Fwd: [MTB Rides] military police on the MT ridge lines
Beatrice Dormoy
Bea
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [MTB Rides] military police on the MT ridge lines
> From: Phil Moses <pbm...@ucsd.edu>
> To: Beatrice Dormoy <beatric...@cox.net>
> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:50:38 -0700
>
> Bea,
> I will try to make it out there.
>
>
> There is a lot of misinformation that is being spread, I can only share
> what I know from attending meetings first hand.
>
> The land is surely not all military property. There are many private
> parcels in the spring/oak area. Some of these properties have been
> "prioritized" to be the most important to be purchased. The energy Co
> that is proposing a power plant at the dump has offered to purchase the
> priority properties for mitigation land to hand over to the park. Talk
> about selling out, the CAC (from what I saw) was in full support of the
> power plant if these properties are purchased.
>
> Concerning spring and oak, possibly the most important document right
> now is the map that is attached of property ownership.
>
>
> There have been attempts in the past to purchase properties along the
> Stowe trail for access. As far as I know the deals fell through due to
> cost negotiations.
>
> Dianne Jacobs has been working on finding a solution.
>
> There is no plan for a link from MTRP, under the 52, to
> Sycamore/Elliot/etc. I asked this directly at a previous meeting as was
> told there would be no direct connection.
>
>
> The following are the master plan workshop briefs from last year:
> http://www.ktuaprojects.com/mtrp/mtrpdoclist.html#PW1
>
> or the March 31, 2011 Public Workshop 2:
>
> http://www.ktuaprojects.com/mtrp/mtrpdoclist.html#PW2
>
> or the June 9, 2011 Public Workshop 3:
>
> http://www.ktuaprojects.com/mtrp/mtrpdoclist.html#PW3
>
>
> Gardner Grady is no longer the SDMBA president, it is now Rod Simmons.
>
>
> I have a plethora of information and quite a... ummm.. history with
> MTRP, as I've been going to CAC meetings there for many years. I cannot
> say my relationship with them is good. The CAC runs the park as their
> own, they are very conservative and as far as I've found the MTRP
> foundation (that runs the park with the city) is sitting on roughly 2.5
> million dollars.
>
> I can share plenty of info but just returned from vacation so I am
> pressed for time today.
>
> Phil
> On Mon, 2012-04-09 at 11:36 -0700, Beatrice Dormoy wrote:
> > Please see below. Hope you can make it
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >
> > > From: Bob Ponting <bob.p...@gmail.com>
> > > Date: April 9, 2012 11:00:07 AM PDT
> > > To: mtbr...@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [MTB Rides] military police on the MT ridge lines
> > > Reply-To: mtbr...@googlegroups.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > Fox 5 News is doing a story on the Marine crackdown in Sycamore
> > > Canyon today. We'd like to talk to anyone who was actually stopped
> > > while riding up Sycamore, Oak or Spring canyons. If you're willing
> > > to go on camera, please contact John Langeler
> > > (jlan...@tribune.com). He's planning to report from the trailhead
> > > at Medina Drive at 5 and 6 p.m. We hope there will be some bikers
> > > there this afternoon for him to interview live about why access to
> > > Sycamore Canyon is important to them.
> > >
> > > Bob Ponting
> > > fox5sandiego.com
> > > 858-210-5084
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Annette Johnston
> > > <ape...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > The land is owned by the Navy. Cnty. Supervisor Diane Jacob
> > > is aware of it. If you want more information, contact her
> > > office. Also SDMBA is well aware of the issues and you can
> > > contact Gardner Grady the president. I hope your are a
> > > member of SDMBA, they fight for our trials. Regards,
> > > Annette and Steve Johnston
> > >
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Jan Charvat <j...@cox.net>
> > > To: mtbr...@googlegroups.com
> > >
> > > Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 20:42:44 GMT+00:00
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [MTB Rides] military police on the MT
> > > ridge lines
> > >
> > >
> > > I like to ride there, as well, so let's try and
> > > figure out whom to contact before the military guys
> > > get their way simply because no one stands up to
> > > them.
> > > Who does the land belong to? City of SD? Santee? Is
> > > it part of Mission Gorge Trail park? Etc.
> > > Once we know--or think we know--I am willing to
> > > contact the appropriate agency/city to clarify
> > > ownership and access.
> > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 8, 2012, at 13:31 , Beatrice Dormoy wrote:
> > >
> > > > My friend’s response:
> > > > No, they didn't fine me, just a verbal warning.
> > > > Initially they asked for ID, I BS'ed with the guy
> > > > for a while and talked to him about the property
> > > > boundaries and he let me leave.
> > > > They are enforcing areas which really are not
> > > > Miramar property, however, they claimed all land
> > > > between the 52 and Santee lakes is theirs, it is
> > > > not.
> > > >
> > > > From: mtbr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mtbr...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Frank Luna
> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:05 PM
> > > > To: mtbr...@googlegroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [MTB Rides] military police on the MT
> > > > ridge lines
> > > >
> > > > And what did they do, issue a ticket???
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > From: Beatrice Dormoy <beatric...@cox.net>
> > > > To: "mtbr...@googlegroups.com"
> > > > <mtbr...@googlegroups.com>, "m...@sdbc.org"
> > > > <m...@sdbc.org>
> > > > Cc: 'Jim and Angela Wimberly'
> > > > <needmor...@yahoo.com>
> > > > Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 02:57:03 GMT+00:00
> > > > Subject: [MTB Rides] military police on the MT
> > > > ridge lines
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It’s not just Sycamore, I just got this message
> > > > from a friend:
> > > > Stay off the ridgelines near
> > > > Miramar/spring/oak/etc on the weekends. After
> > > > riding the place for 6+ years, I got stopped by
> > > > military and federal police this morning out
> > > > there.
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