Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's Pioneer
S.D. Sharma
You are 110% correct that there is diference of opinion.
ms Rundhati Roy is 110% correct that Kashmir is not integral part of India and this is historical fact. Kashmir enjoys special status under India's Constition under the accession of Maharaja to India. India is a federation of states, each state negotiates its union with India. kashmir negotiated its accession to India. Unilaterally the agreement cannot be changed by one side unless through the force of arms. If India has Imperialist ambistions then the proper thing to do is it use our neutron bomb and peacefully eliminate all Muslims in Kashmri since there are only about 4.000. pandits left in Kashmir who would gladly become martyrs to final solution of kashmir problem
S D Sharma
Friends,
My Article in today's Pioneer presenting my views on the case related with Ms Arundhati Roy, Mr Geelani etc.
There would certainly be difference on opinion on this but I personally stick to the opinion presented by me here.
http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/THEPIONEER/PIONEER/2010/11/04/ArticleHtmls/04_11_2010_009_030.shtml?Mode=1
As an alternative link-
http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/Thepioneer/Pioneer/2010/11/04/index.shtml
Amitabh Thakur
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Currently at IIM Lucknow
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S.D. Sharma
S D Sharma
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Sujit Patwardhan
I think Irfan Khan did not realise that perhaps Mr S.D Sharma was being sarcastic. If you see his earlier email in this thread it appears that his second email is commenting sarcastically.
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S.D. Sharma
Some IPS has written in newspaper that Arundhti Roy should be hanged for saying Kashmir is not integral part of India is histrorical fact.
Roy is 110% correct, Kashmir is a part of J&K state and State of Jammu and Kashmir is integral part of india till either union if India is unable to retain it or both parties dissolve agreement. whereas lawful govt of India is clear, there is no clarity on who lawful govt of "Kashmir" is.
Solutions for India are simple inside Constition of India.
1) Promote resettlement of army personnel / retired in Jammu and Ladakh
2) reverse population imbalance caused by ethnic cleansing.
3) Impelemnt family planning striclty in muslim dominated areas of kashmir
4) reclaim POK by military force.
5) bann all religious prayer meetings thoughout J&K
6) repeal RTI Act in J&K
7) withdraw Army and CRPF from civilian areas of kashmir. It is policing problem let JK police sort it. If state govt machinerry cannot solve problem, sack abdullahs and put governors rule.
S D Sharma
S.D. Sharma
You tell me how many muslims won any medal for india at CWG 2010
(Not even 1% of india medal winers were muslim when 15% of population)
is hema malini muslim or hindu ? hema malini is not any wife of
dharmendra and isha deol is a bastard.
S D sharma
Mahendra Kumar Gupta
Urvi Sukul Singh
irfan khan
S.D. Sharma
1. I only state facts
2.The law applicable in Dharmendra"s case is Indian penal Code, for defrauding a woman that she is marrioed to him. also criminal breach of trust, section 498A and so forth
3. the case you are referring in supreme court is "Sarla Mudgal & Ors v UoI" in 1995 which declared that colorable conversiosn to islam for marroage are illegal and marriages are void.
4. In Dharmendra\Hema case the marriage was by Hindu rituals because Dharmedra gave forged divorce certificate to hema of prakash kaur. See the picture http://www.bollywoodweddings.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/dharmendra-hema-malini.jpg
You are very correct about "unity" this group is only about unity of all rti stakeholders who are pure, honest and can digest the truth.
You want to stay at rti4empowerment@yahoogroup because that is the only group for useless, faltoo and dishonest persons starting from the moderator there Dhirendra Krishna who cheated crores from BHEL.
S D Sharma
S.D. Sharma
you arm chair intellectual sit safely in Delhi and do buddhijeevi. unlike Arunadhati roy, I live in J*K full time to face threats on daily basis from deshdrohis. you may have muslim brother & sisters but no pundit will even sit and take sip of water from their hands. Why dont you go to see condition of J&K hindu refugees are being put in in capital city of India - New Delhi. lliving in open shed with tin roofs & no water or latrine for 10 years now while manmohan singh is sucking from Italians ladies.
no need to apology. follow my formula, throw all muslims out of India, make India economic paradise and all traitors will run to come to India like Bangladesh and Nepal persons
S D sharma
VB Singh
Owner / Moderator/ Fraud / Faker (whosoever you are)
You have added this ID also in your fake group. Keep on adding whatever ID you have in your fake group. This shows how you are real Harami having no guts to face people in open.
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Urvi Sukul Singh
Urvi Sukul Singh
M.K. Gupta
From: Urvi Sukul Singh <usuku...@hotmail.com>
To: humja...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 6 November, 2010 6:31:25 PM
VB Singh
| Mr. SD Sharma is an active member of a group, owner / moderators of which are claiming to be " RTI Experts" and frequently abuse others who do not tow to their style. His message in this group clear the cloud regarding "the real owner / moderators" of this fake group who is / are adding the Ids of all and sundry without consent. |
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S.D. Sharma
So many people are creating differences between communities and using RTI.
you reside in Delhi. have you heard of "eminent Delhi based RTI
activist Afroz Alam Sahil" who is now campaigning for political party
in his native place Bihar ? other award goes to another Bihar based
MUSLIM RTI network.
Read this story, the prize distribution is on 4.Dec.2010, Please go an
throw 2 chappals on my behalf.
http://twocircles.net/2010nov03/tcn_annual_awards_2010_winners_announced.html
S D Sharma
S.D. Sharma
But Indian muslims cannot afford to have more than 1 wife because polticians
and their religious leaders keep them economically backward..
S D Sharma
Prashant Bhushan
Raminder Singh
Sorry to have to say this, but what is utterly absurd and ridiculous is when people like you who are expected to be speaking out for Arundhati Roy keep silent in public groups.
An IPS officer Mr Amitabh Thakur has published an article in the Daily Pioneer calling for charges of sedition to be framed against her. As an IPS officer Mr Thakur can be presumed to know something about the law - Indian Penal Code. Mr Thakur's article is the subject of this thread. Another IPS officer (Mr Sharma) has publicly supported your client's statement about the integrity of J+K to India. When persons like you keep silent, then you have no moral right to demand that this group be wound up. Incidentally how did you join this group?
Raminder
Urvi Sukul Singh
Dr. Jagnarain Sharma
Yes this group platform should not be used for raising
issues which are touchy, like kashmiri pundit and Muslim. One must be
careful while commenting and to my mind it is absurd to discuss this
issue.
Regards
Dr JN Sharma
ADVOCATE/HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
bimal khemani
Dear moderator
I AM FED UP WITH ALL THE bakawas IN THIS FORUM
KINDLY DELETE MY NAME FROM THE MAILING LIST
Bimal Khemani
RTI activist
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INDIA
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Harsh
Kindly immediately remove my name from this group as well. I find many of the exchanges on it distasteful and disrespectful.
I have repeatedly asked for my name to be removed, but it does not happen. Please ensure.
Regards
Harsh Mander
From:
humja...@googlegroups.com [mailto:humja...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raminder Singh
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:27 PM
To: humja...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy
in today's Pioneer
Hello Mr Bhushan
PMK1504
Mr Sharma is a valued member / resource person for this group.
I must regretfully inform you that we cannot accede to your request
for the present.
PMK1504
PMK1504
From the records, you are not a member of this group It appears that
messages from this group are reaching you from a forwarding facility
associated with [rti4empowerment] @yahoogroups from which you have
also previously attempted to unsubscribe, and from which facility
emails may be seamlessly posted to this group in addition. As you are
caught up in some sort of private war between moderators of 2 other
mailing lists you may request them to unsubscribe you. The previous
correspondence is appended below for your reference
PMK
"Dear Shri Mander,
You are not in the mailing list of yahoo groups rti4ngo and rti4empowerment,
initiated by me. Therefore I can not help in unsubscribing.
Group rti_india is managed by Shri Sarbjit Roy He is being requested to do
the needful. You can also unsubscribe by sending email to
rti_india-unsubscribe@...
With best wishes,
Dhirendra Krishna
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Harsh Mander <manderharsh@...>wrote:
> dear dhirendraji,
> i have been trying desperately to unsubscribe. do please rndure, i will be
> grateful.
> warm regards,
> harsh mander
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dhirendra Krishna" <
> Dhirendra.rti@...>
> To: <rti_india@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re:"You may also note that public servants are
> prohibited from joining / postin
>
>
> Dear Shri Roy,
>
> It is a matter of interpretation, Sir.
>
> You and I, as moderators of RTI related groups are not the competent
> authority to interpret the provisions of CCS (Conduct) Rules and Govt. of
> India decisions there-under. We can only decide on the objectives of the
> Internet group and act as a moderator.
>
> RTI Act is a law passed by the Parliament and Government is required to
> implement it. If an Internet group is a "movement" to voice citizen's
> concern about its non implementation, I believe that it is not an activity
> to embarrass or excite dissatisfaction against the Government. As a matter
> of fact, most of the RTI applications demand public records that may
> embarrass Government. If you carefully look at the preamble of RTI Act, the
> enactment is for transparency of information for holding Government
> accountable to the governed. It is further stated therein that transparency
> of information is vital for containing corruption. If we believe in
> paramountcy of the democratic ideal, public servants should be aware of the
> deep anguish of the citizens on issues arising from lack of transparency.
