hi Bryan, nobody answer at this list. but i will try.
I had this problem as well and i fixed, just changing my template, i
think maybe its already part of the core?
It's really hard to help/learn in a project where there is no reliable
communication channel and outdated documentation/plugins are available
to download or read without any warning. What's happen ? An user
download it, try it, nothing works, he cannot find a documentation
and, normally, give up. I would like to add something at wiki but, its
not a open wiki, so i cannot add documentation.
anyway what i made to use the archive was:
i edited my layout.liquid and added the following code:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, VP<pelas...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's really hard to help/learn in a project where there is no reliable > communication channel and outdated documentation/plugins are available > to download or read without any warning.
Well, I don't have any ability to change the website template or the IRC channel title, but I can generally be reached on #mephisto on IRC. Try prefixing your message with "help:", and I should see it.
I try to always reach somebody at irc but without success. it's not a
obligation that anybody answer, everybody has, something better to do
but its a reality. Mephisto is a great blog engine but lacks of
support, basically updated info and a reliable communication channel,
howtos and any kind of documentation. There is a wiki out of date and
not open to any one edit. What's the big point here ? Is mephisto a
serious blogging plataform, that is needing help to be organized,
supported or something that some guys works at the spare time to have
fun? There is any way that we can help it?
VP
For sure everybody
On Jun 16, 4:31 pm, Eric Kidd <eric.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, VP<pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's really hard to help/learn in a project where there is no reliable
> > communication channel and outdated documentation/plugins are available
> > to download or read without any warning.
> Well, I don't have any ability to change the website template or the
> IRC channel title, but I can generally be reached on #mephisto on IRC.
> Try prefixing your message with "help:", and I should see it.
I have to agree with VP. If Mephisto is to have any future as a choice for
other developers, including possible future contributors, then I guess we
have to figure out how to make it more beginner- and user-friendly. Any open
source project depends on interested developers to thrive. The
attractiveness and prestige of this project suffers from the current state
of half-abandonment.
I am also willing to help, and I don't think I'm the only one out there. We
just need to know we can make a difference, otherwise there are other
choices as well!
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, VP <pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Eric.
> I try to always reach somebody at irc but without success. it's not a
> obligation that anybody answer, everybody has, something better to do
> but its a reality. Mephisto is a great blog engine but lacks of
> support, basically updated info and a reliable communication channel,
> howtos and any kind of documentation. There is a wiki out of date and
> not open to any one edit. What's the big point here ? Is mephisto a
> serious blogging plataform, that is needing help to be organized,
> supported or something that some guys works at the spare time to have
> fun? There is any way that we can help it?
> VP
> For sure everybody
> On Jun 16, 4:31 pm, Eric Kidd <eric.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, VP<pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's really hard to help/learn in a project where there is no reliable
> > > communication channel and outdated documentation/plugins are available
> > > to download or read without any warning.
> > Well, I don't have any ability to change the website template or the
> > IRC channel title, but I can generally be reached on #mephisto on IRC.
> > Try prefixing your message with "help:", and I should see it.
- A page without broken links, specially the link to the section named
"documentation"
- Avoid to have more than one page with documentation. everything
related with mephisto must be at mephistoblog.com
- Make clear that some documentation, plugin is out dated.
- Howtos for normal problems
- A wiki that anybody can add documentation
- Next rails conference, that you/we are there, why not do a
presentation about mephisto, how to extend it, how to write plugins,
goals, create a workshop hands-on. this its the best way, together
with documentation, to create a community around it.
- Summer camps, weekend task forces, etc, specially with universities
that you/we have contact
- Find a way to monetize it, donate via paypal is not enough. The idea
is not to make anyone rich but to pay any necessary cost (that it will
always have).
There is any need about hosting, documentation, coding effort, or help
to monetize it or should we just forget mephisto and let it as a toy
to play in our spare time?
