> but....
> "Verification status: NOT VERIFIED
> We were unable to verify your file due to a server timeout."
> first of all, site is on my dedicated server, and server is not
> slow... not at all.
> network is also fast [dedicated server is at hetzner.de network]
> secondly, domain .rs is new domain [started before 10 days], and maybe
> it is a problem, maybe google can not recognize it?
> thrid... i tried verification via meta tag - error is the same...
> timeout.
> I checked logs, google is not accessed googlef25a7007d6aba295.html
> but, google bots is normally accessing site, all the time.
I didn't have DNS in SOA records....
I'm not sure this was a problem, because I don't have it for all my
domains - and all my domains is verified successfuly.
however, I fixed it now.
now everything is correct in my DNS... you can check.
But, I got still the same error in webmaster tools - server timeout.
OK, I will wait 48 hours, maybe google cached DNS.
I will check again after 48h.
but maybe someone from google support can check problem, and say it
for sure ?
> > but....
> > "Verification status: NOT VERIFIED
> > We were unable to verify your file due to a server timeout."
> > first of all, site is on my dedicated server, and server is not
> > slow... not at all.
> > network is also fast [dedicated server is at hetzner.de network]
> > secondly, domain .rs is new domain [started before 10 days], and maybe
> > it is a problem, maybe google can not recognize it?
> > thrid... i tried verification via meta tag - error is the same...
> > timeout.
> > I checked logs, google is not accessed googlef25a7007d6aba295.html
> > but, google bots is normally accessing site, all the time.
Getting comprehensive information from whois - whichever applies for
the tld - is all part of the verification process, though maybe
indirectly.
Let's put it this way - if we cannot get whois info, we cannot test
properly any dns problems. Google needs smooth dns resolution, with no
snags. Not all ISPs check the same information when looking up a
domain - so having an impeccable dns zone is imperative.
I asked about the connection with vesti.ru because the cache link
failed for vesti.rs - and this should not happen. In addition Google
asked about wanting to see anything concerning vesti.ru .
I already saw that there exists a domain vesti.co.yu (can't miss it,
it's in the logo on vesti.rs) and it gets 301 redirected to vesti.rs .
Fine.
Kind of funny that all the links in the top menu point to the
homepage.
Congrats, the homepage is valid :) A rare thing to be sure.
But I also see lots of pages with either the same title or with titles
all starting with Vesti.rs .
Make all titles different especially starting from the left.
So instead of:
Vesti.rs :: Ekonomija
Vesti.rs :: Kultura
they should be:
Ekonomija :: Vesti.rs
Kultura :: Vesti.rs
In fact longer titles may be even better. They would be very useful to
index the content of the pages, not just the existence of the page.
Also lots of pages have this same description snippet:
Izbor vesti. Vesti Dana · Politika · Drutvo · Ekonomija · Svet ·
ivot · Hronika · Kultura · Sport · Zabava · HiTech · Reportae ·
Razno ...
Probably it shows the menu listing. Might not have an actual
description meta tag on the page, or it's too short. Seems to be the
case with many pages. if at all possible longer description meta tags
should be provided, of course all different from page to page. If
that's not possible consider manipulating the menu div with css and z-
index so it appears where it does but comes lower in the source code,
so that actual page content is first found so it provides a good
snippet.
Is 10.03.2008 the date you registered this domain? If so then it's
been indexed phenomenally fast!
10. march is a day when .rs domains began to work.
.rs is new domain for Serbia.
previous domain was .yu.
yes, my previous site was vesti.co.yu
On 10 march I automaticly got vesti.rs, and I simply moved all content
from vesti.co.yu to vesti.rs, and put 301 redirect.
Many co.yu sites will do it... .yu domain will not be in use anymore.
Google can not block all .rs domains becouse .rs does not have
standard whois service :)
Before 10 march, I successfuly verified vesti.co.yu.
but, .yu domain also does not have whois.
however, verification was successful.
so, I'm not sure if whois a problem.
however, I can not do anything about it, whois service is a RS-TLD
job.
Connection with vesti.ru does not exists, absolutly.
"vesti" means "news" on serbian language, but also in russian
language.
