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From: "sidekick" <sidek...@gmail.com>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:53:02 -0000
Local: Tues, May 24 2005 12:53 pm
Subject: About Hompy Forum
Willsin 在他的Blog的留言，寫了如下提問：
1.為什麼Hompy Forum 封鎖了Sidekick 的Forum (內有關的thread)?
2.為什麼連Forum
Subject都在未徵得當事人(sidekick)同意之下改了？
3.為什麼Hompy Admin
要千方百計迴護這個抄文抄到離譜的Blogger?
1 及 2
，都是我想知道的。剛巧本想寫一篇文放在自己的blog,
亦有1, 2, 的提問，
後來因接收icq 的incoming URL 蓋過了，真不巧...
因為第1
點，令我們未能看到Hompy其他會員的精彩回應，覺得很遺憾呢！
如果，覺得盜用他人文章沒有問題是大部份的會員，那麼，我會建議突破機構繼網上日記與青少年調查後，下一個研究課題，是網上日記與青少年的知識產權概 念之類的題目。
至於3, 我沒意見。
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From: "細仔" <speechless...@gmail.com>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:58:50 -0000
Local: Tues, May 24 2005 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
鎖題是因為我見到有置身事外的人火上加油.
而我覺得他們的comment並不中立(有人攻擊sidekick),
因此鎖題避免事件進一步受影響.
至於維護, 得知事件後,
我們已立即要求該用戶作出道歉.
在我們forum的其他topic中我亦已提出對有關問題之立場.
撫心自問並無任可維護企途.
謝
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From: Regina Yeung <regin...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 01:16:54 +0800
Local: Tues, May 24 2005 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
question 1:因為細仔驚人多口雜,"講多錯多"，要將事件低調地"平息於萌芽狀態中"?
question 2: 原因同上，減低該帖title的觸目度，Admin可能以"此帖會引起紛爭破壞Forum和平環境"為由而改title及lock帖
question 3: 正觀望HOMPY會否有進一步行動
On 5/25/05, sidekick <sidek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Willsin 在他的Blog的留言，寫了如下提問：
> 1.為什麼Hompy Forum 封鎖了Sidekick 的Forum (內有關的thread)?
> 2.為什麼連Forum
> Subject都在未徵得當事人(sidekick)同意之下改了？
> 3.為什麼Hompy Admin
> 要千方百計迴護這個抄文抄到離譜的Blogger?
> 1 及 2
> ，都是我想知道的。剛巧本想寫一篇文放在自己的blog,
> 亦有1, 2, 的提問，
> 後來因接收icq 的incoming URL 蓋過了，真不巧...
> 因為第1
> 點，令我們未能看到Hompy其他會員的"精彩回應"，覺得很遺憾呢！
> 如果，覺得盜用他人文章沒有問題是大部份的會員，那麼，我會建議"突破機構"繼"網上日記與青少年調查"後，下一個研究課題，是"網上日記與青少年的知識產權概 念"之類的題目。
> 至於3, 我沒意見。
Regina
My Blog:
http://absolutregina.blogspot.com
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From: "細仔" <speechless...@gmail.com>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:27:06 -0700
Local: Tues, May 24 2005 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
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From: "Cloudless.Net" <sun...@gmail.com>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:59:00 -0700
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
第一和第二點的做法極為官僚。Forum中出現不同意見很正常，沒有必要封鎖topic。有人攻擊Sidekick也應該給Sidekick辯護的機會，或讓大 家公開討論。擅自改subject更不要得，簡直在利用極權。
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From: momo...@doramail.comDate: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:14:05 -0700
Local: Tues, May 24 2005 11:14 pm
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
會員不自重，那個媒體也會被拖垮。
經過這次，Hompy或Now.com的形象被好幾個人拖下來，我想blog界的朋友也會以此為鑒。
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From: sidekick <sidek...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:26:32 +0800
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 12:26 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
給Hompy 細仔的話:
睇怕你o地有大把教育工作要做...
而家問題有二,
1/ tat 冇認到自己係"刻意抄襲". ( 所以撻昨晚的道歉無效)
2/ 而班o靚仔亦認為就算撻o野都冇問題...
如果hompy 唔快d 同班o靚仔講明呢兩點,
同講明hompy "條款"上已寫明唔準撻o野, 繼續由得班o靚仔亂講.
我估大家真係會覺得有需要整個blog, 將tat d 文逐篇對證.
到時, 唯恐 hompy 個名會有影響...
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From: "pig" <florap...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 04:32:54 -0000
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 12:32 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
似乎香港blogger推廣 blog
不只是網上日記既同時還應推廣良好既blog 文化。
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From: Regina Yeung <regin...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:36:29 +0800
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 12:36 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
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From: Regina Yeung <regin...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:46:01 +0800
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 12:46 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
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From: Sputnik <sputnik1...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:49:45 +0800
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 1:49 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
歪理一堆!
