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 More options Oct 3 2007, 12:51 am
From: dockarl
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:51:10 -0700
Local: Wed, Oct 3 2007 12:51 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?
Duplicate content doesn't cause a 'penalty' per-se - that's been said
repeatedly here and elsewhere by Googlers.

What duplicate content does cause is one copy of the content to be
used in the index, and the other to be sent to supplementals (usually)
- if you've copied the 'duplicate content' from another site, then
most often you'll find your content ends up in the supps (unless
you're an evil proxy spammer).

What you are talking about is a particular phrase or paragraph
repeated over and over and over again WITHIN A SITE. Whether it's a
phrase or a keyword - my feeling is the same - that's not duplicate
content. That's keyword stuffing or repeated text if you want to put
it another way. On that topic, Wysz's answer is probably what you're
after - http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/browse_...

If what you are actually asking is what proportion of a page can be
repeated elsewhere without deprecating the originality of your page in
the eyes of google goes to the heart of their algorithm and I'd refer
back to SEO101's great statement:-

"Dear Google

I want to spam the hell out of your index and manipulate the search
ranking as much as I can. When I get notified exactly what and when I
get a penalty, I can just change that to just remain under the radar
scope until I push a little hard somewhere else. Thanks for notifying
me exactly what I am doing wrong, so I know exactly where the 'line in
the sand' is, so I can continue to manipulate so I get better rankings
than I really deserve by playing this game with you.

A. Spammer "

doc

On Oct 3, 10:50 am, daamsie wrote:

> > Daamsie - Sounds to me like you are chatting about keyword stuffing
> > rather than duplicate content.

> No, not really. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.

> I am purely asking if a phrase is repeated across pages, when is it
> considered duplicate? For instance, someone might upload a photo and
> provide a long description to go with that. That photo could
> legitimately be used several places throughout a site and each time
> show the description, but people would have you believe that such
> repeats of content could cause a duplicate content penalty. So, my
> question really comes down to "what hoops does google want us to jump
> through to ensure that a phrase only occurs once on a site?"

> Keyword stuffing has nothing to do with my question and is waaaaaaay
> off my radar as something to consider.

> On Oct 3, 8:33 am, dockarl wrote:

> > Daamsie - Sounds to me like you are chatting about keyword stuffing
> > rather than duplicate content.

> > Cheers,

> > doc

> > On Oct 3, 12:26 am, daamsie wrote:

> > > Apologies for the double post. Google Groups was apparently "not
> > > responding" .. typical Google. ;)

> > > On Oct 3, 12:20 am, daamsie wrote:

> > > > > No, that would just be considered plain spamming. :)

> > > > Lol :)

> > > > In seriousness though.. my question is not entirely in jest. How long
> > > > does a phrase have to be before you can't repeat it across your
> > > > pages?

> > > > For instance, I would assume "Copyright MyCompany 2007" is OK to
> > > > appear on all your pages. However maybe the phrase

> > > > "All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation
> > > > License. (See Copyrights for details.) Wikipedia® is a registered
> > > > trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a U.S. registered 501(c)
> > > > (3) tax-deductible nonprofit charity."

> > > > repeated millions of times could be considered duplicate content.

> > > > So, where is the line drawn? 50 words, 100 words? Or is internal
> > > > duplication just not an issue?

> > > > On Oct 2, 10:51 pm, webado wrote:

> > > > > On 2 oct, 07:41, daamsie wrote:

> > > > > > Here's one..

> > > > > > If I write "communicating with Google is like talking to a brick wall"
> > > > > > in 100 places on my website, would that be considered duplicate
> > > > > > content?

> > > > > No, that would just be considered plain spamming. :)

> > > > > > On Sep 24, 4:12 pm, Adam Lasnik wrote:

> > > > > > > Thought I'd try something new here, and the team's backing me up on it
> > > > > > > (brave souls!)

> > > > > > > Got questions?  We've got answers:  at least five (5) substantive
> > > > > > > responses to your picks on webmaster'y topics over the next two weeks.

> > > > > > > We invite you to ask questions in this thread that:
> > > > > > > - don't deal with a specific site or sites
> > > > > > > - are likely to be of interest to a great many webmasters around the
> > > > > > > world
> > > > > > > - aren't already covered in one of our recent blog posts or in our
> > > > > > > Help Center

> > > > > > > And in turn we will do one of the following for each response:
> > > > > > > - Start a thread in this group with a detailed answer.
> > > > > > > - Add new Help Center documentation or substantially revise an
> > > > > > > existing doc to cover your question.
> > > > > > > - Do a blog post on the topic.

> > > > > > > Some ground rules:
> > > > > > > - Please don't get into in-depth discussion on each question in this
> > > > > > > thread; instead, kindly start a separate thread (and feel free to
> > > > > > > point there from this thread!)
> > > > > > > - Understand that -- unless we inexplicably get fewer than five
> > > > > > > questions here -- we're not going to be able to answer everything/
> > > > > > > everyone in this thread.
> > > > > > > - Webmaster'y questions or specific suggestions on topics to explore
> > > > > > > are welcomed... but not wish lists, okay? (e.g., "I wish Webmaster
> > > > > > > Tools stats were updated hourly!" and "Can we see more photos of
> > > > > > > Matt's Cats please?" do not count!)

> > > > > > > We'll continue to answer site-specific questions in other threads, but
> > > > > > > we thought it'd be interesting to tackle some broader/more-general
> > > > > > > themes separately.  And we'll see how this works out.  If it bombs,
> > > > > > > well, we tried.  If it rocks, then we'll consider doing it again!

> > > > > > > Have a great week everyone, and we'll look forward to seeing your
> > > > > > > questions here.- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -

> > > > > > - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -


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