Hey, i started a thread on this a few days ago, only had one follower
and kinda got lost. Fixed a lot of what webado said to fix but i
wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas.
In webmaster tools you get a set of links to see what google thinks it
knows about your site.
Now i can see this having a HUGE impact on my PR, and my just general
web hits. I have called Google's 800# only to talk to a person that
had no clue what was going on, and who could give me no email, no
support line, no help whatsoever.
Can anyone out there give me a clue of how i can start to get this
fixed? Its been like this for months now. I have updated sitemaps,
ping'd the server, everything i know how to do. I have every verified
tag or webmaster tool enabled. I use adwords, googlecheckout, google
BASE, everything.
Only thing we were able to find that is not fixed, is that both the
sites have the name nameserver DNS. Problem with that logic though,
is that like 10,000,000 sites use ns1 and ns2.secure.net and i can't
believe Google would ever be that dumb.
I also recently (2 weeks ago) did a change over to a newer server, new
ip. Still no change.
I had this same problem with one of my sites a while back. Once
Google started the "remove URL" feature I was able to take advantage
of it so that only one URL showed up in the rankings.
I am not sure you guys read me correctly, but i did take some action
from your replies. I submitted a cache removal from the webmaster
tools and explained the situation. We shall see what this does. :).
FYI, Garment-district.com is not affiliated with my site, not on the
same box, not the same ip, different owners, just showing up. So i
can't setup 301's, can't fix links.
> I had this same problem with one of my sites a while back. Once
> Google started the "remove URL" feature I was able to take advantage
> of it so that only one URL showed up in the rankings.
And yes, i found it with some research on yahoo.com :). Trust me, for
the savvy it's not too hard to find, but i do not want to hand it out,
have them change it, and be completely lost again.
It did not work, nothing changed. They denied 2 of my attempts, then
i put a meta no crawl and it was accepted, days later i tried to allow
it back in, still nothing. I have a feeling that this is going to be
a huge issue for me. Can anyone look at my sites information,
www.HomeSweetFurniture.com and see the problem at least? See if they
have any clues as to where i can go, do, or change to fix this cache/
pagerank issue? My site has no pagerank, therefore i get no natural
hits, because my page rank is that of another site. Googlebot is
CONSTANTLY crawling my site, and it never fixes it. UGH!
> I am not sure you guys read me correctly, but i did take some action
> from your replies. I submitted a cache removal from the webmaster
> tools and explained the situation. We shall see what this does. :).
> FYI, Garment-district.com is not affiliated with my site, not on the
> same box, not the same ip, different owners, just showing up. So i
> can't setup 301's, can't fix links.
> > I had this same problem with one of my sites a while back. Once
> > Google started the "remove URL" feature I was able to take advantage
> > of it so that only one URL showed up in the rankings.
Your site appears to be on the same hosting service as garment-
district.com and garmentdistrict.com, which opens the possibility of a
DNS/virtual hosting problem which would possibly explain your site's
problems having the two sites' data intermixed. A Google employee
named Matt Cutts has written about this from time to time, and I'm
afraid I don't know the technical issues involved, but it looks to me
like you should strongly consider moving to a new host. Its a lot
less painful than it sounds. Good luck!
> It did not work, nothing changed. They denied 2 of my attempts, then
> i put a meta no crawl and it was accepted, days later i tried to allow
> it back in, still nothing. I have a feeling that this is going to be
> a huge issue for me. Can anyone look at my sites information,www.HomeSweetFurniture.comand see the problem at least? See if they
> have any clues as to where i can go, do, or change to fix this cache/
> pagerank issue? My site has no pagerank, therefore i get no natural
> hits, because my page rank is that of another site. Googlebot is
> CONSTANTLY crawling my site, and it never fixes it. UGH!
> On Dec 8, 4:22 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > I am not sure you guys read me correctly, but i did take some action
> > from your replies. I submitted a cache removal from the webmaster
> > tools and explained the situation. We shall see what this does. :).
