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 More options Feb 27, 11:20 am
From: xen
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:20:36 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Feb 27 2008 11:20 am
Subject: Re: Please Help! -60 penalty from Google due to proxy site.
Sorry I posted this in questions where I should have replied here.

Our problems are the same if not similar to that of Shyboy except the
real problem started from mid December. since 1994 we have
consistantly
been in the top 30 in our selected keywords.
We never subscribe to purchased links in any form. Our Site http://www.xen.co.za
we believe maintained and have made use of being as unique as our
market allows.

 We are indexed but lost all main index page positions while our
competitors remained the same.  Business is non existent, more so
because we have also lost our index page position on Google South
Africa English geolocation.

I have tried the tests and followed the info from all above.
I have discovered an interesting problem in using Mat Cutts's search.

We find a huge variety of sites that show our name but no links that
point to
those sites from the Xen site.

One entity operates from a number of free service servers under
the name of Blabest and Amduan.

An example of some 200 pages all have the keyword xen swimwear but no
back link. All http://www.amduan.freewebportal.com/tight-bikini.html.
Every one the same. This entity goes to point of claiming that the
linked website has been deleted but in truth appears to be within the
same operation.

Except for some pictures this is a perfect example of a spam artist.
He uses overlays on his pages. It appears that he uses contrast
backgrounds with all the text. Then overlays some rubbish links over
that.

We have others such http://www.swimwearboutique.com/ who do not stock
or advertise Xen product but have hidden pages named after ours and
other net established brands. The main object of is too gain hits from
another branding.

The question is, are we being penalized because these sites way of
operation?

We have checked server security_ mod files, XSS and even resorted to
joining
Webmaster tools. All to no avail.  December 25 was the last time that
www.xen.co.za/index.php has been list in the serps in any page under
position 600- 900 with keyword previously positioned pages 1-3.

I might add that besides visiting some 1044 links using the Matt Cutts
method I have individually tested some 200 of the five hundred links
we have on our site and found no evidence of spam. Sure some are
returning as dead link. So do our competitors.

Anyone further have suggestions?? Most greatfull for any input.

Thank you

Hugh Robinson
Xen Special Projects

On Feb 22, 10:46 pm, Matt Cutts wrote:

> Another way to refine that search to get more root domains:http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Theme+designed+by+Garden+Furniture%...
> Matt

> On Feb 22, 12:33 pm, Aaron Pratt wrote:

> > You will have to contact every admin. who got tricked into using that
> > Wordpress template to rank your website(s) in Google.

> > Start here:

> >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Theme+designed+by+Garden+Furn...

> > Good luck!

> > On Feb 22, 3:12 pm, ShyBoy wrote:

> > > Thanks for the reply Matt, but how can i stop links from themes that
> > > are already out there?

> > > On Feb 22, 8:02 pm, Matt Cutts wrote:

> > > > Shyboy, those are good steps and I'd tackle them in earnest. After you
> > > > feel comfortable about the paid links being gone, I'd do a
> > > > reconsideration request.
> > > > Matt

> > > > On Feb 22, 10:50 am, ShyBoy wrote:

> > > > > ok, forum is now gone. I know it's a bit drastic, but I had no choice
> > > > > and to be honest, it was a pain to moderate anyway for the amount of
> > > > > users it had. It was only a way for us to quickly announce new
> > > > > products etc with some extra pictures.

> > > > > Matt, Yes, I have sponsored links and I honestly had no idea it was a
> > > > > problem. I never actually bought a link from a high pr site just for
> > > > > the sake of the PR. The amount of people sponsoring links without ever
> > > > > saying they had any problems and a recommendation from my SEO guy led
> > > > > me to believe it was not something that was wrong.

> > > > > Removed the forum
> > > > > Removed reciprocal links
> > > > > Got rid of the proxy site
> > > > > Sent emails to all the other sites copying us to remove text
> > > > > Will never sponsor any themes ever again.

> > > > > Anything else you can suggest?

> > > > > Thanks everyone for all the great replies and advice up to now.

> > > > > On Feb 22, 6:30 pm, Matt Cutts wrote:

> > > > > > ShyBoy, have you been collecting backlinks in any unusual ways? It
> > > > > > looks like you may have, and I would pay special attention to that.
> > > > > > For example, if you had been attempting to get PageRank via paid links
> > > > > > on various templates, then when that PageRank stops flowing (e.g. if
> > > > > > Google improves its detection in various ways), the fact that you have
> > > > > > less PageRank can also mean that a site won't rank as well.

> > > > > > If that applies to you, my advice would be to pay special attention to
> > > > > > that issue, in addition to the other good advice you've already
> > > > > > gotten.
> > > > > > Matt

> > > > > > On Feb 22, 10:12 am, ShyBoy wrote:

> > > > > > > Thanks guys. If I remove the forum tonight, how long would you say it
> > > > > > > will take for the site to return to normal? Aaron, you seem very sure,
> > > > > > > can I take that as a definite?

