Want to remove a pesky competitor from the google search results or is
there a website that you want to no longer see in the Google search
results.

Well googlebowling is your answer. Googlebowling works to remove from
the Google search results those pesky websites you don't like.

How to googlebowl:

1. Find a non-porn website you want to remove from Google's search
results.

2. Find a bunch of forums that don't have good moderation or that
allow porn posts (foreign language sites work very well)  .

3. create a bunch of links pointing toward of all your enemies and
competitors websites then use some really nasty porn Anchor text
Keywords. Don't link the porn keywords to the sites main or index
page, DO link the porn to a single specific page on the site and use
that same page as the only page to link the porn too. Googlebowlig
works better if you embed the links into a video or flash (please note
the example).

4. Insert those porn links into the forums you found in step 2. (write
a little script to automate this)

5. Repeat steps 1 thru 4 several hundred or thousand times.

6. Sit back and watch your competitors (or the guy you don't like)
website(s) start dropping in the google search results for his/her
targeted keywords.

Now I promised proof...
Well here it is
http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/advsearch;_ylt=AgiI_k_2lcgRYd61o...
(Please be aware that some of these links contain Trojan downloaders
and some very gross porn)

The above URL contains all the info anyone needs to verify that
googlebowling does exist and that it does work to remove most websites
from google's top 100 returned search results (in other words no one
using googles search will ever see that page again)

Please Note: The site that is targeted, will NOT be removed from the
google index, but it will lose it's  google "safe search" status (if
it had any to start with) and it will drop in ranking for ALL of  it's
targeted keywords (unless of course the site was targeting porn
keywords).

Google really does NOT want the public to know that googlebowling
works. So I expect this post to be removed or attacked by posters that
will say that googlebowling does not work. The folks that will post
googlebowling does not work will provide NO proof or evidence to
backup their story.

I have provided all the evidence needed to prove that googlebowling
does in fact exist and that it does in fact work.

The site that is being attacked in the URL I provided, has lost
ranking on all of it's major keywords since the googlebowling attack
and it continues to drop in the rankings for it's targeted keywords.

Hi Bowled and welcome to the groups!

Looking at the site that you mentioned, I could imagine that studying
our Google Webmaster Guidelines, in particular the quality guidelines,
would be time well spent. Most of these guidelines involve the content
on the site itself, something which generally can't be changed through
links pointing to the site. You can find these guidelines at
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769

Hope it helps!
John

That is total bull and an expected answer from someone who works at
google.

So what is wrong with posting spam emails so the public can be
informed and not fall victim to these criminals?

On Jun 16, 2:33 pm, JohnMu wrote:

The site in question has been online for over five years and has had
great rankings for years (using the same content) until we were
attacked by these spammers.

On Jun 16, 2:40 pm, Bowled wrote:

I keep posting these before I am done... sorry.

But the idea that you insinuate that my site is crap and that is the
reason I am tanking in the SERPS after I have shown proof that my site
is being attacked with porn keywords.... Is more that a little
frustrating.

On Jun 16, 2:33 pm, JohnMu wrote:

Just checked my site.... Only one IP from the google plex in the last
24 hours (besides googlebot) and it came last night... So John if you
did look at my site your using a proxy... Rather odd behavior for a
google employee.

On Jun 16, 2:33 pm, JohnMu wrote:

Hello Bowled.. You remind me of me after a few hard weeks of non-stop
work... burning out usually turns me into a kamkazee... and I have a
tendency to take out anybody who comes near me...

Anyways... What's Google bowling? Sounds rather candy store lollipop
to me...

If You mean that I can take your site out of the serps but building a
heavy association between your site and another through reciprocal
linking...

I don't think it's new news... or a conspiracy at all... people get
their sites hacked and drop out the search results every day... I
could easily walk into government sponsored forum and start yelling
and screaming about how easy it is to commit arson and get away with
it... not that I do that... but what's the point of making look like
it's a big secret mystery or conspiracy...

I think nobody is really that crazy about the term Google Bowling...
maybe that's why it hasn't been picked up in  any Google
documentation... but... if you read the fine print it's mentioned in
the Google webmaster Guidelines...

"In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on
the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those
links."

So... your proof is probably accurate... if you can find links to bad
neighborhoods on your site... and your taking a dive in the search
results... remove the links... what's the big secret?