> > FYI, Garment-district.com is not affiliated with my site, not on the
> > same box, not the same ip, different owners, just showing up. So i
> > can't setup 301's, can't fix links.
> > > I had this same problem with one of my sites a while back. Once
> > > Google started the "remove URL" feature I was able to take advantage
> > > of it so that only one URL showed up in the rankings.
> Now i can see this having a HUGE impact on my PR, and my just general
> web hits. I have called Google's 800# only to talk to a person that
> had no clue what was going on, and who could give me no email, no
> support line, no help whatsoever.
Howdy,
Google simply can't afford to answer questions via their 800 number.
It would cost a small fortune to provide technical support that way.
Your problem is part of the reason I recommend using the Robots Meta
tag with "NOARCHIVE" on all web site pages.
Legally speaking, Google and the other search engines do not have
permission to republish any web site with their heading at the top.
There are some nasty words for it when other web sites steal content
for their own profit.
I suspect your problem is yet another occurance of the "Google
Glitches" that mangle or lose site data. It crops up all over the
place and seems to be reported more frequently here on the forum.
Often, it fixes itself after the sites are scanned again.
Use the Robots "NOARCHIVE" Meta tag so people will go direct to your
web site.
Yeah but, my pagerank is showing up at 7, which i know is not my site
(we are relatively small and new). I am worried that all my pages PR
Plus's are being coupled with the other sites and lost on me. I want
to stand for my own, so that my work can go to my own gain, not that
of some random site. I cannot with from VERIO, i will try and see if
i can get on a different NS ip, but i don't think that's the issue. I
use verio.com, they host 100's of thousands of sites, all with the
same name server. The two sites have different IP's, so that
shouldn't be the issue. It's ridiculous that this is happening,
google is the most advanced company on earth right?
> On Dec 7, 9:49 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > Now i can see this having a HUGE impact on my PR, and my just general
> > web hits. I have called Google's 800# only to talk to a person that
> > had no clue what was going on, and who could give me no email, no
> > support line, no help whatsoever.
> Howdy,
> Google simply can't afford to answer questions via their 800 number.
> It would cost a small fortune to provide technical support that way.
> Your problem is part of the reason I recommend using the Robots Meta
> tag with "NOARCHIVE" on all web site pages.
> Legally speaking, Google and the other search engines do not have
> permission to republish any web site with their heading at the top.
> There are some nasty words for it when other web sites steal content
> for their own profit.
> I suspect your problem is yet another occurance of the "Google
> Glitches" that mangle or lose site data. It crops up all over the
> place and seems to be reported more frequently here on the forum.
> Often, it fixes itself after the sites are scanned again.
> Use the Robots "NOARCHIVE" Meta tag so people will go direct to your
> web site.
> Yeah but, my pagerank is showing up at 7, which i know is not my site
> (we are relatively small and new). ...
Howdy,
Google gives new web sites a boost so they have a chance to pick up
hits to help build their ranking. Then they shift the new site to
normal ranking.
> shouldn't be the issue. It's ridiculous that this is happening,
> google is the most advanced company on earth right?
Big and popular do not necessarily equate to "advanced". In fact, it
is very often the opposite. The strange and unexpected errors are
very frustrating and it may take a while before Google can get them
under control. In the meantime, we have to be patient while
subsequent scans unsnarl things.
Problem is, Chris, that's not my pagerank. If you have the tool bar,
go to my site, and view the cached page. Not only is it not my site,
but the page says garment-district.com up in the google stuff.
Baffling....
> On Dec 16, 1:50 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > Yeah but, my pagerank is showing up at 7, which i know is not my site
> > (we are relatively small and new). ...
> Howdy,
> Google gives new web sites a boost so they have a chance to pick up
> hits to help build their ranking. Then they shift the new site to
> normal ranking.
> > shouldn't be the issue. It's ridiculous that this is happening,
> > google is the most advanced company on earth right?