On Jun 16, 5:42 pm, Vahagn Hayrapetyan <vaha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to agree with VP. If Mephisto is to have any future as a choice for
> other developers, including possible future contributors, then I guess we
> have to figure out how to make it more beginner- and user-friendly. Any open
> source project depends on interested developers to thrive. The
> attractiveness and prestige of this project suffers from the current state
> of half-abandonment.
> I am also willing to help, and I don't think I'm the only one out there. We
> just need to know we can make a difference, otherwise there are other
> choices as well!
> / Vahagn
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, VP <pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey Eric.
> > I try to always reach somebody at irc but without success. it's not a
> > obligation that anybody answer, everybody has, something better to do
> > but its a reality. Mephisto is a great blog engine but lacks of
> > support, basically updated info and a reliable communication channel,
> > howtos and any kind of documentation. There is a wiki out of date and
> > not open to any one edit. What's the big point here ? Is mephisto a
> > serious blogging plataform, that is needing help to be organized,
> > supported or something that some guys works at the spare time to have
> > fun? There is any way that we can help it?
> > VP
> > For sure everybody
> > On Jun 16, 4:31 pm, Eric Kidd <eric.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, VP<pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > It's really hard to help/learn in a project where there is no reliable
> > > > communication channel and outdated documentation/plugins are available
> > > > to download or read without any warning.
> > > Well, I don't have any ability to change the website template or the
> > > IRC channel title, but I can generally be reached on #mephisto on IRC.
> > > Try prefixing your message with "help:", and I should see it.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM, VP <pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Points that should be done, in my opinion.
> - A page without broken links, specially the link to the section named
> "documentation"
> - Avoid to have more than one page with documentation. everything
> related with mephisto must be at mephistoblog.com
> - Make clear that some documentation, plugin is out dated.
> - Howtos for normal problems
> - A wiki that anybody can add documentation
> - Next rails conference, that you/we are there, why not do a
> presentation about mephisto, how to extend it, how to write plugins,
> goals, create a workshop hands-on. this its the best way, together
> with documentation, to create a community around it.
> - Summer camps, weekend task forces, etc, specially with universities
> that you/we have contact
> - Find a way to monetize it, donate via paypal is not enough. The idea
> is not to make anyone rich but to pay any necessary cost (that it will
> always have).
> There is any need about hosting, documentation, coding effort, or help
> to monetize it or should we just forget mephisto and let it as a toy
> to play in our spare time?
> On Jun 16, 5:42 pm, Vahagn Hayrapetyan <vaha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have to agree with VP. If Mephisto is to have any future as a choice
> for
> > other developers, including possible future contributors, then I guess we
> > have to figure out how to make it more beginner- and user-friendly. Any
> open
> > source project depends on interested developers to thrive. The
> > attractiveness and prestige of this project suffers from the current
> state
> > of half-abandonment.
> > I am also willing to help, and I don't think I'm the only one out there.
> We
> > just need to know we can make a difference, otherwise there are other
> > choices as well!
> > / Vahagn
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, VP <pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hey Eric.
> > > I try to always reach somebody at irc but without success. it's not a
> > > obligation that anybody answer, everybody has, something better to do
> > > but its a reality. Mephisto is a great blog engine but lacks of
> > > support, basically updated info and a reliable communication channel,
> > > howtos and any kind of documentation. There is a wiki out of date and
> > > not open to any one edit. What's the big point here ? Is mephisto a
> > > serious blogging plataform, that is needing help to be organized,
> > > supported or something that some guys works at the spare time to have
> > > fun? There is any way that we can help it?
> > > VP
> > > For sure everybody
> > > On Jun 16, 4:31 pm, Eric Kidd <eric.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, VP<pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > It's really hard to help/learn in a project where there is no
> reliable
> > > > > communication channel and outdated documentation/plugins are
> available
> > > > > to download or read without any warning.
> > > > Well, I don't have any ability to change the website template or the
> > > > IRC channel title, but I can generally be reached on #mephisto on
> IRC.