> > > > > > > Many thanks everyone, I feel much better now.

> > > > > > > On Feb 22, 3:59 pm, Aaron Pratt wrote:

> > > > > > > > JLH - Please warn people whn you link to malware sites, I clicked on
> > > > > > > > one of those spam links and it tried to take over my computer. :(

> > > > > > > > yes, that site is under a -SPAM penalty.

> > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 10:48 am, JLH wrote:

> > > > > > > > > I suspect spammy links may have been a culprit here, some have been
> > > > > > > > > indexed:

> > > > > > > > >http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:r7iJxoTglK8J:www.farawayfurnitur...

> > > > > > > > >http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu.q0575HpkQApt9XNyoA?p=-asdfa...

> > > > > > > > >http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Afarawayf...

> > > > > > > > > So I looked on your site for other links that actually exist today:

> > > > > > > > >http://zelnorm.idoo.com/vaigra/

> > > > > > > > > is onhttp://www.farawayfurniture.co.uk/forum/memberlist.php?sid=6e9ef35efc......

> > > > > > > > >http://view-videos6.about.tc/(whichredirectsandthentriesto
> > > > > > > > > install malware)

> > > > > > > > > is on:

> > > > > > > > >http://www.farawayfurniture.co.uk/forum/memberlist.php?sid=6e9ef35efc......

> > > > > > > > >http://freepornshare.net/

> > > > > > > > > is on:

> > > > > > > > >http://www.farawayfurniture.co.uk/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&...

> > > > > > > > >http://bear0porn72.greatnow.com/

> > > > > > > > > is on:http://www.farawayfurniture.co.uk/forum/memberlist.php?sid=6e9ef35efc......

> > > > > > > > >http://air908.airbiz1.info/(anothermalwaresite)

> > > > > > > > > is on:

> > > > > > > > >http://www.farawayfurniture.co.uk/forum/memberlist.php?sid=6e9ef35efc......

> > > > > > > > > This being said, anyone of those links that currently exist, or that
> > > > > > > > > you've already cleaned up could have triggered and automatic penalty
> > > > > > > > > from Google.  Since the forum seems to be the problem, I'd get rid of
> > > > > > > > > it, at least from a robots point of view and block the crawling (since
> > > > > > > > > it uses session IDs is a good enough reason to not let a crawler into
> > > > > > > > > it)

> > > > > > > > > Cleaning up the spammy links, blocking the forum so it can't happen
> > > > > > > > > again, getting rid of the exchanged link scheme, should all be written
> > > > > > > > > up and included in the reconsideration request.

> > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 6:51 am, silverstall wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > As Robo has pointed out there are other issues which may be the casue
> > > > > > > > > > for the loss in the serps.
> > > > > > > > > > Blocking the IP of the proxy server itself may help prevent further
> > > > > > > > > > attacks however you must check it is the proxy server you have blocked
> > > > > > > > > > and not a  visitor - a human or a robot that accessed your site via
> > > > > > > > > > the proxy link that was indexed.
> > > > > > > > > > A proxy attack of this nature i think can sometimes bring the
> > > > > > > > > > attention of a closer scrutiny of your site by google. Previously
> > > > > > > > > > Pages may have escaped their filters but because they have been
> > > > > > > > > > recrawled and re-examined they are now subject to penalties. I am sure
> > > > > > > > > > this was the case when we recently had a proxy attack as when i looked
> > > > > > > > > > at some of our pages in finer detail i thought how the hell did i
> > > > > > > > > > overlook that or why the hell did she put that in etc. Also i ran a
> > > > > > > > > > check of ALL our pages at copyscape and was horrified to see how many
> > > > > > > > > > times some text had been copied. Regretably your homepage when i ran
> > > > > > > > > > it through copyscape churns up a lot of duplicate content found
> > > > > > > > > > elsewhere
> > > > > > > > > > I am afraid there is a lot of work ahead. I know i have recently been
> > > > > > > > > > there and it requires a closer loook at EVERY single page on your site
> > > > > > > > > > before thinking about filing for re-inclusion. Having re-styled,
> > > > > > > > > > rephotograped and rewritten our homepage and all key level 1 pages i
> > > > > > > > > > found our serps are returning so on a positive note a proxy attack can
> > > > > > > > > > act as a wake-ip call to improve quality and cut out all the errors.
> > > > > > > > > > In the meantime finding out more detail of the proxy hijackers is
> > > > > > > > > > useful - as i found telephone calls and even a 'visit' acts as
> > > > > > > > > > deterrant from further attack.
> > > > > > > > > >  As Robo points out the forum is a breeding ground for trouble - is it
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