> Big and popular do not necessarily equate to "advanced". In fact, it
> is very often the opposite. The strange and unexpected errors are
> very frustrating and it may take a while before Google can get them
> under control. In the meantime, we have to be patient while
> subsequent scans unsnarl things.
This is what I see in the cache... Where do you see the garment
district reference?
This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.homesweetfurniture.com/ as
retrieved on 13 Dec 2007 17:26:25 GMT.
G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we
crawled the web.
The page may have changed since that time. Click here for the current
page without highlighting.
This cached page may reference images which are no longer available.
Click here for the cached text only.
> This is what I see in the cache... Where do you see the garment
> district reference?
> This is G o o g l e's cache ofhttp://www.homesweetfurniture.com/as > retrieved on 13 Dec 2007 17:26:25 GMT.
> G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we
> crawled the web.
> The page may have changed since that time. Click here for the current
> page without highlighting.
> This cached page may reference images which are no longer available.
> Click here for the cached text only.
> Strange,
> If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> I see this garment-district.com
> But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> it displays your cached homepage correctly.
I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
guesses.
I tried accessing your site via various tools in
real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
but no strange redirections are to be found.
The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
however the site IP addresses are different.
By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
When did you first notice this cache: issue?
Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> [..] Really wish they just scanned
> over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> guesses.
Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
Abracadabra
On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > I see this garment-district.com
> > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> guesses.
We did switch servers about a month ago, although this issue was
happening before. I have also tried to remove from cache with the
REMOVE URLS feature in webmaster tools, it did nothing for me. I am
so glad that i am finally in a thread where people see what's
happening and can recreate. I really hope someone can help me out to
find out what's going on.
> I tried accessing your site via various tools in
> real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
> but no strange redirections are to be found.
> The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
> site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
> however the site IP addresses are different.
> By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
> being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
> in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
> data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
> When did you first notice this cache: issue?
> Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> > [..] Really wish they just scanned
> > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > guesses.
> Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
> at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
> If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
> Abracadabra
> On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > > I see this garment-district.com
> > > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> > I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> > When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> > google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> > site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> > I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> > seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> > said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> > this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> > doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> > just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> > of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > guesses.
Just trying to bump this back into view, the cahce of my site was
removed, i disallowed google, the whole nine. Still getting the cache
of garment-district.com and their pagerank from the toolbar though.
On Dec 20 2007, 5:27 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> We did switch servers about a month ago, although this issue was
> happening before. I have also tried to remove from cache with the
> REMOVE URLS feature in webmaster tools, it did nothing for me. I am
> so glad that i am finally in a thread where people see what's
> happening and can recreate. I really hope someone can help me out to
> find out what's going on.
> > I tried accessing your site via various tools in
> > real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
> > but no strange redirections are to be found.
> > The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
> > site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
> > however the site IP addresses are different.
> > By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
> > being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
> > in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
> > data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
> > When did you first notice this cache: issue?
> > Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> > > [..] Really wish they just scanned
> > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > guesses.
> > Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
> > at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
> > If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
> > Abracadabra
> > On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > > > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > > > I see this garment-district.com
> > > > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > > > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> > > I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> > > When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> > > google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> > > site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> > > I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> > > seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> > > said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> > > this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> > > doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> > > just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> > > of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > guesses.
These all reside at the IP address where your
homesweetfurniture.com is hosted; 198.66.140.142
Unless this is intentional for all these sites it would
seem there is a hosting or DNS issue (or both).
While this does not explaining why your issue is
happening directly, this may be part of a bigger issue
that is the source of the problem.
It seems to reason that since the cache: operator
results (and the toolbar cache) keep updating with fresh
copies of the same wrong site week after week, Google
must be getting this garment-district.com data from somewhere.
You might bring this up with Verio.
Maybe you could move to another host
and nameserver as RainboRick suggested.
Best of luck,
Abracadabra
On Jan 2, 5:38 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> Just trying to bump this back into view, the cahce of my site was
> removed, i disallowed google, the whole nine. Still getting the cache
> of garment-district.com and their pagerank from the toolbar though.
> On Dec 20 2007, 5:27 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > We did switch servers about a month ago, although this issue was
> > happening before. I have also tried to remove from cache with the
> > REMOVE URLS feature in webmaster tools, it did nothing for me. I am
> > so glad that i am finally in a thread where people see what's
> > happening and can recreate. I really hope someone can help me out to
> > find out what's going on.
> > > I tried accessing your site via various tools in
> > > real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
> > > but no strange redirections are to be found.
> > > The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
> > > site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
> > > however the site IP addresses are different.
> > > By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
> > > being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
> > > in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
> > > data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
> > > When did you first notice this cache: issue?
> > > Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> > > > [..] Really wish they just scanned
> > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > guesses.
> > > Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
> > > at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
> > > If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
> > > Abracadabra
> > > On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > > > > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > > > > I see this garment-district.com
> > > > > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > > > > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> > > > I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> > > > When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> > > > google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> > > > site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> > > > I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> > > > seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> > > > said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> > > > this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> > > > doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> > > > just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> > > > of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > guesses.- Hide quoted text -
> Just trying to bump this back into view, the cahce of my site was
> removed, i disallowed google, the whole nine. Still getting the cache
> of garment-district.com and their pagerank from the toolbar though.
> On Dec 20 2007, 5:27 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > We did switch servers about a month ago, although this issue was
> > happening before. I have also tried to remove from cache with the
> > REMOVE URLS feature in webmaster tools, it did nothing for me. I am
> > so glad that i am finally in a thread where people see what's
> > happening and can recreate. I really hope someone can help me out to
> > find out what's going on.
> > > I tried accessing your site via various tools in
> > > real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
> > > but no strange redirections are to be found.
> > > The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
> > > site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
> > > however the site IP addresses are different.
> > > By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
> > > being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
> > > in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
> > > data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
> > > When did you first notice this cache: issue?
> > > Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> > > > [..] Really wish they just scanned
> > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > guesses.
> > > Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
> > > at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
> > > If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
> > > Abracadabra
> > > On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > > > > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > > > > I see this garment-district.com
> > > > > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > > > > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> > > > I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> > > > When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> > > > google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> > > > site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> > > > I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> > > > seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> > > > said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> > > > this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> > > > doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> > > > just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> > > > of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > guesses.
All these meta tags are broken. They shoudl be clsoe with > not with /
> because you are not using an xhtml doctype.
<meta name="Description" content=" "/>
<meta name="verify-v1"
content="+nBbDLydOQAh0LKE28cLOmkC0oAZVPCBLge1Ztq8dOI=" />
<meta name="Keywords" content=", "/>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1"/>
<meta name="author" content="Home Sweet Furniture" />
<meta name="expires" content="NEVER" />
<meta name="publisher" content="Home Sweet Furniture" />
<meta name="copyright" content="2007 Home Sweet Furniture" />
<meta name="page-topic" content="Furniture" />
<meta name="keywords" content="Furniture, Furniture stores, furniture
store, Living room, Office furniture, Bedroom, Dining room, Baby
furniture, Kansas City, Nationwide, United States, Country, TV, Video,
Deals, Discount, New Furniture, Ashley Furniture, Albany, Kathy
Ireland, Cheap" />
<meta name="description" content="Home Sweet Furniture is a furniture
store with a wide assortment of home furniture and home furnishing
products - bedroom furniture, living room furniture, dining room
furniture, kids furniture, home office furniture, and accents." />
<meta name="page-type" content="Commercial" />
<meta name="audience" content="All" />
<meta name="robots" content="INDEX,FOLLOW" />
And just what is this meta tag doing here? This tells Googlebot not to
index the page nor follow any links from it. So your homepage will not
be recrawled and indexed and recached as long as you have this meta
tag here.
<META NAME="GOOGLEBOT" CONTENT="NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW">
> I wish there was some sort of way to "escalate" this to the Googler's,
> so they notice it.
> On Jan 2, 4:38 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > Just trying to bump this back into view, the cahce of my site was
> > removed, i disallowed google, the whole nine. Still getting the cache
> > of garment-district.com and their pagerank from the toolbar though.
> > On Dec 20 2007, 5:27 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > We did switch servers about a month ago, although this issue was
> > > happening before. I have also tried to remove from cache with the
> > > REMOVE URLS feature in webmaster tools, it did nothing for me. I am
> > > so glad that i am finally in a thread where people see what's
> > > happening and can recreate. I really hope someone can help me out to
> > > find out what's going on.
> > > > I tried accessing your site via various tools in
> > > > real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
> > > > but no strange redirections are to be found.
> > > > The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
> > > > site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
> > > > however the site IP addresses are different.
> > > > By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
> > > > being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
> > > > in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
> > > > data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
> > > > When did you first notice this cache: issue?
> > > > Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> > > > > [..] Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > guesses.
> > > > Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
> > > > at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
> > > > If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
> > > > Abracadabra
> > > > On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > > On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > > > > > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > > > > > I see this garment-district.com
> > > > > > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > > > > > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> > > > > I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> > > > > When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> > > > > google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> > > > > site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> > > > > I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> > > > > seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> > > > > said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> > > > > this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> > > > > doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> > > > > just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> > > > > of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > guesses.- Hide quoted text -
A lot of "homesweetstuff" here. All of those parked sites which
disaply the same content as homesweetfurniture.com MUST get 301
redirected to your homesweetfurniture.com domain. No question about
this at all.
I am not seeing a dns problem NOW (it may be very well hidden), but
the robots meta tag that tells Googlebot not to index the homepage
means nothing is likely to change in the cache.
> These all reside at the IP address where your
> homesweetfurniture.com is hosted; 198.66.140.142
> Unless this is intentional for all these sites it would
> seem there is a hosting or DNS issue (or both).
> While this does not explaining why your issue is
> happening directly, this may be part of a bigger issue
> that is the source of the problem.
> It seems to reason that since the cache: operator
> results (and the toolbar cache) keep updating with fresh
> copies of the same wrong site week after week, Google
> must be getting this garment-district.com data from somewhere.
> You might bring this up with Verio.
> Maybe you could move to another host
> and nameserver as RainboRick suggested.
> Best of luck,
> Abracadabra
> On Jan 2, 5:38 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > Just trying to bump this back into view, the cahce of my site was
> > removed, i disallowed google, the whole nine. Still getting the cache
> > of garment-district.com and their pagerank from the toolbar though.
> > On Dec 20 2007, 5:27 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > We did switch servers about a month ago, although this issue was
> > > happening before. I have also tried to remove from cache with the
> > > REMOVE URLS feature in webmaster tools, it did nothing for me. I am
> > > so glad that i am finally in a thread where people see what's
> > > happening and can recreate. I really hope someone can help me out to
> > > find out what's going on.
> > > > I tried accessing your site via various tools in
> > > > real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
> > > > but no strange redirections are to be found.
> > > > The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
> > > > site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
> > > > however the site IP addresses are different.
> > > > By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
> > > > being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
> > > > in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
> > > > data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
> > > > When did you first notice this cache: issue?
> > > > Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> > > > > [..] Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > guesses.
> > > > Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
> > > > at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
> > > > If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
> > > > Abracadabra
> > > > On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > > On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > > > > > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > > > > > I see this garment-district.com
> > > > > > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > > > > > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> > > > > I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> > > > > When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> > > > > google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> > > > > site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> > > > > I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> > > > > seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> > > > > said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> > > > > this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> > > > > doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> > > > > just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> > > > > of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > guesses.- Hide quoted text -
> Whatever happene to actually fixing broken code?
> All these meta tags are broken. They shoudl be clsoe with > not with /
> > because you are not using an xhtml doctype.
> <meta name="Description" content=" "/>
> <meta name="verify-v1"
> content="+nBbDLydOQAh0LKE28cLOmkC0oAZVPCBLge1Ztq8dOI=" />
> <meta name="Keywords" content=", "/>
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> charset=iso-8859-1"/>
> <meta name="author" content="Home Sweet Furniture" />
> <meta name="expires" content="NEVER" />
> <meta name="publisher" content="Home Sweet Furniture" />
> <meta name="copyright" content="2007 Home Sweet Furniture" />
> <meta name="page-topic" content="Furniture" />
> <meta name="keywords" content="Furniture, Furniture stores, furniture
> store, Living room, Office furniture, Bedroom, Dining room, Baby
> furniture, Kansas City, Nationwide, United States, Country, TV, Video,
> Deals, Discount, New Furniture, Ashley Furniture, Albany, Kathy
> Ireland, Cheap" />
> <meta name="description" content="Home Sweet Furniture is a furniture
> store with a wide assortment of home furniture and home furnishing
> products - bedroom furniture, living room furniture, dining room
> furniture, kids furniture, home office furniture, and accents." />
> <meta name="page-type" content="Commercial" />
> <meta name="audience" content="All" />
> <meta name="robots" content="INDEX,FOLLOW" />
> And just what is this meta tag doing here? This tells Googlebot not to
> index the page nor follow any links from it. So your homepage will not
> be recrawled and indexed and recached as long as you have this meta
> tag here.
> <META NAME="GOOGLEBOT" CONTENT="NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW">
> > I wish there was some sort of way to "escalate" this to the Googler's,
> > so they notice it.
> > On Jan 2, 4:38 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > Just trying to bump this back into view, the cahce of my site was
> > > removed, i disallowed google, the whole nine. Still getting the cache
> > > of garment-district.com and their pagerank from the toolbar though.
> > > On Dec 20 2007, 5:27 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > We did switch servers about a month ago, although this issue was
> > > > happening before. I have also tried to remove from cache with the
> > > > REMOVE URLS feature in webmaster tools, it did nothing for me. I am
> > > > so glad that i am finally in a thread where people see what's
> > > > happening and can recreate. I really hope someone can help me out to
> > > > find out what's going on.
> > > > > I tried accessing your site via various tools in
> > > > > real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
> > > > > but no strange redirections are to be found.
> > > > > The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
> > > > > site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
> > > > > however the site IP addresses are different.
> > > > > By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
> > > > > being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
> > > > > in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
> > > > > data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
> > > > > When did you first notice this cache: issue?
> > > > > Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> > > > > > [..] Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > > guesses.
> > > > > Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
> > > > > at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
> > > > > If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
> > > > > Abracadabra
> > > > > On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > > > > > > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > > > > > > I see this garment-district.com
> > > > > > > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > > > > > > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> > > > > > I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> > > > > > When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> > > > > > google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> > > > > > site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> > > > > > I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> > > > > > seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> > > > > > said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> > > > > > this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> > > > > > doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> > > > > > just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> > > > > > of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > > guesses.- Hide quoted text -
> I wish there was some sort of way to "escalate" this to the Googler's,
> so they notice it.
> On Jan 2, 4:38 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > Just trying to bump this back into view, the cahce of my site was
> > removed, i disallowed google, the whole nine. Still getting the cache
> > of garment-district.com and their pagerank from the toolbar though.
> > On Dec 20 2007, 5:27 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > We did switch servers about a month ago, although this issue was
> > > happening before. I have also tried to remove from cache with the
> > > REMOVE URLS feature in webmaster tools, it did nothing for me. I am
> > > so glad that i am finally in a thread where people see what's
> > > happening and can recreate. I really hope someone can help me out to
> > > find out what's going on.
> > > > I tried accessing your site via various tools in
> > > > real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
> > > > but no strange redirections are to be found.
> > > > The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
> > > > site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
> > > > however the site IP addresses are different.
> > > > By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
> > > > being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
> > > > in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
> > > > data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
> > > > When did you first notice this cache: issue?
> > > > Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> > > > > [..] Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > guesses.
> > > > Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
> > > > at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
> > > > If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
> > > > Abracadabra
> > > > On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > > On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > > > > > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > > > > > I see this garment-district.com
> > > > > > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > > > > > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> > > > > I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> > > > > When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> > > > > google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> > > > > site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> > > > > I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> > > > > seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> > > > > said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> > > > > this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> > > > > doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> > > > > just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> > > > > of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > guesses.- Hide quoted text -
True, I saw that but some of the others like
mittlem1.securesites.net
Just don't seem to make sense.
> the robots meta tag [...}
That is recent, within the last week or so.
This issue is over 3 months old.
If you look back in the thread you will see that what the
cache link returned by using the site operator was always
correct for this site.
It was only the toolbar cache and the cache: operator itself
that presented (and continues to show) the wrong site.
In any case, I feel there is a difference in the way
the data the cache: operator returns is obtained and
what the cache is and where that comes from that
you see when using the site: operator.
It would be great if a Googler could jump in and
provide some insight.
> A lot of "homesweetstuff" here. All of those parked sites which
> disaply the same content as homesweetfurniture.com MUST get 301
> redirected to your homesweetfurniture.com domain. No question about
> this at all.
> I am not seeing a dns problem NOW (it may be very well hidden), but
> the robots meta tag that tells Googlebot not to index the homepage
> means nothing is likely to change in the cache.
> On Jan 3, 2:49 am, abracadabra wrote:
> > Sorry to see you are still getting the wrong site returned
> > (garment-district.com)
> > when you check your site homesweetfurniture.com
> > As I mentioned before, This same wrong result can be
> > found when using the cache: operator in a google search
> > cache:homesweetfurniture.com
> > The date on this cache keeps incrementing so this is
> > not some old value. Currently it is for Dec 31 2007.
> > I am really starting to wonder if there is something not
> > 100% correct in your hosting\DNS.
> > Consider this. These following sites bring up
> > your homesweetfurniture.com site when browsed.
> > These all reside at the IP address where your
> > homesweetfurniture.com is hosted; 198.66.140.142
> > Unless this is intentional for all these sites it would
> > seem there is a hosting or DNS issue (or both).
> > While this does not explaining why your issue is
> > happening directly, this may be part of a bigger issue
> > that is the source of the problem.
> > It seems to reason that since the cache: operator
> > results (and the toolbar cache) keep updating with fresh
> > copies of the same wrong site week after week, Google
> > must be getting this garment-district.com data from somewhere.
> > You might bring this up with Verio.
> > Maybe you could move to another host
> > and nameserver as RainboRick suggested.
> > Best of luck,
> > Abracadabra
> > On Jan 2, 5:38 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > Just trying to bump this back into view, the cahce of my site was
> > > removed, i disallowed google, the whole nine. Still getting the cache
> > > of garment-district.com and their pagerank from the toolbar though.
> > > On Dec 20 2007, 5:27 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > We did switch servers about a month ago, although this issue was
> > > > happening before. I have also tried to remove from cache with the
> > > > REMOVE URLS feature in webmaster tools, it did nothing for me. I am
> > > > so glad that i am finally in a thread where people see what's
> > > > happening and can recreate. I really hope someone can help me out to
> > > > find out what's going on.
> > > > > I tried accessing your site via various tools in
> > > > > real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
> > > > > but no strange redirections are to be found.
> > > > > The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
> > > > > site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
> > > > > however the site IP addresses are different.
> > > > > By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
> > > > > being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
> > > > > in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
> > > > > data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
> > > > > When did you first notice this cache: issue?
> > > > > Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> > > > > > [..] Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > > guesses.
> > > > > Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
> > > > > at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
> > > > > If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
> > > > > Abracadabra
> > > > > On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > > > > > > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > > > > > > I see this garment-district.com
> > > > > > > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > > > > > > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> > > > > > I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> > > > > > When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> > > > > > google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> > > > > > site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> > > > > > I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> > > > > > seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> > > > > > said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> > > > > > this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> > > > > > doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> > > > > > just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> > > > > > of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > > guesses.- Hide quoted text -
garment-disctrict.com currently shows another IP
for their server 161.58.8.154 as opposed to
198.66.140.142 for the homesweetfurniture site but
this does not necessarily mean they are not on the
same physical server.
I don't know if homesweetfurniture was on that IP
before they moved to the current one. They didn't say.
> And I see you have an SSL cert. This is not allowed be for an IP
> address shared among domains. It has to be unique for a given domain.
> Your IP right now is shared with all your parked domains and with the
> garment-disctrict.com site and who knows what other sites on that same
> server.
> This is an absolute No-No.
> Your hoster should not have installed that SSL cert on a shared IP.
> On Jan 3, 2:51 am, JLH wrote:
> > I wish there was some sort of way to "escalate" this to the Googler's,
> > so they notice it.
> > On Jan 2, 4:38 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > Just trying to bump this back into view, the cahce of my site was
> > > removed, i disallowed google, the whole nine. Still getting the cache
> > > of garment-district.com and their pagerank from the toolbar though.
> > > On Dec 20 2007, 5:27 pm, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > We did switch servers about a month ago, although this issue was
> > > > happening before. I have also tried to remove from cache with the
> > > > REMOVE URLS feature in webmaster tools, it did nothing for me. I am
> > > > so glad that i am finally in a thread where people see what's
> > > > happening and can recreate. I really hope someone can help me out to
> > > > find out what's going on.
> > > > > I tried accessing your site via various tools in
> > > > > real time even using Googlebot as the referrer
> > > > > but no strange redirections are to be found.
> > > > > The only relation I see between your homesweetfurniture.com
> > > > > site and that garment-district site is the nameservers,
> > > > > however the site IP addresses are different.
> > > > > By the way, It is unlikely that your PageRank is
> > > > > being misdistributed as you say. The PageRank
> > > > > in the toolbar is not real time and just represents
> > > > > data from sometime in the past. (Likely ~ October)
> > > > > When did you first notice this cache: issue?
> > > > > Were there any DNS or hosting changes around that time?
> > > > > > [..] Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > > guesses.
> > > > > Also - Googlers do scan these forums and respond
> > > > > at times. Maybe we will get lucky!
> > > > > If I find anything relevant to this issue I'll be sure to post back.
> > > > > Abracadabra
> > > > > On Dec 20, 11:12 am, HomeSweetFurniture.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Dec 19, 3:20 am, abracadabra wrote:> Strange,
> > > > > > > If I browse to your site and then use the toolbar cache option
> > > > > > > I see this garment-district.com
> > > > > > > But If I use the site: operator and click on the cache link
> > > > > > > it displays your cached homepage correctly.
> > > > > > I hadn't tried that yet, but i got a slightly different response.
> > > > > > When i did the site and clicked cache, i see what you see. But when i
> > > > > > google cache:homesweetfurniture.com i go right to my favorite little
> > > > > > site (garment-district.com)'s cache.
> > > > > > I have no idea how the person above's toolbar shows my own, i have not
> > > > > > seen that on any computers. I am 100% lost now. I hope what abra
> > > > > > said is accurate and that it just is like a DNS update propagation at
> > > > > > this point, slowly making its way through google's system, though i
> > > > > > doubt it. How does google ever hope to learn from its mistakes if it
> > > > > > just assumes that they employ all the smart people, and that the input
> > > > > > of the world has no bearing on them. Really wish they just scanned
> > > > > > over their own forums every once in a while to help us out with bugs,
> > > > > > and at least provide SOME insight rather then all of us just taking
> > > > > > guesses.- Hide quoted text -