> > > > Try prefixing your message with "help:", and I should see it.
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM, VP <pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Points that should be done, in my opinion.
> > - A page without broken links, specially the link to the section named
> > "documentation"
> > - Avoid to have more than one page with documentation. everything
> > related with mephisto must be at mephistoblog.com
> > - Make clear that some documentation, plugin is out dated.
> > - Howtos for normal problems
> > - A wiki that anybody can add documentation
> > - Next rails conference, that you/we are there, why not do a
> > presentation about mephisto, how to extend it, how to write plugins,
> > goals, create a workshop hands-on. this its the best way, together
> > with documentation, to create a community around it.
> > - Summer camps, weekend task forces, etc, specially with universities
> > that you/we have contact
> > - Find a way to monetize it, donate via paypal is not enough. The idea
> > is not to make anyone rich but to pay any necessary cost (that it will
> > always have).
> > There is any need about hosting, documentation, coding effort, or help
> > to monetize it or should we just forget mephisto and let it as a toy
> > to play in our spare time?
> > On Jun 16, 5:42 pm, Vahagn Hayrapetyan <vaha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have to agree with VP. If Mephisto is to have any future as a choice
> > for
> > > other developers, including possible future contributors, then I guess we
> > > have to figure out how to make it more beginner- and user-friendly. Any
> > open
> > > source project depends on interested developers to thrive. The
> > > attractiveness and prestige of this project suffers from the current
> > state
> > > of half-abandonment.
> > > I am also willing to help, and I don't think I'm the only one out there.
> > We
> > > just need to know we can make a difference, otherwise there are other
> > > choices as well!
> > > / Vahagn
> > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, VP <pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hey Eric.
> > > > I try to always reach somebody at irc but without success. it's not a
> > > > obligation that anybody answer, everybody has, something better to do
> > > > but its a reality. Mephisto is a great blog engine but lacks of
> > > > support, basically updated info and a reliable communication channel,
> > > > howtos and any kind of documentation. There is a wiki out of date and
> > > > not open to any one edit. What's the big point here ? Is mephisto a
> > > > serious blogging plataform, that is needing help to be organized,
> > > > supported or something that some guys works at the spare time to have
> > > > fun? There is any way that we can help it?
> > > > VP
> > > > For sure everybody
> > > > On Jun 16, 4:31 pm, Eric Kidd <eric.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, VP<pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > It's really hard to help/learn in a project where there is no
> > reliable
> > > > > > communication channel and outdated documentation/plugins are
> > available
> > > > > > to download or read without any warning.
> > > > > Well, I don't have any ability to change the website template or the
> > > > > IRC channel title, but I can generally be reached on #mephisto on
> > IRC.
> > > > > Try prefixing your message with "help:", and I should see it.
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:50 PM, sly <sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > I could host the wiki for mephisto if the mephisto team is interested.
If you search the archives for the MephistoBlog group, you'll see that the wiki contents are mostly salvaged and living on somebody's GitHub wiki. This whole discussion comes up about once a month, but unfortunately, I can't do very much about it, because I don't have administrative access to the blog and thus I can't edit the links to the old wiki.
Ideally, I'd like to host the wiki contents on Github for now (it seems safest).
If somebody is interested in moving the Mephisto wiki contents into technoweenie/mephisto wiki on GitHub (it that even possible?), I can try to get in touch with Rick and get him to fix the page template.
And as previously noted, I'm on #mephisto for at least 12 hours out of 24 (most days), and you can get my attention by typing "help:".
I think the point is less about whose account the wiki will be on and more
about deciding upon a definitive account where it can be maintained
collectively by the community, as all normal wikis do.
You say that there's not much you can because of lack of rights. Then maybe
we need to get the attention of the person who does have them? The fact that
this discussion comes up once a month, as you write, is proof that something
needs to be done here.
Or maybe we can forget the old wiki and start a new one, import the old
entries, and start building it out?
So upon closer examination, there seems to be at least 2 different ways the
problem can be solved!
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Eric Kidd <eric.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:50 PM, sly <sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I could host the wiki for mephisto if the mephisto team is interested.
> If you search the archives for the MephistoBlog group, you'll see that the
> wiki contents are mostly salvaged and living on somebody's GitHub wiki. This
> whole discussion comes up about once a month, but unfortunately, I can't do
> very much about it, because I don't have administrative access to the blog
> and thus I can't edit the links to the old wiki.
> Ideally, I'd like to host the wiki contents on Github for now (it seems
> safest).
> If somebody is interested in moving the Mephisto wiki contents into
> technoweenie/mephisto wiki on GitHub (it that even possible?), I can try to
> get in touch with Rick and get him to fix the page template.
> And as previously noted, I'm on #mephisto for at least 12 hours out of 24
> (most days), and you can get my attention by typing "help:".
Eric,
As i can see, you are a guy that tries to make it happens, but not the
responsible. Who is responsible for mephisto? Can he delegate this
responsibility for you ? Or for a group of ppl or as i asked before it
is his personal pet project that is receiving more attention that he
wants?
On Jun 22, 9:36 am, Vahagn Hayrapetyan <vaha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the point is less about whose account the wiki will be on and more
> about deciding upon a definitive account where it can be maintained
> collectively by the community, as all normal wikis do.
> You say that there's not much you can because of lack of rights. Then maybe
> we need to get the attention of the person who does have them? The fact that
> this discussion comes up once a month, as you write, is proof that something
> needs to be done here.
> Or maybe we can forget the old wiki and start a new one, import the old
> entries, and start building it out?
> So upon closer examination, there seems to be at least 2 different ways the
> problem can be solved!
> All the best,
> Vahagn
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Eric Kidd <eric.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:50 PM, sly <sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I could host the wiki for mephisto if the mephisto team is interested.
> > If you search the archives for the MephistoBlog group, you'll see that the
> > wiki contents are mostly salvaged and living on somebody's GitHub wiki. This
> > whole discussion comes up about once a month, but unfortunately, I can't do
> > very much about it, because I don't have administrative access to the blog
> > and thus I can't edit the links to the old wiki.
> > Ideally, I'd like to host the wiki contents on Github for now (it seems
> > safest).
> > If somebody is interested in moving the Mephisto wiki contents into
> > technoweenie/mephisto wiki on GitHub (it that even possible?), I can try to
> > get in touch with Rick and get him to fix the page template.
> > And as previously noted, I'm on #mephisto for at least 12 hours out of 24
> > (most days), and you can get my attention by typing "help:".
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Eric Kidd<eric.k...@gmail.com> wrote: > If you search the archives for the MephistoBlog group, you'll see that the > wiki contents are mostly salvaged and living on somebody's GitHub wiki. This > whole discussion comes up about once a month, but unfortunately, I can't do > very much about it, because I don't have administrative access to the blog > and thus I can't edit the links to the old wiki.
whois for mephistoblog.com shows:
Administrative Contact [1657836]: Rick, Olson technowee...@gmail.com ENTP 618 NW Glisan # 406 Portland OR 97209 US Phone: +1.2108453488
Rick: Are you on this mailing list? (MephistoBlog@googlegroups.com) There are people on the list who are interested in helping update the mephistoblog.com site, but they don't have the administrative rights to do so.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Earl Ruby <m...@earlruby.org> wrote: > Rick: Are you on this mailing list? (MephistoBlog@googlegroups.com) > There are people on the list who are interested in helping update the > mephistoblog.com site, but they don't have the administrative rights > to do so.
Rick, if you're reading this, could you please point the three mephistoblog.com links "Documentation" (at the top of the page), "Wiki" (in the sidebar) and "Step-by-step tutorial" (in the sidebar) to pages on http://wiki.github.com/technoweenie/mephisto ? That would allow people to recreate the Mephisto wiki at a new address, and it would fix the broken Stikipad links. Thank you!
