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 More options Feb 27, 4:31 am
From: Sebastian
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:31:11 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Feb 27 2008 4:31 am
Subject: Re: Please Help! -60 penalty from Google due to proxy site.
I'd guess that when checking a site (and its link graph) that has
filed a reinclusion request stating the site was involved in some sort
of link monkey business, that's a completely other story than with a
site that was attacked by negative SEO methods. Although I (with my
last post in this thread) fell for the "since when do inbound links
count as negative votes" argument too, it's quite clear that removing
the traces (admitted shady links) is a prerequisite for a penatly
lift. I doubt that's common knowledge to folks who promote white hat
sites with black hat methods. Getting links wiped out at places that
didn't check the intention of inserted links in the first place is a
PITA, IOW it's impossible to get all shady links removed.
Sebastian

On Feb 27, 12:44 am, JLH wrote:

> In the reconsideration request form they specifically mention, "If you
> used a search engine optimization (SEO) company, please note that.
> Describing the SEO firm and their actions is a helpful indication of
> good faith that may assist in evaluation of reconsideration requests."

> If it was an SEO tactic put forth by an SEO firm to find sites that
> accept links with any anchor text and deep links that are not reviewed
> such as the ones John mentioned:

> http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGGL%2CGGGL%3...

> This may be a strong indication by Google to be as forthright as
> possible about that, it also may be a strong indication that Google
> may see some other questionable practices that took place and now
> would be the time to mention them in the request.  Our tools are
> limited, and they can go over old caches and history that none of us
> on the outside have access to.

> I'm hoping that this doesn't cause a storm of people now worried about
> some shady seo linking to them in a spammy way to hurt their
> rankings.  From what I gather from this thread is that once a site has
> been flagged and penalized that all of the details including on site
> and off site factors get looked at very closely, much closer than
> before.  Remember that Google has a copy of every page on the web that
> they've crawled and can quickly pull up any relationships between
> them.  So if on 10/16/07 thirty seven links start appearing with the
> anchor text "Dining Room Furniture" to a product page on sites that
> don't monitor their commenter's links, they'll be able to notice it.
> On it's own this may be ignored as it is generally accepted that
> external sites cannot hurt your ranking (though that has been removed
> from Googles documentation) but when coupled with other signals it may
> add up to something.   I would imagine that it also has to be weighed
> as fraction of the whole of the links.  In other words, if a site has
> 36,000 links to it and 34,000 links are from theme sponsorships, 1,000
> are from keyword rich blog comments, 500 are from web directories, and
> only 10 are from actual sites giving out an editorial link that would
> be a pretty good sign that someone was trying to improve their ranking
> by external methods.  If 99% of the links are questionable, then it
> may give them cause to not only devalue them but devalue the site as a
> whole as well.  It's like the interlinking of commonly owned sites
> problem, or domain farming as its often called.  For legitimate sites
> like Google, youtube, and blogger, some interlinking is possible, but
> only because if you look at the millions of links they have, only a
> very small percentage are from their own properites.  Where it gets a
> site into trouble is when the majority of its links are from a common
> individual that a ranking penalty would make sense.  I'm only guessing
> here and have absolutely no inside knowledge, just trying to talk it
> out.

> On Feb 26, 4:50 pm, JohnMu wrote:

> > I think that's a great start, ShyBoy.

> > Similar to how you have removed spammy links in your own forum, you
> > may want to consider what you can do to help clean up similar links on
> > other people's sites. Blogs and newspaper sites such ashttp://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.comsometimesreceive short
> > comments such as "dont agree", apparently only for a link back to a
> > site. These comments often use keywords from that site instead of a
> > user name, perhaps "tree bench" for a furniture site or "sexy shoes"
> > for a footwear site. If this kind of behavior might have taken place
> > for your site, you may want to work on rectifying it and include some
> > information on it in your reconsideration request. Given your
> > situation, the person considering your reconsideration request might
> > be curious about links like that, so the more you can explain about
> > that, that may help as well.

> > John


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