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 More options Oct 4 2007, 7:28 am
From: Sebastian
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:28:17 -0000
Local: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 7:28 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?
Here are some questions from John (JLH):
http://www.jlh-design.com/2007/09/popular-picks-what-would-jlh-like-t...

And mine:

Obviously Google doesn't (always) follow the HTTP protocol when
handling 301, 302 and 307 redirects. At least with 302 redirects there
is a lot of magic involved. The voodoo was implemented to fight 302-
hijacking. I'd like to know what Google actually does with 301, 302
and 307 redirects. Something in the lines of "When a 302ing URL and
it's target is on the same domain and both have inbound links our
canonicalization routine chooses the URL with the highest PR value as
canonical URL; 302 and 307 redirects don't pass PageRank or anchor
text, but 301 redirects do; We stop spidering the source of a 301
redirect when we don't find a single link pointing to it anymore; When
a 302 redirect leaves its name space we'll index the redirect target
instead of the 302ing URL except when it's an affiliate link, then we
don't care much and consolidate the given location with the best
matching landing page on the merchants site; We follow exactly 2
redirects in a row, when we spot the 3rd we'll list the source URL
under "URLs not followed" and deindex every linkless URL involved in
the redirect chain, also every redirect in a chain takes away n% from
the remaining power of the initial link; We interpret 307 redirects
within the current server like 302s except when the destination is
feedburner.com, with 307 redirects pointing to another server we index
the source URL with the content of the redirect target if the redirect
target has no (valuable) inbound links itself ... (all factless/
provoking speculation made up to sample the expected granularity of
course)."

Thanks for considering it.
Sebastian

On Oct 3, 10:21 am, Sam I Am wrote:

> Things change over time and what was said yesterday may no longer be
> true today. I think all questions posed in this thread are valid, just
> because some regular read an answer to a question back in 2004 doesn't
> mean it still isn't valid as a question to pose today and want an
> answer to. If anything, that just shows to Google that perhaps they
> need to update their official response area (webmaster help center)
> with that answer so that all webmasters, not just the few hundred that
> post here, have a fair shot at reading it.

> With regards to the actual thread at hand, we're about 4 days away
> from the two week mark at which time Google has committed to answer 5
> questions posed here. Since Google is making this unusual gesture to
> communicate with us, perhaps we should do the unusual too, and all
> come together and agree on the 5 questions we'd like to see answered
> by Google. We've got a few days to seive out all the real questions
> here and then see for ourselves if they've been answered or not
> elsewhere. That will leave a few questions that have never been
> answered and that we REALLY want an answer to. We then come together
> as a group and post those 5 questions here together. Of course Google
> might not choose to answer those 5 questions, but that would be going
> against us, the users, and from Google's own goals we know that the
> users are their main priority. So either they shoot their company
> objectives in the foot, or they see this is a great opportunity to
> really help out.

> What do you say? I'm willing to put some time into going through this
> thread and picking out the questions, without the fluff and then
> starting a new thread where we get together to decide on the final 5
> before putting to the G'plex. Who's on board - it's 4 days to d-day,
> or should I say G-day? :)

> On Oct 3, 9:55 am, cass-hacks wrote:

> > > Well, that's your opinion. You state it as fact, but it is only your
> > > opinion. There are enough others who claim that there is such a
> > > penalty though.

> > No, it is not only my opinion.  If it were an opinion I would have
> > said so.

> > What I wrote is based on what has been said, one way or another, by
> > numerous Google employees and although it might have just been their
> > opinion, I would value their opinion at least slightly higher than
> > someone on the outside that is just guessing.

> > Are any of the others who make the claim that a "duplicate content
> > penalty" exists Google employees?

> > Thought not.  ;-)

> > On the other hand, Google employees, "Vanessa Fox" to name one, have
> > actually stated that there is no such thing as a "duplicate content
> > penalty".

> > Hint, there is some quoted text in the previous sentence that you can
> > use in a Google search to get it straight from the horses mouth, so to
> > speak.  "Seek and ye shall find."  ;-)

> > On that note, why should Googlers here in this forum answer questions
> > that have been answered by Googlers numerous times and in numerous
> > ways?

> > Craig


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