I agree with Bowled that Google should give a real answer about this
and not avoid the subject, as I think JohnMu does quite evidently. I
see no reason why this can't be discussed openly. Remember, don't be
evil!

I've always had the impression that it actually IS possible to kill a
competitor by using black hat linking techniques on his site. It's
quite obvious - Google openly says that YOU will get punished for
using these linking techniques for YOUR site, so of course YOU will
get punished if someone else does this to YOUR site. I think it is a
big problem that Google penalises a site for something that the site
owner may not have anything to do with.

As Google has gained more and more importance in the world during the
years, being banned by Google today can be devastating. Therefore I
think Google should take upon themselves the responsibility of being
more cautious handing out punishments to someone who may just be
innocent. I know that we can't demand that you do Google, but if you
are in fact not evil, you should strive to administer the power you
have achieved as responsibly as possible.

In these cases with googlebowling using porn posts in forums and in
blog comments, I would even argue that it is unlikely that it is the
site itself (if the site is not porn or similar) that is behind it.
Why? - Because these days everyone knows that this wont get you
rankings - it will get you banned!

In real life you can't just go shoot down your competitor on the
street or blow up his office. That's what laws are for to prevent. But
it seems that on the internet, you can do these things quite easily.
This makes me uneasy as a website owner, and so I think that Google
should put some of their many talented people to work on finding a
solution for this problem.

They did... it's right in the Google Webmaster Guidelines...

"In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on
the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those
links."

I know... me personally... I would like Google to have nothing but
porno related spam sites in the index...

***Yawn***

Just because you're paranoid
doesn't mean that they're not after you...

Which life are you referring to... The imaginary life of Google
Rankings?

Why... it's not like it's real life or anything...

If we got rid of Google's imaginary laws.. would it make you feel
better?

Hi MrGamma!

I think what the original poster is worried about is not links on his
site but rather links to his site from other (bad) sites. In theory, I
can imagine that there might be some borderline situations where that
would be possible, however in all the time I have spend diagnosing
website issues I have not once run into a situation like that. Also, I
know that if a situation like that were to come to our attention, it
would be resolved very quickly.

That said, I don't see this happening for the site mentioned in the
original post. Instead of seeking the source of the problems
elsewhere, I would really recommend studying our Webmaster
Guidelines.

Hope it helps!

John

Mr. Gamma

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Let me take your statements
one at a time:

I don't think anyone here is talking about outbound links. The issue
here is INBOUND links. The quote from Google Webmaster Guidelines does
not mention inbound links.

I don't understand this statement at all. Can you try to be more
clear? Please avoid sarcasm when writing - it makes it difficult to
understand what you actually mean.

I'm totally lost here. What are you talking about?!

I would think that should be understood that this discussion is about
Google's ranking algorithm and rules for evaluating inbound links. If
this was not the case, it should be clear now.

MrGamma, if by "imaginary laws" you mean Google's algorithm, then no -
I don't think we should "get rid of it".

Hi John

I'm not familiar with the website of the original poster, so I'll
stick to discussing the principal issue.

I will make this claim: If you can obtain inbound links on linkfarms
and other pesky places, and this will get you penalised, then any
other person will be able to do this too. That is my main concern.

You say that in your experience it is not such a big problem. So we
can agree that lacking any scientific studies, we don't know the real
extent of the problem. I would suspect that it could become a bigger
problem in the future. As more and more companies realise the
importance of Google rankings, it will become increasingly profitable
to strike at your competitors compared to spending a lot of money on
optimising own content. A company could simply find some agency in the
third world that could do this task for them.

This indicates to me that you handle these cases manually. This is
great if you have the staff for it, but will you be able to keep up in
the future, or wont we need a technical solution at some point?

Your absolutely right... Google is a little light on their
documentation regarding inbound links... but inbound links are not
going to take you of the index... could you imagine the implications
this would imply if it were possible... Google does to a certain
extend evaluate what your site is about by examining the inbound links
to your site... but it does not take you out of the index as a result.

I'm sorry... What I mean is that if Google did not penalize bad
neighborhoods or spammers then we would have a much higher frequency
of spam in the search results... It's a search engines intention to
show quality information in the search results. A website which has
numerous links to a "bad neighborhood" is credited as having a
relationship with the information found on that site.

There are very few assumptions which Google makes. One of them is that
the information it finds on a page is there for a reason. It's an
entirely automated process. A computer cannot know the intention of a
piece of information. It can only know if it exists. Or if it does not
exist.