So, it is a common word.
Other connections does not exists.
Thank you for suggestion about title, meta tags, and css.
We will fix it.
We are not hiding any content, not spaming... my company is always
search-friendly, we never risked our reputation.
I will check with our designer why CSS is not valid, and why SPAM
detector is showing warnings.
But, as I can see, this 'div' blocks does not show text because they
show image, and text is there for search engines, to know what is on
that block.
This is like 'alt' property in 'img' tag.
Always used only in navigation. This words are mostly in a title on
other pages.
Hidden text is mostly one word [title of image, or title of a page
that is linked].
Are you suggest to remove that words?
But still I'm not sure how this can be affect verification.
Whole this site is succesfuly verified before as vesti.co.yu - the
same pages... the same CSS.
I'm afraid this is a problem for all .rs domains...
Those issues dont' affect verificaiton. They may affect indexing -
though the site is indexed, hwo well it performs depends on how
optimized the content is.
The hidden text can bring about some penalties if not careful. If a
site is already in trouble this can just make it worse.
Try to find a differnet way of doing those things which won't trigger
the spam detector.
It's possible that after fixing the DNS problem all will be OK.
If you still cannot verify the site maybe the server/firewall are
specifically blocking Googlebot - by IP address range maybe.
Though the typical message would be suggesting network unreachable.
> 10. march is a day when .rs domains began to work.
> .rs is new domain for Serbia.
> previous domain was .yu.
> yes, my previous site was vesti.co.yu
> On 10 march I automaticly got vesti.rs, and I simply moved all content
> from vesti.co.yu to vesti.rs, and put 301 redirect.
> Many co.yu sites will do it... .yu domain will not be in use anymore.
> Google can not block all .rs domains becouse .rs does not have
> standard whois service :)
> Before 10 march, I successfuly verified vesti.co.yu.
> but, .yu domain also does not have whois.
> however, verification was successful.
> so, I'm not sure if whois a problem.
> however, I can not do anything about it, whois service is a RS-TLD
> job.
> Connection with vesti.ru does not exists, absolutly.
> "vesti" means "news" on serbian language, but also in russian
> language.
> So, it is a common word.
> Other connections does not exists.
> Thank you for suggestion about title, meta tags, and css.
> We will fix it.
> We are not hiding any content, not spaming... my company is always
> search-friendly, we never risked our reputation.
> I will check with our designer why CSS is not valid, and why SPAM
> detector is showing warnings.
> But, as I can see, this 'div' blocks does not show text because they
> show image, and text is there for search engines, to know what is on
> that block.
> This is like 'alt' property in 'img' tag.
> Always used only in navigation. This words are mostly in a title on
> other pages.
> Hidden text is mostly one word [title of image, or title of a page
> that is linked].
> Are you suggest to remove that words?
> But still I'm not sure how this can be affect verification.
> Whole this site is succesfuly verified before as vesti.co.yu - the
> same pages... the same CSS.
> I'm afraid this is a problem for all .rs domains...
btw, the same problem is with www.dis.rs - server timeout.
that site have only one page, w3c valid :)
google is not firewalled, I'm pretty sure...
I administrating my server...
that's why I'm afraid all .rs domains are affected.
but I will try to find at least one person that successfuly
verified .rs domain.
btw, I think vesti.rs are penalized.
you can not find site if you search "vesti.rs"
http://www.google.com/search?q=vesti.rs SERP is also fall down, no one can find my site on google.
> Those issues dont' affect verificaiton. They may affect indexing -
> though the site is indexed, hwo well it performs depends on how
> optimized the content is.
> The hidden text can bring about some penalties if not careful. If a
> site is already in trouble this can just make it worse.
> Try to find a differnet way of doing those things which won't trigger
> the spam detector.
> It's possible that after fixing the DNS problem all will be OK.
> If you still cannot verify the site maybe the server/firewall are
> specifically blocking Googlebot - by IP address range maybe.
> Though the typical message would be suggesting network unreachable.
> > 10. march is a day when .rs domains began to work.
> > .rs is new domain for Serbia.
> > previous domain was .yu.
