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Jason Grunstra  
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 More options Jul 11 2007, 5:37 pm
From: Jason Grunstra
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:37:42 -0000
Local: Wed, Jul 11 2007 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: Making Flash websites accessible, is this okay for SEO?
beussery, I think you're mistaken. It doesn't return a different set
of URLs at all. It's the same exact URL no matter what type of user
views the page. Furthermore it's the same content as well. There is no
cloaking at all, and there is no attempt being made to send different
content to different clients.

The only difference is that the URL has data after the hash/anchor,
which is used for to tell Flash what page the user is viewing and
consequently allows you to send a deep-linked page to a friend, or to
bookmark it. This is no different than  query string parameters.

Again, it's about giving the users the same user experience that they
come to expect in their web browser from a non-Flash site.

And just to reiterate with pittsburgh_joe said "How is sIFR different
from SWFObject?"

The page you linked to talking about sIFR has this to say:

A technique like sIFR still lets non-Flash readers read a page, since
the content/navigation is actually in the HTML -- it's just displayed
by an embedded Flash object

That is _PRECISELY_ what our method is doing. No more, no less. I'm
not sure how you can see it any other way.

And you're right, I was talking about searchenginewatch, but that
thread was locked, so I came here to have an open and honest
discussion with the development community without the need to worry
about censorship.

On Jul 11, 12:21 am, beussery wrote:

> Instead of saying "self-proclaimed SEO gurus" just be honest, you are
> talking about your post on searchenginewatch.com!http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=18196&page=1&pp=20

> Either way, the site in question is still returning one set of URLs to
> the search engines and another to users and that is called cloaking.

> - The other set of URLs can be accessed via:http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:K160ysXRpscJ:blitzagency.com/+si...

> - The ALT attribute provides "alternative" content and not the DIV
> Content in the DIV is hidden from users.

> - As you can see Google suggests sIFR and not swfobject!http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/07/best-uses-of-flash...

> I don't know if Google or anyone else for that matter could be any
> more clear.

> So, until these issues are fixed I wouldn't expect an answer from
> Google.  So far, I see no optimized Flash only hidden html.  For more
> information, check out "Prioritizing Web Usability" by Jakob Nielsen:http://www.useit.com/prioritizing/

> On Jul 9, 2:32 pm, MrGamma wrote:

> > Honestly... it's all possible with javascript... javascript has the
> > unique abilty to remain backwards compatible too...

> > Why encapsulate everything... when you can connect with everyone?


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