I am referring to your remarks regarding real life. It is in fact
absolutely possible for me to go to my neighbors office and blow it
up. The laws exist not to prevent such a thing from happening but to
detour something from happening and to penalize those who do the wrong
thing.

From the perspective of a search engine. It is not within their power
to prevent you from promoting porno websites. They can only recognize
that you are and rank your site accordingly.

As for other people linking to your site which is completely out of
your control. I can say whatever I want about you. I can scream at the
top of my lungs about you and your business and tell the world what I
think of it... It's the nature of free speech and democracy in
general... We all have a right to have an opinion. The nature of free
speech is reflected in the search engines as well... If 1,000,000
people poin t links to my site and refer to it as a Hurricane Katrina
relief website... Then Google is going to listen to what those people
have to say. If 1,000,000 people point links at a tobacco companies
website and call them porn hustlers... well... Google is to a certain
degree going to think they are porn hustlers... But that doesn't mean
Google is going to forget that they are tobacco dealers...

Can you imagine what would happen if I could control another persons
website entirely? I would have to own it... I can certainly cast my
opinion towards it however... It's the nature of free speech and I
think it's actually quite brilliant...

The most important thing that you should realize is that as far as
Google is concerned... Not all voters are considered equal. Some
voters carry more weight than others... That's something that you
should consider when a seemingly powerless spammer starts to fire
links at your site... until they have credibility recognized by others
on the web... they are certainly not ogin to have a whole lot of
credibility when casting opinion towards your site.

To clarify... Google may revoke your voter privilege if your caught
creating artificial networks of political voters... paid link
schemes... but your still going to be found in the index...

Anyways... I could be right on one level and wrong on another... in
the end... I don't think you have anything to worry about...

Oh... I just re-read this thread... The example that has been provided
is worthless...

I can pull up keywords for that page if safe search is on or not...

http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Comments+on+Fraud+Aid%22

http://www.google.ca/search?num=100&safe=active&q=%22Comments+on+Frau...

The most likely reason it's failing in the search results is either
because OP is imagining it... or because it's on a page which is
naturally losing position... most likely due to it being a forum
thread...

Does the safe search filter even work?

http://www.google.ca/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=active&q=%22It+is+vita...

Hi Patrickb

There are a lot of factors involved and this is certainly not
something we take lightly. Google is a very data-driven company, so
you can be sure that people are looking at a lot of data about this
kind of problem. When we make adjustments because of issues brought to
our attention, they are generally on an algorithm level: we made over
400 changes last year alone.

In general, I think webmasters would be better off working on
improving the quality of their own sites than assuming that some evil,
outside factor is involved in making the website rank worse than hoped
for.

John

Hi John

I just stumbled over this thread, and I'm not here because this
happened to me. But thats no reason not to be concerned, if there is
in fact a real danger. People install anti-virus software and protect
their websites against hacking - even if it has never happened to
them. So I'm not worried about "some evil, outside factor", I'm
worried about real people doing real things that are actually possible
in order to harm my website.

When all this is said, I have confidence that Google will solve such
an incident when it comes to your attention. So of course I'm going to
continue working on my own website, and of course I hope that this
will never happen to me!

Suprise suprise (not) ... Google and links... . and issues.
:shakes head:

Yes, it should technically be possible to damage other sites by this
method.
Yes, it most likely is happening.
No, there is nothign you can do about it if it is possible, as it's
due to the rather backwards idea of ranking a site on such things as
inbound links etc.

Instead of a penalty being applied, the obvious route is to provide a
positive for inbound links.
This positive should be seperate from the score for your site content.
You get links that say 'green parrot' - then your site gets a score
for the search term 'green parrots.

If your site/page is about Green Parrots, this is good.
Google will look up sites with Green Parrot content, and then look at
sites with Green Parrot links.
Then it will look for sites with both Content and Links.
Then order them

If not, who the hell cares, as your site is not likely to be ranking
very well for the term Green Parrot anyway.
Because the link score is seperate, it would not 'dilute' your content
score.

Sorry folks at G... I know the majority of you had nothing to do with
the original idea - but originally, the idea sucked - and it still
does.
You were warned to begin with it had serious issues - and still it
continued.
Tough.
Now it means you have to deal with the fact that some people have
cottoned on, and they are not nice people.

I suggest that
a) people start figuring a way to implement changes that won't cripple/
kill the current 'status quo'
b) take the original idea into a back room and shoot it.