不過呢句啱: "網路既好處就係大家見唔到樣,冇左面對面既恐懼感,
亦都唔雖要顧及自己形象,有某部分人就借呢點,
做一D平日自己唔會做同講既野,講左唔洗負責任丫麻"
<==因為個撻唔駛顧及自己形象, 又以為自己唔駛負責任, 所以咪大肆抄文囉!
(不過個撻平日有冇做開呢D野,真係唔知啦~)
講得好!
在 2005/5/25，Madboy <leesin...@yahoo.com> 撰寫：
> 另外希望Hompy版主能夠對以下謠言作出澄清。
> 因為我們並不認識當事人。
> http://forum.netvigator.com/forum/thread.jspa?threadID=56112&start=12...
> 思念的潮漲●靚佬
> Re: 當一個人屈完機扮冇屈機，就會咁講
> 張貼於: 2005年5月25日 下午12:55
> 其實件事由頭到尾都唔關top
> one,抄文,按F5,列出處,版權問題
> 只係要人處處針對,撻撻我諗你都估到果個人係邊個,
> 所以大家都唔再需要為別人既指摘而煩惱,
> 既然別人有心惡意攻擊,又唔用自己ACC,
> 大家既理論同分析都係徙然,你就算做好晒以上問題,
> HOMPY只有原創文章同圖片,相信別人都會用第種方式攻擊你,
> 網路既好處就係大家見唔到樣,冇左面對面既恐懼感,
> 亦都唔雖要顧及自己形象,有某部分人就借呢點,
> 做一D平日自己唔會做同講既野,講左唔洗負責任丫麻,
> 咁你仲理佢做咩?
> http://hompy.netvigator.com/main/page/vikingwong
> 再者說說我的好友，好友今期可以話係做左箭靶，先唔講版權與抄文問題，好友的Hompy內每一篇文章都被人攻擊，可見對方功課做足，亦非一日之事，大家亦明白到 攻擊者既用意，明顯係處心積慮......
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From: sidekick <sidek...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:55:05 +0800
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 1:55 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
頭先click 進去vikingwong個hompy, 見到佢show o左我o個hompy條link 出o黎,
原來佢講緊"明顯係處心積慮......"o既人係我!
有趣! :)
On 5/25/05, Sputnik <sputnik1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 歪理一堆! > 不過呢句啱: "網路既好處就係大家見唔到樣,冇左面對面既恐懼感, > 亦都唔雖要顧及自己形象,有某部分人就借呢點, > 做一D平日自己唔會做同講既野,講左唔洗負責任丫麻" > <==因為個撻唔駛顧及自己形象, 又以為自己唔駛負責任, 所以咪大肆抄文囉! > (不過個撻平日有冇做開呢D野,真係唔知啦~) > 講得好!
> 在 2005/5/25，Madboy <leesin...@yahoo.com> 撰寫：
> > 另外希望Hompy版主能夠對以下謠言作出澄清。
> > 因為我們並不認識當事人。
> http://forum.netvigator.com/forum/thread.jspa?threadID=56112&start=12...
> > 思念的潮漲●靚佬
> > Re: 當一個人屈完機扮冇屈機，就會咁講
> > 張貼於: 2005年5月25日 下午12:55
> > 其實件事由頭到尾都唔關top
> > one,抄文,按F5,列出處,版權問題
> > 只係要人處處針對,撻撻我諗你都估到果個人係邊個,
> > 所以大家都唔再需要為別人既指摘而煩惱,
> > 既然別人有心惡意攻擊,又唔用自己ACC,
> > 大家既理論同分析都係徙然,你就算做好晒以上問題,
> > HOMPY只有原創文章同圖片,相信別人都會用第種方式攻擊你,
> > 網路既好處就係大家見唔到樣,冇左面對面既恐懼感,
> > 亦都唔雖要顧及自己形象,有某部分人就借呢點,
> > 做一D平日自己唔會做同講既野,講左唔洗負責任丫麻,
> > 咁你仲理佢做咩?
> > http://hompy.netvigator.com/main/page/vikingwong
> 再者說說我的好友，好友今期可以話係做左箭靶，先唔講版權與抄文問題，好友的Hompy內每一篇文章都被人攻擊，可見對方功課做足，亦非一日之事，大家亦明白到 攻擊者既用意，明顯係處心積慮......
sidekick
My blog
http://sidekick.myblog.hk
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From: "catho7" <cat...@gmail.com>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:58:12 -0700
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 1:58 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
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From: sidekick <sidek...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:02:50 +0800
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 2:02 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
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From: Sputnik <sputnik1...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:07:31 +0800
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 2:07 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
都好!
唔怕得罪講句,個度D人, 好陰謀論!
