[MT-L] Question CAP requirement GEN.40530 Specimen Tracking Phase I

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Timothy...@sshosp.org

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May 24, 2012, 8:06:44 AM5/24/12
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Hello There,
How are other MT sites meeting the below requirement??

GEN.40530 Specimen Tracking Phase I
For specimens submitted to the laboratory from remote sites, there is a documented tracking
system to ensure that all specimens are actually received.
NOTE: Documentation should include time of dispatch and receipt, as well as condition of specimens
upon receipt. An example of an acceptable tracking system is submission of a packing list (prepared
by the client or courier) with each batch of client specimens, which may be checked against the
specimens received by the laboratory. Some laboratory tests (e.g. coagulation assays) have
limitations on time and temperature conditions between collection and analysis. This requirement
applies to couriers/transportation systems that are part of the laboratory organization, not to outside
courier systems.
Evidence of Compliance:
Specimen shipping/transport logs AND
Records of follow up for specimens not received

For our off sites which utilize our Meditech, I plan on setting up a "site batch" report that they can print with all the specimens they are sending. On the report will be a spot for pick up time, drop off time...etc.

How are sites handling pick ups at non-affiliated Dr offices which don't use MT? These usually come to us on paper req's with the specimen.

Any info is greatly appreciated.

Thanks


Timothy J. Rogers
Clinical Applications Specialist II
Information Systems
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Bosworth, Kathryn

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May 24, 2012, 8:38:35 AM5/24/12
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We utilize the site batch routines for our off-site phlebotomy draw stations and also for our reference lab specimens. We are MAGIC 5.64.

 

Kathryn Bosworth BSMT(ASCP)

LIS Coordinator

Columbia Memorial Hospital

71 Prospect Ave

Hudson, NY  12534

Office: (518) 828-8129

Mobile: (518) 653-8466




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Birkenholz, Karen

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May 24, 2012, 10:29:30 AM5/24/12
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We use Meditech site batches for our off site draw stations and we have manual courier logs that we use for the doctors offices. We ask them to complete the log but if they are "too busy" we will do it. No matter who fills it out we require someone from the office to initial it to indicate that the number of tubes etc match with what we are picking up.
 
Thank you,
Karen Birkenholz, MT(ASCP)
LIS Analyst
Norman Regional Laboratory Services


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Freeman, Gale

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May 24, 2012, 8:54:05 AM5/24/12
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We are in NYS , Client server 5.65 ..Here is what our chemistry supervisor said..

The places keep logs of what they send us and we process the Protime’s first when they come in so they meet the time frame for collection to process.  We have worked on that for years to get it so it is appropriate.  We also have the courier buckets with ice packs, etc… to keep cold.  We have never been cited for this, but we are inspected by NYSDOH and not CAP.   mkk

Hope this helps. 

Gale 


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Furbush,Debra

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May 24, 2012, 2:47:18 PM5/24/12
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We have been CAP for years and were originally keeping this information in a MS database which required information to be entered again specific to the patient.  As we worked on our ISO accreditation 2-3 years ago, we came up with a way to record this in Meditech and then use NPR to extract it.  We are magic 5.64 PP14.  We created a LAB PAT CDS screen loading in all the queries we needed to record.  Once we decided what we needed on this screen, we then duplicated them several times in case the same account was used for multiple days/draws.  It allows us to record what specimens/containers received, date and time of pickup, date and time of delivery to lab, lab and origin tracking numbers, whether it was spun or unspun, problems with the specimen, and paperwork issues.  There are several NPR reports that then tabulate data from this screen such as any specimen that had certain issues, or had incorrect paperwork accompanying it.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Debra S. Furbush

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Wood, Carrie L

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May 24, 2012, 3:05:12 PM5/24/12
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Is there a way to keep unverified medications from coming over to the EMAR?
 
Thanks
 
Carrie L. Wood R.N.
Princeton Community Hospital
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Princeton, WV 24740
 
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Melissa Wyant

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May 24, 2012, 3:51:09 PM5/24/12
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For Magic this is set up in the Enter/Edit eMAR Access Dictionary.  On page two there is a list of Y/N options for including on the eMAR  The first option is PHA/POM Unverified orders.  If this is set to N then the orders do not appear on the eMAR.
 
Melissa
 
Melissa Wyant, R.Ph.
Pharmacy Application Analyst, IS
Holyoke Medical Center
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Chris Dickerman

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May 24, 2012, 3:06:57 PM5/24/12
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If you are C/S 5.64 or 5.65 there is a custom from Meditech to block these until verified by the pharmacy.

 

Chris

Leona Bizier

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May 24, 2012, 3:09:35 PM5/24/12
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eMar access.

 

Leona Bizier

Pharmacy Analyst

Sturdy Memorial Hospital Inc.