>
> RTI Act intends to usher in transparent and accountable public
> administration. In my humble opinion ( and also in the opinion of
> Administrative Reforms Commission on RTI implementation) every public
> servant should be aware of RTI Act, so that they can fulfill the
> obligations
> of public authority in letter and spirit. At the nascent stage of
> implementation of RTI Act, there are controversies and some of these
> debatable issues are aired in the Internet group. Every *good* public
> servant should not only be aware of citizen's concern about unsatisfactory
> implementation of RTI Act and issues revealed by use of RTI Act by
> citizens.
> If membership of Internet groups enables Government servants to become
> aware
> of these issues, it is in public interest for them to remain as Member of
> such group.
>
> Let us leave it to the Government to give their decisions under CCS
> (Conduct) Rules; it is not for the moderator on groups to decide one way
> or
> the other. If the Government ever decides to ban membership of RTI related
> Internet groups for Government employees, there are adequate grounds for
> public interest litigation against it. This could be an interesting debate
> before the Supreme Court !
>
> For the present, none of the RTI related groups have been banned under CCS
> (Conduct) Rules. It is not for moderators (like you and me) to dissuade
> public servant from Membership.
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Dhirendra Krishna IA&AS (Retired)
> Moderator,
> Yahoo groups rti4ngo and rti4empwerment.
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:31 AM, sroy1947 <sroy1947@...> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Dear Mr Krishna
>>
>> Many thanks for the Govt decision (of Finance Ministry). It supports our
>> view that direct participation of Govt servants in SPECIALISED "political"
>> internet groups such as ours is restricted. It is always open to any Govt
>> to
>> ban a group or clarify that a groups ex-facie falls within the mischief of
>> Rule 5, but such action cannot be an exhaustive compendium.
>>
>> The ilustrative explanation to the old rule holds political movement to
>> include "any movement or activities tending directly or indirectly to
>> excite
>> disaffection against, or to embarrass, the
>> Government as by law established" .. I think our groups fall squarely
>> within such definition.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> --- In rti_india@... <rti_india%40yahoogroups.com>, Dhirendra
>> Krishna <Dhirendra.rti@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Shri Sarbajit,
>> >
>> > This has been clarified in Government of India Decision number 1, given
>> > below.
>> >
>> > In my humble opinion, if a Government servant participates in an >
>> internet
>> > discussion group, it does not amount to "taking part in politics or
>> > election" OR "assisting political movement or activity." Each officer is
>> > required to judge for himself (or herself) whether participation in
>> internet
>> > group dealing with citizen's right to information is a violation of Rule
>> 5
>> > of CCS (Conduct) Rule- depending on activities and content of each >
>> group.
>> If
>> > he/she has any doubts, his/her superior can be consulted.
>> >
>> > Several organisations have been specifically banned by the Government
>> > under Rule 5 as per various Government decision under Rule 5; none of >
>> the
>> > internet discussion groups have been banned. As such there is no bar on
>> > Government servants membership of any internet group. Your or my opinion
>> > does not matter; it is for the Government of India to frame conduct >
>> rules
>> > for the Government servants.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dhirendra Krishna
>> >
>>
>> ....................................................................................................................................................
>> >
>> > Government of India Decisions
>> >
>> > (1) Participation of Government servants in political activities
>> >
>> > Doubts have been raised recently as to the scope of Rule 23 (i) of the
>> > Government Servants Conduct Rules (now Rule 5) which lays down that no
>> > Government servant shall take part in, subscribe in aid of, or assist in
>> any
>> > way, any political movement in India or relating to Indian affairs.
>> > According to the Explanation (not in the new rule) to that clause, the
>> > expression "political movement" includes any movement or activities
>> tending
>> > directly or indirectly to excite disaffection against, or to embarrass,
>> the
>> > Government as by law established or to promote feelings of hatred of
>> enemity
>> > between classes of His Majesty's subjects or disturb the public peace.
>> This
>> > explanation is only illustrative and is not intended in any sense, to be
>> an
>> > exhaustive definition of "political movement". Whether or not the aims
>> and
>> > activities of any organization are political is a question of fact which
>> has
>> > to be decided on the merits of each case. It is, in the opinion of
>> > Government, necessary, however, that the Government servants under the
>> > Ministry of Finance etc. should be warned that –
>> >
>> > (a) it is the duty of the Government servant who wishes to join, or take
>> > part in the activities of any association or organization positively to
>> > satisfy himself that its aim and activities are not of such a nature as
>> are
>> > likely to be objectionable under Rule 23 of the Government Servants'
>> Conduct
>> > Rules (now rule 5); and
>> >
>> > (b) the responsibility for the consequences of his decision and action
>> must
>> > rest squarely on his shoulders and that a plea of ignorance or
>> misconception
>> > as to Government's attitude towards the association or organization >
>> would
>> > not be tenable.
>> >
>> > It should also be impressed on them that, in cases where the slightest
>> doubt
>> > exists as to whether participation in the activities of an association >
>> or
>> > orgaisation involves as infringement of Rule 23 (now Rule 5), the
>> Government
>> > servant would be well advised to consult his official superiors.
>> >
>> > [MHA OM No. 25/44/49-Ests (A), dated 17.09.1949]
>> >
>> > "Government of India Decisions
>> >
>> > (1) Participation of Government servants in political activities
>> >
>> > Doubts have been raised recently as to the scope of Rule 23 (i) of the
>> > Government Servants Conduct Rules (now Rule 5) which lays down that no
>> > Government servant shall take part in, subscribe in aid of, or assist in
>> any
>> > way, any political movement in India or relating to Indian affairs.
>> > According to the Explanation (not in the new rule) to that clause, the
>> > expression "political movement" includes any movement or activities
>> tending
>> > directly or indirectly to excite disaffection against, or to embarrass,
>> the
>> > Government as by law established or to promote feelings of hatred of
>> enemity
>> > between classes of His Majesty's subjects or disturb the public peace.
>> This
>> > explanation is only illustrative and is not intended in any sense, to be
>> an
>> > exhaustive definition of "political movement". Whether or not the aims
>> and
>> > activities of any organization are political is a question of fact which
>> has
>> > to be decided on the merits of each case. It is, in the opinion of
>> > Government, necessary, however, that the Government servants under the
>> > Ministry of Finance etc. should be warned that –
>> >
>> > (a) it is the duty of the Government servant who wishes to join, or take
>> > part in the activities of any association or organization positively to
>> > satisfy himself that its aim and activities are not of such a nature as
>> are
>> > likely to be objectionable under Rule 23 of the Government Servants'
>> Conduct
>> > Rules (now rule 5); and
>> >
>> > (b) the responsibility for the consequences of his decision and action
>> must
>> > rest squarely on his shoulders and that a plea of ignorance or
>> misconception
>> > as to Government's attitude towards the association or organization >
>> would
>> > not be tenable.
>> >
>> > It should also be impressed on them that, in cases where the slightest
>> doubt
>> > exists as to whether participation in the activities of an association >
>> or
>> > orgaisation involves as infringement of Rule 23 (now Rule 5), the
>> Government
>> > servant would be well advised to consult his official superiors.
>> >
>> > [MHA OM No. 25/44/49-Ests (A), dated 17.09.1949]"
>> >
>>
>> ............................................................................................................................................................
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:34 AM, sroy1947 <sroy1947@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Many Thanks
>> > >
>> > > Gov servants are restricted from OPENLY associating with groups such >
>> > as
>> > > "RTI_India" , "RTI4ngo" (of which Mr Krishna is Moderator) etc which
>> are
>> > > listed in "Politics" category of Yahoo groups. As Moderators it is our
>> duty
>> > > to facilitate participation of ALL citizens in RTI processes - and
>> anonymous
>> > > participation is one of the methods open to us.
>> > >
>> > > Sarbajit
kgg...@yahoo.co.in
Then at least tell him not to spew senseless venom like this.
In anticipation of not getting a regret filled response from you again,
Kind regards.
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
Gopalkrishnan iyer
To me it appears all together different. Kashmir problem is a tool used by both by Indian and Pakistani politicians as a tool to meet their ends to hoodwink 'innocent' people of these contries. And the itch is over 60 years old, have become chronic by now , the two sides cannot dispense with this much needed problem !! In both contries millions are wriggling under accute poverty with no one( particularly those supposed to)appearing to care for! If we consider human is one let us moot a world body like UN to monitor both countries, give each a task to eliminate poverty in their respective country. Who ever eliminate poverty in their country, if Pakistan eliminates poverty first they deserve Jammu and Kashmi, and if India eliminate poverty first J & K should go to India. In other words eliminating poverty from the globe is of prime importance than any other issue !! At the same time the jobless politicians, bureaucrats and the powers that be would have some meaningful job to do rather than hammerring the wedge further down increasing the divide ! Even the enemies would like to compromise any demand for PEACE --- On Sat, 6/11/10, Mahendra Kumar Gupta <mkgup...@gmail.com> wrote: |
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VB Singh
Dear kgg...@yahoo.co.in
Do you know who is owner / moderator of this "FAKE" group and how your ID has been added in the group? If yes please let me know. The owner of this "FAKE" group is a spammer poisoning the thought process of members by adding their Ids without their consent.
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