> > yes, my previous site was vesti.co.yu
> > On 10 march I automaticly got vesti.rs, and I simply moved all content
> > from vesti.co.yu to vesti.rs, and put 301 redirect.
> > Many co.yu sites will do it... .yu domain will not be in use anymore.
> > Google can not block all .rs domains becouse .rs does not have
> > standard whois service :)
> > Before 10 march, I successfuly verified vesti.co.yu.
> > but, .yu domain also does not have whois.
> > however, verification was successful.
> > so, I'm not sure if whois a problem.
> > however, I can not do anything about it, whois service is a RS-TLD
> > job.
> > Connection with vesti.ru does not exists, absolutly.
> > "vesti" means "news" on serbian language, but also in russian
> > language.
> > So, it is a common word.
> > Other connections does not exists.
> > Thank you for suggestion about title, meta tags, and css.
> > We will fix it.
> > We are not hiding any content, not spaming... my company is always
> > search-friendly, we never risked our reputation.
> > I will check with our designer why CSS is not valid, and why SPAM
> > detector is showing warnings.
> > But, as I can see, this 'div' blocks does not show text because they
> > show image, and text is there for search engines, to know what is on
> > that block.
> > This is like 'alt' property in 'img' tag.
> > Always used only in navigation. This words are mostly in a title on
> > other pages.
> > Hidden text is mostly one word [title of image, or title of a page
> > that is linked].
> > Are you suggest to remove that words?
> > But still I'm not sure how this can be affect verification.
> > Whole this site is succesfuly verified before as vesti.co.yu - the
> > same pages... the same CSS.
> > I'm afraid this is a problem for all .rs domains...
It didnt' find your site. it foudn other with the same text.
My quesiotn now is: is the content on thsi site original or is it
repackaged from other news sites?
Because this would be a major problem, Google doesn't like to index
mutliple copies of the same stuff, and more and more it's preventing
it, even if in the past it did it a lot.
> btw, the same problem is withwww.dis.rs- server timeout.
> that site have only one page, w3c valid :)
> google is not firewalled, I'm pretty sure...
> I administrating my server...
> that's why I'm afraid all .rs domains are affected.
> but I will try to find at least one person that successfuly
> verified .rs domain.
> btw, I think vesti.rs are penalized.
> you can not find site if you search "vesti.rs"http://www.google.com/search?q=vesti.rs > SERP is also fall down, no one can find my site on google.
> we will remove div tags that hide text, and fix title/meta...
> will see...
> On 23 мар, 19:58, webado wrote:
> > Those issues dont' affect verificaiton. They may affect indexing -
> > though the site is indexed, hwo well it performs depends on how
> > optimized the content is.
> > The hidden text can bring about some penalties if not careful. If a
> > site is already in trouble this can just make it worse.
> > Try to find a differnet way of doing those things which won't trigger
> > the spam detector.
> > It's possible that after fixing the DNS problem all will be OK.
> > If you still cannot verify the site maybe the server/firewall are
> > specifically blocking Googlebot - by IP address range maybe.
> > Though the typical message would be suggesting network unreachable.
> > On Mar 23, 2:19 pm, Predrag Damnjanovic wrote:
> > > First of all, thank you for helping me.
> > > 10. march is a day when .rs domains began to work.
> > > .rs is new domain for Serbia.
> > > previous domain was .yu.
> > > yes, my previous site was vesti.co.yu
> > > On 10 march I automaticly got vesti.rs, and I simply moved all content
> > > from vesti.co.yu to vesti.rs, and put 301 redirect.
> > > Many co.yu sites will do it... .yu domain will not be in use anymore.
> > > Google can not block all .rs domains becouse .rs does not have
> > > standard whois service :)
> > > Before 10 march, I successfuly verified vesti.co.yu.
> > > but, .yu domain also does not have whois.
> > > however, verification was successful.
> > > so, I'm not sure if whois a problem.
> > > however, I can not do anything about it, whois service is a RS-TLD
> > > job.
> > > Connection with vesti.ru does not exists, absolutly.
> > > "vesti" means "news" on serbian language, but also in russian
> > > language.
> > > So, it is a common word.