Attleboro MA 02703

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Pam Lasiter

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May 24, 2012, 3:50:30 PM5/24/12
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Hi Carrie,

If you are Magic it's on page 2 of  NUR eMAR access:
Include PHA/POM Unverified Orders?    N

Pam Lasiter, RN BSN
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Chicoine, Doris J

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May 25, 2012, 11:29:45 AM5/25/12
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Yes, I don't remember how.  Your PHA specialist should know.  I think this is something they set for you.
Our unverified orders do NOT show on eMAR but neither I nor my PCS cohort can remember how to do that, just that we remember answering "no" to a verbal question asking about it.   So, we are assuming an MT specialist would do this.  Where you can view this parameter, neither one of us know.  We can't find it.
 
Doris


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Wood, Carrie L

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May 25, 2012, 11:11:58 AM5/25/12
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Thanks to everyone for their responses! 
Turns out that in Meditech Client Server we do not have that option on our EMAR access dictionary to decide if we want unverified medications to go to our EMAR.    We have to get a custom to keep the  Unverified medications off of our emar.  I would think that something like this should be throughout  all of the modules.
 
Thanks Again for all the responses!
 
 
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Jeff Lee

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May 29, 2012, 1:39:33 PM5/29/12
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We’re having a good discussion about this workflow here right now.  I am curious how well this is working for those who are suppressing unverified orders on eMAR.  My concern is in the stat/urgent scenario.  I’m assuming that the pharmacist is verifying the order(s).  Does this lead to situations where the nursing staff are unaware of urgent orders that pharmacy can not yet process for any number of reasons?  Does this lead at times to unnecessary patient delays?

 

We are considering to allow unverified orders (including pending orders to let nurses know the progress on unresolved/pending orders) to show on the eMAR, but including an eMAR rule to block (or warn) of the unverified status.  I’m concerned with suppressing the knowledge of a POM order from nurses, assuming pharmacy can respond to all stat/urgent orders 24x7 to meet the patient needs.  It seems to me that if pharmacy could do this in the pre-CPOE world, why did we ever allow any medications be overrrideable from dispensing machines?

 

Jeff

 


Melissa Wyant

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May 30, 2012, 12:47:24 PM5/30/12
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Jeff,
Even if you suppress the unverified meds from the eMAR the nurse still sees them on their Status Board for acknowledgment (this is independent of the eMAR setting).  The Status Board is what our nurses use to see all new orders and it has been working well for them. 
 
As for the STAT orders -  shouldn't the provider be communicating with the nurse about the order if they are placing it as a STAT.  Verbal communication is still necessary in an electronic world.  We continually remind all staff (providers,  nurses and pharmacists) about this.
 
Melissa
 
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Holyoke Medical Center
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Tim McCombs

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May 29, 2012, 4:41:31 PM5/29/12
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Do you want it off because nursing is giving these to the patient anyway, without documenting it?  (We prevent administration until the order is Verified and Acknowledged.)  Or is there something else I am missing?

 

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May 30, 2012, 3:18:35 PM5/30/12
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Hello

 

We are Magic 5.64. The unverified orders here do not flow to the eMAR.  However, the

unverified orders, which includes the pending orders, can be seen via the status board.

We are looking into a possible custom to just have pending orders appear on the eMAR.

Dan Hawrot, RPh
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Jeff Lee

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May 31, 2012, 1:35:23 PM5/31/12
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That is pretty much in line with the decision we just made to:

1)               allow RNs only to acknowledge orders

2)               display unverified meds on eMAR for RNs, but not LPNs

3)               block administration of unverifieds on eMAR using a rule, with the exception of those that have a STAT direction.

 

One of our primary concerns was to have a system where “someone” could use the eMAR/BMV system to administer urgent orders (prior to verification); else we felt we would be encouraging the practice of giving meds outside of the BMV process and late documenting.

 

Thanks for the comments.

Jeff

 


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I encourage displaying unverified orders on the eMAR so the nurses are t least aware of the medication. However, I also recommend not allowing administration/documentation of unverified meds. This can be accomplished by use of a Rule (pre- 6.0 at least) that displays a warning to the user and will not allow administration on a med if it is unverified.

 

In the instances of a STAT order, if necessary the nurse can override the med from a dispensing machine, generate the one-time order for documentation purposes, and when pharmacy verifies the order they can link it to the override to prevent duplicate orders / double admins.

 

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Ray Fernandez

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I encourage displaying unverified orders on the eMAR so the nurses are t least aware of the medication. However, I also recommend not allowing administration/documentation of unverified meds. This can be accomplished by use of a Rule (pre- 6.0 at least) that displays a warning to the user and will not allow administration on a med if it is unverified.

 

In the instances of a STAT order, if necessary the nurse can override the med from a dispensing machine, generate the one-time order for documentation purposes, and when pharmacy verifies the order they can link it to the override to prevent duplicate orders / double admins.

 

Sincerely,

Raymond Fernandez

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