在 2005/5/25，sidekick <sidek...@gmail.com> 撰寫：
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From: "catho7" <cat...@gmail.com>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:11:05 -0700
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 2:11 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
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From: "pig" <florap...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 07:11:26 -0000
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 3:11 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
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Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 07:51:21 -0000
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 3:51 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
pig wrote:
> 有些東西是forum 的特色，無可避免。
剛看了now.com
forum的admin牛肉及幾位訪客(我想是我們這方的人)留言,
其實有道理也不野蠻,
我0地借住機會,同hompy一齊推動blog風氣,總比為三言兩語執著好,
佢0地一句"在其他blog發生會如何",
實在值得我0地所謂團結的senior
blogger深思下一步應走的...
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From: sidekick <sidek...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:59:09 +0800
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 3:59 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
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From: "公子 Reny" <makaikou...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 01:17:25 -0700
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 4:17 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
>可見對方功課做足，亦非一日之事
什麼? 她是第一天用互聯網還是沒有聽過 google？(笑)
即使是一頁頁看，全部看完也不是什麼出奇事吧。
只怪我們沒有處心積累地天天派人 check 某人的
blog。嘆！
再說「唔抵得」，呸！就是「唔抵得」，不值使用卑鄙手段的人風風光光地高談闊論。狐朋狗黨笑曰「分享不是罪」。要是人人以分享為名而退罪，什麼填詞人協會、唱片 協會吃什麼？(笑)
我們寫論文為什麼又要在後面寫那大串的麻煩資料來源？
另，hompy 好像沒有 trackback/ping
trackback。如果有此功能，情況也許好丁點，不，有沒有人用/懂得用也是另一個問題了。
很少看一個討論區看得如此火氣！
now
這次大件事了，因為它造了另一個「白色地域」，還是說香港早已白色遍野？說回來，很感謝蛋撻，她令我知道了
hompy forum 是一個令人去了一次不會再去的禁地。
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From: bencant...@gmail.comDate: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:18:25 -0000
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 5:18 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
各位朋友,
件事既然都真相大白喇,
而當事人都道左歉喇!
何不就咁算呢!
誰對誰錯而家都一清二楚喇!
再咁落去對大家都冇益嫁,係咪?
不如大家俾D心機諗下點樣防止類似事件再發生仲好喇!
我基本上就唔識蛋撻既,
只不過我識『皇宮』好多人,
我覺得佢地係forum講野係亂來D.
但唔代表佢地唔係好人,
唔代表佢地係蠻不講理!
起碼知道真相後,
D人講野都中肯左喇!
所以希望各位朋友大方D..
原諒佢喇!
我亦都明白俾人抄襲既憤怒,
但係既然人地都聲明道歉囉.
何不大方D..接受佢,原諒佢.
等人覺得你地係有理智,明白事理的HK Blogger.
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From: "pig" <florap...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:36:31 -0000
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 5:36 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
可唔可以同Hompy及知識產權署合辦一D有關知識產權既野？
Set 個網頁都好丫
不過最好有D法律人界仕答下問題
（會唔會大貪左D？）
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From: sidekick <sidek...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:42:47 +0800
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 5:42 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
我唔認為我有咁好魄力~
On 5/25/05, pig <florap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 可唔可以同Hompy及知識產權署合辦一D有關知識產權既野？
> Set 個網頁都好丫
不過最好有D法律人界仕答下問題
> （會唔會大貪左D？）
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Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:20:34 -0000
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 6:20 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
其實以你地四圍用blog唱hompy個會員抄0野0既時間
足夠去做有餘啦
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From: sidekick <sidek...@gmail.com>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 18:40:24 +0800
Local: Wed, May 25 2005 6:40 am
Subject: Re: About Hompy Forum
fonton,
某程度上, 所言甚是...
一直都有在討論中提及可在hkbloggers.com之類的地方,
加一些關於版權的資料. 如果你有讀相關文章, 相信你已看到.
而我在個人的blog, 亦寫過不少的關於blogosphere的文章.
我只是覺得PIG的建議太大範模,
不是你所言的"足夠去做有餘啦". 始終, 我們都是在業餘時間寫寫blog而已.
在教育方面,
其實之前的Blog is Blog 事件, 我們的聯署信都有加上Creative Commons 的聲明,
你可以參考一下:
http://blog-you.com/archives/blog-is-blog
想多補充一點, 這個newsgroup 是公開的, 不屬於特定的任何人/組織.
而發言的朋友, 不等於就是同一班人. 有些朋友, 我是全然不認識的.
連是否Blogger 都不肯定 (他們的電郵我不認得, 亦沒有留下URL)
而在Hompy Forum 針對抄文事件的人, 亦不就等於就是hkblogger .
敬希垂注。
On 5/25/05, fong...@gmail.com <fong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 其實以你地四圍用blog唱hompy個會員抄0野0既時間
> 足夠去做有餘啦
--
sidekick
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http://sidekick.myblog.hk
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