> > > Other connections does not exists.
> > > Thank you for suggestion about title, meta tags, and css.
> > > We will fix it.
> > > We are not hiding any content, not spaming... my company is always
> > > search-friendly, we never risked our reputation.
> > > I will check with our designer why CSS is not valid, and why SPAM
> > > detector is showing warnings.
> > > But, as I can see, this 'div' blocks does not show text because they
> > > show image, and text is there for search engines, to know what is on
> > > that block.
> > > This is like 'alt' property in 'img' tag.
> > > Always used only in navigation. This words are mostly in a title on
> > > other pages.
> > > Hidden text is mostly one word [title of image, or title of a page
> > > that is linked].
> > > Are you suggest to remove that words?
> > > But still I'm not sure how this can be affect verification.
> > > Whole this site is succesfuly verified before as vesti.co.yu - the
> > > same pages... the same CSS.
> > > I'm afraid this is a problem for all .rs domains...- Hide quoted text -
my site is actually RSS agregator of all news in my country.
so, it is not original content.
this is not only news agregator in my country, you also have www.naslovi.net with the same function.
Naslovi.net also have content from other site, btw, that site have
about 30.000 visitors from google every day.
so, duplicated content is not a problem here.
It wasn't problem when my site was on co.yu domain.
I removed invisible text from navigation, also fixed CSS.
http://tool.motoricerca.info/spam-detector/ now is reporting OK
status.
I must wait designer to validate CSS for 2.0 standard.
on CSS 2.1 everythink is valid.
maybe google is in a middle of reindexing.
I just know that my search positions is fall dawn.
that afraid me that my site is penalized...
> It didnt' find your site. it foudn other with the same text.
> My quesiotn now is: is the content on thsi site original or is it
> repackaged from other news sites?
> Because this would be a major problem, Google doesn't like to index
> mutliple copies of the same stuff, and more and more it's preventing
> it, even if in the past it did it a lot.
> On Mar 23, 6:15 pm, Predrag Damnjanovic wrote:
> > btw, the same problem is withwww.dis.rs-server timeout.
> > that site have only one page, w3c valid :)
> > google is not firewalled, I'm pretty sure...
> > I administrating my server...
> > that's why I'm afraid all .rs domains are affected.
> > but I will try to find at least one person that successfuly
> > verified .rs domain.
> > btw, I think vesti.rs are penalized.
> > you can not find site if you search "vesti.rs"http://www.google.com/search?q=vesti.rs > > SERP is also fall down, no one can find my site on google.
> > we will remove div tags that hide text, and fix title/meta...
> > will see...
> > On 23 мар, 19:58, webado wrote:
> > > Those issues dont' affect verificaiton. They may affect indexing -
> > > though the site is indexed, hwo well it performs depends on how
> > > optimized the content is.
> > > The hidden text can bring about some penalties if not careful. If a
> > > site is already in trouble this can just make it worse.
> > > Try to find a differnet way of doing those things which won't trigger
> > > the spam detector.
> > > It's possible that after fixing the DNS problem all will be OK.
> > > If you still cannot verify the site maybe the server/firewall are
> > > specifically blocking Googlebot - by IP address range maybe.
> > > Though the typical message would be suggesting network unreachable.
> > > On Mar 23, 2:19 pm, Predrag Damnjanovic wrote:
> > > > First of all, thank you for helping me.
> > > > 10. march is a day when .rs domains began to work.
> > > > .rs is new domain for Serbia.
> > > > previous domain was .yu.
> > > > yes, my previous site was vesti.co.yu
> > > > On 10 march I automaticly got vesti.rs, and I simply moved all content
> > > > from vesti.co.yu to vesti.rs, and put 301 redirect.
> > > > Many co.yu sites will do it... .yu domain will not be in use anymore.
> > > > Google can not block all .rs domains becouse .rs does not have
> > > > standard whois service :)
> > > > Before 10 march, I successfuly verified vesti.co.yu.
> > > > but, .yu domain also does not have whois.
> > > > however, verification was successful.
> > > > so, I'm not sure if whois a problem.
> > > > however, I can not do anything about it, whois service is a RS-TLD
> > > > job.