So John, since you are monitoring this thread, and Bowling said it
sounded like my site may have been googlebowled, yet you are telling
him that is not the issue with his site, then please take a look at
mine, since no one ever responds to my emails for a reconsideration
request.  I can't imagine some of our older NSFW stuff is what got us
penalized, since I see similar sites with much more NSFW material
outrank mine on a regular basis in SERP.  Yes, there are references to
porn, but no actual porn.  It goes along with the territory in
celebrity gossip news.  And if that were the issue, then there is one
site that is always at the top of the SERP in our genre that should be
having the same issues my site does.  We haven't posted NSFW material
in quite some time and have gotten rid of a good deal of it on the
older posts.  We did have paid links (a total of 8 over a two week
period in October), then I read the TOS and have since removed those
links and have not, nor will I, have paid links on the site again.  As
far as images go, we now purchase our images from Wenn, but there
again, the sites that are outranking mine are NOT purchasing photos,
so I don't see how that is a factor either.  Any feedback would be
greatly appreciated.

On Jun 17, 6:56 am, JohnMu wrote:

What happens if the inbound value of a link to a site is in relation
to every other website on the web... which it most likely is...

So... for example...

100 websites exist on the web... 100 websites all point links at one
of those sites with the word "parrot" in the link...

Then those 100 sites decide to point an additional link at the site
with the word "eagle" in the link...

Does this mean the website with all the links pointed at it will fall
off the charts when a search for parrot is performed...

I don't think that makes alot of sense... How exactly is Google
Bowling supposed to work?

You are 'bowling it over' and 'knocking down sites' ?

Basically, you get sites removed from the 'Safe' results by pointing
to it with lots of adult links.
google see's all these links - see's that they contain 'unsafe' terms
and assumes that the destination site is 'not safe'.

.

As to the Green Parrot thing - pelase re-read it.
What was provided was an example of a 'possibly better way' to handle
the link valuing - seperate from content valuing... and with no
negatives/penalties incurred through inbound links.

I understand that links are important and a moderate way to measure -
but I'm betting that there are a few holes in the method at present,
and some folk have figured it out.
(and more peopel have figured it out and are screaming about it?)

OK I will stick my neck out even farther here.

Mr. MU you have repeatedly stated that the site in question (my site)
has quality/content problems.
I guess I would counter with these two searches [lottery information]
and [lottery info], please note the #1 listings and the fact that the
site (my site) is listed as a 'site links' site by google. So Mr. Mu
your argument that google finds my site light on content or has
problems with being indexed is in fact not correct, at least as far as
the google search algo is concerned.

Let me explain this problem little further.
The site lots0cash.com is a lottery info and directory site that has
been online for over eight years.
During that time we received thousands of complaints and inquiries
about scam lottery emails that people were receiving. So one day we
decided to start publishing the scam lottery letters at
http://www.lots0cash.com/directory/thread/782/
and
http://www.lots0cash.com/directory/thread/1379/

After I started publishing these scam emails, I noticed that people
were searching for parts of the scam emails and my site was coming up
in the top three for those searches.

I guess this made the spammers angry, so they started piling on the
porno links. BUT ONLY to one specific page (http://www.lots0cash.com/
directory/thread/782/) that specific page had info that the criminals
did not want to show up when people searched for parts of those scam
emails. (see those links here...
http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lots0c...

So before my site started getting attacked, my site was #1 for
[lottery scam], in the top three for [email scam] and in the top five
for many many related terms.

I know for a fact that because of my site was showing up in searches
for these scam emails that hundreds of people avoided getting scammed
by these criminals. I fact I am very proud of.

However after hundreds of  very nasty porn links were all pointed
toward a single page on my site, http://www.lots0cash.com/directory/thread/782/
my site no longer shows up for for ANY keywords related to scam
emails.

So Mr. Mu please stop saying it's my site... It's not (granted the
site could use a lot more work, like most sites it is a work in
progress).

So in fact googlebowling DOES WORK to stop site from showing up for
specific keywords if a page containing those keywords is attacked by
porn links. This is now also starting to effect the sites rankings in
general (this site has been one of the top sites in it's niche for
years) and traffic is falling like a rock.

I only posted here because I needed some help from google so I could
keep helping people from getting ripped off by these scam emails and
all I get are repeated veiled insults from the google rep.

On Jun 17, 4:56 am, JohnMu wrote: