Christian use pagan images, rituals, sacred sites, and symbols.

Re: { NOSHA } Re: Belief or something else?

2008-07-18T05:42:48Z

I wrote an article once that mentioned some of the obvious plagiarisms of
goddess worship for the Cult of the Rape Victim Mary. (In discussing pagan
stories about gods impregnating virgins, Christians call them "rapes.")
There is not a single original feature of Maryolotry. She's just
Isis/Ishtar/Hera/etc. after a baptism. The only interesting question about

Fwd: Action Alert: Tell Sec. Leavitt the "conscience clause" is unconscionable

2008-07-18T03:47:35Z

I have been reading the 'beliefs' thread with great
interest. I hope you don't mind me throwing out this
alert in case you don't get the secular.org notices.
I think this is rather important.
Mims
--- Secular Coalition for America <ale...@secular.org>
wrote:

Re: { NOSHA } Re: Belief or something else?

2008-07-18T03:33:33Z

This reminds me of the great Steven Wright skit where
he goes to a counselor and says 'Now that my
biological parents are dead, I have this urge to go
out and find my adoptive parents. I know they are out
there somewhere...'

Re: { NOSHA } Who's Watching

2008-07-18T02:21:27Z

What a waste of taxpayers' money! (In my humble opinion.)
Farrar

Re: { NOSHA } Re: my experiences Re: Belief or something else?

2008-07-18T02:17:15Z

Yes, it went to the group. But it's nice that someone thought it was
interesting. :)
Farrar

Re: { NOSHA } . . .or something else?

2008-07-18T02:12:44Z

I like the theory which states that religious belief is the result of
evolution: up to a certain age, we absorb everything told to us by our
parents, because it is the quickest way of learning how to stay safe
(e.g. "don't play with the alligators"); and as a byproduct of that
inborn trust, we also believe lies (e.g. "God will punish you"). Both

Who's Watching

2008-07-18T00:46:20Z

It's obvious to the MDSP. If you oppose the death penalty, you must be a terrorist.
Md. ACLU releases docs detailing police monitoring
7/17/2008, 6:35 p.m. CDT
By ALEX DOMINGUEZ
The Associated Press
BALTIMORE (AP) - Undercover Maryland state police officers infiltrated meetings of peace and anti-death penalty groups for more than a year, according to documents released Thursday by the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Re: { NOSHA } Re: my experiences Re: Belief or something else?

2008-07-18T00:07:39Z

Did I just send this back to the group? I was attempting to forward it to
my wife - sorry.

In a message dated 7/17/2008 7:04:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

another interesting NOSHA post on the subject of belief

In a message dated 7/17/2008 12:43:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

Re: { NOSHA } my experiences Re: Belief or something else?

2008-07-18T00:03:56Z

another interesting NOSHA post on the subject of belief

In a message dated 7/17/2008 12:43:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

This is precisely why I rejected the concept of a god: suffering and
death in my family was undeserved in my eyes, and I therefore could not
believe that God was a just and loving entity. You've got me thinking of

Re: { NOSHA } Re: Belief or something else?

2008-07-17T23:04:45Z

The brain anomoly I am most attached to is the ability to read things so they are funnier.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tina Gautreau
To: nosha@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:53 PM
Subject: { NOSHA } Re: Belief or something else?

LOL! OK, that sentence *does* read oddly -- when isolated that way. :-pppppppppp