> > > > Connection with vesti.ru does not exists, absolutly.
> > > > "vesti" means "news" on serbian language, but also in russian
> > > > language.
> > > > So, it is a common word.
> > > > Other connections does not exists.
> > > > Thank you for suggestion about title, meta tags, and css.
> > > > We will fix it.
> > > > We are not hiding any content, not spaming... my company is always
> > > > search-friendly, we never risked our reputation.
> > > > I will check with our designer why CSS is not valid, and why SPAM
> > > > detector is showing warnings.
> > > > But, as I can see, this 'div' blocks does not show text because they
> > > > show image, and text is there for search engines, to know what is on
> > > > that block.
> > > > This is like 'alt' property in 'img' tag.
> > > > Always used only in navigation. This words are mostly in a title on
> > > > other pages.
> > > > Hidden text is mostly one word [title of image, or title of a page
> > > > that is linked].
> > > > Are you suggest to remove that words?
> > > > But still I'm not sure how this can be affect verification.
> > > > Whole this site is succesfuly verified before as vesti.co.yu - the
> > > > same pages... the same CSS.
> > > > I'm afraid this is a problem for all .rs domains...- Hide quoted text -
> my site is actually RSS agregator of all news in my country.
> so, it is not original content.
> this is not only news agregator in my country, you also havewww.naslovi.net > with the same function.
> Naslovi.net also have content from other site, btw, that site have
> about 30.000 visitors from google every day.
> so, duplicated content is not a problem here.
> It wasn't problem when my site was on co.yu domain.
> I removed invisible text from navigation, also fixed CSS.http://tool.motoricerca.info/spam-detector/now is reporting OK
> status.
> I must wait designer to validate CSS for 2.0 standard.
> on CSS 2.1 everythink is valid.
> maybe google is in a middle of reindexing.
> I just know that my search positions is fall dawn.
> that afraid me that my site is penalized...
> > It didnt' find your site. it foudn other with the same text.
> > My quesiotn now is: is the content on thsi site original or is it
> > repackaged from other news sites?
> > Because this would be a major problem, Google doesn't like to index
> > mutliple copies of the same stuff, and more and more it's preventing
> > it, even if in the past it did it a lot.
> > On Mar 23, 6:15 pm, Predrag Damnjanovic wrote:
> > > btw, the same problem is withwww.dis.rs-servertimeout.
> > > that site have only one page, w3c valid :)
> > > google is not firewalled, I'm pretty sure...
> > > I administrating my server...
> > > that's why I'm afraid all .rs domains are affected.
> > > but I will try to find at least one person that successfuly
> > > verified .rs domain.
> > > btw, I think vesti.rs are penalized.
> > > you can not find site if you search "vesti.rs"http://www.google.com/search?q=vesti.rs > > > SERP is also fall down, no one can find my site on google.
> > > we will remove div tags that hide text, and fix title/meta...
> > > will see...
> > > On 23 мар, 19:58, webado wrote:
> > > > Those issues dont' affect verificaiton. They may affect indexing -
> > > > though the site is indexed, hwo well it performs depends on how
> > > > optimized the content is.
> > > > The hidden text can bring about some penalties if not careful. If a
> > > > site is already in trouble this can just make it worse.
> > > > Try to find a differnet way of doing those things which won't trigger
> > > > the spam detector.
> > > > It's possible that after fixing the DNS problem all will be OK.
> > > > If you still cannot verify the site maybe the server/firewall are
> > > > specifically blocking Googlebot - by IP address range maybe.
> > > > Though the typical message would be suggesting network unreachable.
> > > > On Mar 23, 2:19 pm, Predrag Damnjanovic wrote:
> > > > > First of all, thank you for helping me.
> > > > > 10. march is a day when .rs domains began to work.
> > > > > .rs is new domain for Serbia.
> > > > > previous domain was .yu.
> > > > > yes, my previous site was vesti.co.yu
> > > > > On 10 march I automaticly got vesti.rs, and I simply moved all content
> > > > > from vesti.co.yu to vesti.rs, and put 301 redirect.
> > > > > Many co.yu sites will do it... .yu domain will not be in use anymore.
> > > > > Google can not block all .rs domains becouse .rs does not have
> > > > > standard whois service :)
> > > > > Before 10 march, I successfuly verified vesti.co.yu.
> > > > > but, .yu domain also does not have whois.
> > > > > however, verification was successful.
> > > > > so, I'm not sure if whois a problem.
> > > > > however, I can not do anything about it, whois service is a RS-TLD
> > > > > job.
> > > > > Connection with vesti.ru does not exists, absolutly.
> > > > > "vesti" means "news" on serbian language, but also in russian
> > > > > language.
> > > > > So, it is a common word.
> > > > > Other connections does not exists.
> > > > > Thank you for suggestion about title, meta tags, and css.
> > > > > We will fix it.
> > > > > We are not hiding any content, not spaming... my company is always
> > > > > search-friendly, we never risked our reputation.
> > > > > I will check with our designer why CSS is not valid, and why SPAM
> > > > > detector is showing warnings.
> > > > > But, as I can see, this 'div' blocks does not show text because they
> > > > > show image, and text is there for search engines, to know what is on
> > > > > that block.
> > > > > This is like 'alt' property in 'img' tag.
> > > > > Always used only in navigation. This words are mostly in a title on
> > > > > other pages.
> > > > > Hidden text is mostly one word [title of image, or title of a page
> > > > > that is linked].
> > > > > Are you suggest to remove that words?
> > > > > But still I'm not sure how this can be affect verification.
> > > > > Whole this site is succesfuly verified before as vesti.co.yu - the
> > > > > same pages... the same CSS.
> > > > > I'm afraid this is a problem for all .rs domains...- Hide quoted text -
with that theory - naslovi.net should be very bad ranked, but that
site have great rank, and a huge mass of people find naslovi.net on
google.
they have about 30.000 visitors per day from google.
and all their content is not original, but taken from other sites...
You know, you cannot assume that because site X is doing great and you
are using the same method on site Y it will work there too.
It is known that Google is striving to eliminate duplication. Whether
it has caught up with all the sites that participate in building up
duplication or not is a matter of speculation - I'd think not yet. The
algorithm moves in myserous ways, at its own pace. Maybe it targets
one sector at a time. I don't know.
I'm just saying it's a distinct possibility and not to ignore it.
> with that theory - naslovi.net should be very bad ranked, but that
> site have great rank, and a huge mass of people find naslovi.net on
> google.
> they have about 30.000 visitors per day from google.
> and all their content is not original, but taken from other sites...
> You know, you cannot assume that because site X is doing great and you
> are using the same method on site Y it will work there too.
> It is known that Google is striving to eliminate duplication. Whether
> it has caught up with all the sites that participate in building up
> duplication or not is a matter of speculation - I'd think not yet. The
> algorithm moves in myserous ways, at its own pace. Maybe it targets
> one sector at a time. I don't know.
> I'm just saying it's a distinct possibility and not to ignore it.
> On Mar 23, 10:50 pm, Predrag Damnjanovic wrote:
> > with that theory - naslovi.net should be very bad ranked, but that
> > site have great rank, and a huge mass of people find naslovi.net on
> > google.
> > they have about 30.000 visitors per day from google.
> > and all their content is not original, but taken from other sites...
Thanks for reporting and researching this issue. From what I have been
able to test in the last few days this most likely only affects
verification in Webmaster Tools (not crawling and indexing). I've
passed the issue on to the team so that they can look at it.
Thanks again for posting here (and thank you webado for helping with
the non-verification issues)!
just to help guys, a few important data:
Serbia have new top-level domain, from 10 march 2008.
.yu domains will stop working maybe 2009.
however, now all .yu domains will migrate to .rs.
probably there is some problem, because .rs is new top level domain.
> Hi Predrag Damnjanovic and welcome to the groups!
> Thanks for reporting and researching this issue. From what I have been
> able to test in the last few days this most likely only affects
> verification in Webmaster Tools (not crawling and indexing). I've
> passed the issue on to the team so that they can look at it.
> Thanks again for posting here (and thank you webado for helping with
> the non-verification issues)!