I would do this myself, but I don't have the necessary permissions to edit the mephistoblog.com theme.
I used to work at a company where we managed a bunch of sites on
Mephisto, and I've skinned it quite a few times in different
situations. If we can brainstorm structure/topics, I volunteer to
write some basic tutorials (e.g. on using tags to do common publishing
tasks).
-TR
On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Vahagn Hayrapetyan wrote:
> I have to agree with VP. If Mephisto is to have any future as a
> choice for other developers, including possible future contributors,
> then I guess we have to figure out how to make it more beginner- and
> user-friendly. Any open source project depends on interested
> developers to thrive. The attractiveness and prestige of this
> project suffers from the current state of half-abandonment.
> I am also willing to help, and I don't think I'm the only one out
> there. We just need to know we can make a difference, otherwise
> there are other choices as well!
> / Vahagn
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, VP <pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Eric.
> I try to always reach somebody at irc but without success. it's not a
> obligation that anybody answer, everybody has, something better to do
> but its a reality. Mephisto is a great blog engine but lacks of
> support, basically updated info and a reliable communication channel,
> howtos and any kind of documentation. There is a wiki out of date and
> not open to any one edit. What's the big point here ? Is mephisto a
> serious blogging plataform, that is needing help to be organized,
> supported or something that some guys works at the spare time to have
> fun? There is any way that we can help it?
> VP
> For sure everybody
> On Jun 16, 4:31 pm, Eric Kidd <eric.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, VP<pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's really hard to help/learn in a project where there is no
> reliable
> > > communication channel and outdated documentation/plugins are
> available
> > > to download or read without any warning.
> > Well, I don't have any ability to change the website template or the
> > IRC channel title, but I can generally be reached on #mephisto on
> IRC.
> > Try prefixing your message with "help:", and I should see it.
I don' think Rick sees this (it would otherwise seem that he's completely
ignoring the discussion). Unless I'm mistaken he's currently working at
ENTP:
> +1
> I used to work at a company where we managed a bunch of sites on Mephisto,
> and I've skinned it quite a few times in different situations. If we can
> brainstorm structure/topics, I volunteer to write some basic tutorials (e.g.
> on using tags to do common publishing tasks).
> -TR
> On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Vahagn Hayrapetyan wrote:
> I have to agree with VP. If Mephisto is to have any future as a choice for
> other developers, including possible future contributors, then I guess we
> have to figure out how to make it more beginner- and user-friendly. Any open
> source project depends on interested developers to thrive. The
> attractiveness and prestige of this project suffers from the current state
> of half-abandonment.
> I am also willing to help, and I don't think I'm the only one out there. We
> just need to know we can make a difference, otherwise there are other
> choices as well!
> / Vahagn
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:12 PM, VP <pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Eric.
>> I try to always reach somebody at irc but without success. it's not a
>> obligation that anybody answer, everybody has, something better to do
>> but its a reality. Mephisto is a great blog engine but lacks of
>> support, basically updated info and a reliable communication channel,
>> howtos and any kind of documentation. There is a wiki out of date and
>> not open to any one edit. What's the big point here ? Is mephisto a
>> serious blogging plataform, that is needing help to be organized,
>> supported or something that some guys works at the spare time to have
>> fun? There is any way that we can help it?
>> VP
>> For sure everybody
>> On Jun 16, 4:31 pm, Eric Kidd <eric.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, VP<pelas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > It's really hard to help/learn in a project where there is no reliable
>> > > communication channel and outdated documentation/plugins are available
>> > > to download or read without any warning.
>> > Well, I don't have any ability to change the website template or the
>> > IRC channel title, but I can generally be reached on #mephisto on IRC.
>> > Try prefixing your message with "help:", and I should see it.
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