If I set up a 301 redirect from my .co.uk website to my .com website
and then - in a few months - decide I want to launch some UK specific
content (not duplicate of my .com) using the .co.uk TLD, can a 301
redirect be successfully undone so that my .co.uk site is indexed and
ranked by google.co.uk?
> If I set up a 301 redirect from my .co.uk website to my .com website
> and then - in a few months - decide I want to launch some UK specific
> content (not duplicate of my .com) using the .co.uk TLD, can a 301
> redirect be successfully undone so that my .co.uk site is indexed and
> ranked by google.co.uk?
> You do another 301 redirection in the opposite direction.
> On 23 avr, 15:37, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > If I set up a 301 redirect from my .co.uk website to my .com website
> > and then - in a few months - decide I want to launch some UK specific
> > content (not duplicate of my .com) using the .co.uk TLD, can a 301
> > redirect be successfully undone so that my .co.uk site is indexed and
> > ranked by google.co.uk?
> > You do another 301 redirection in the opposite direction.
> > On 23 avr, 15:37, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > > If I set up a 301 redirect from my .co.uk website to my .com website
> > > and then - in a few months - decide I want to launch some UK specific
> > > content (not duplicate of my .com) using the .co.uk TLD, can a 301
> > > redirect be successfully undone so that my .co.uk site is indexed and
> > > ranked by google.co.uk?- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
Sorry, I don't understand. I remove the 301 redirect from
website.co.uk. And then I set-up a 301 redirect from what? I don't
want to redirect my .com website to my .co.uk. My .com is for USA and
my .co.uk is for the UK.
> > > You do another 301 redirection in the opposite direction.
> > > On 23 avr, 15:37, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > > > If I set up a 301 redirect from my .co.uk website to my .com website
> > > > and then - in a few months - decide I want to launch some UK specific
> > > > content (not duplicate of my .com) using the .co.uk TLD, can a 301
> > > > redirect be successfully undone so that my .co.uk site is indexed and
> > > > ranked by google.co.uk?- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
> Sorry, I don't understand. I remove the 301 redirect from
> website.co.uk. And then I set-up a 301 redirect from what? I don't
> want to redirect my .com website to my .co.uk. My .com is for USA and
> my .co.uk is for the UK.
> On Apr 23, 3:57 pm, webado wrote:
> > On 23 avr, 15:49, JLH wrote:
> > > after removing the first one :)
> > Good point LOL
> > > On Apr 23, 2:39 pm, webado wrote:
> > > > You do another 301 redirection in the opposite direction.
> > > > On 23 avr, 15:37, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > > > > If I set up a 301 redirect from my .co.uk website to my .com website
> > > > > and then - in a few months - decide I want to launch some UK specific
> > > > > content (not duplicate of my .com) using the .co.uk TLD, can a 301
> > > > > redirect be successfully undone so that my .co.uk site is indexed and
> > > > > ranked by google.co.uk?- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
> > > - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
JLH and Webado are right, though your confusion is understandable. I
can see two different possible situations here which warrant different
responses.
Situation 1: You already have UK-specific content on the .com
If your UK content is in separate URLs on your .com site, then you
should set up a granular 301 redirect from those URLs to the same
content on the new .co.uk .
If your UK content is mixed in with your non-UK content, then you'll
want to sort it out and redirect the UK content over.
Situation 2: You have no UK-specific content on the .com
If you have no UK-specific information on the .com domain, but were
redirecting users who typed in .co.uk there because it was the only
site you ran in English, then you may not have any content that you
need to redirect.
If you don't have any content which is specific to the UK market, then
I can't think of a reason to 301 any URLs to the other domain. In
this case, you should stop the redirection that sends .co.uk visitors
to .com and develop the .co.uk site separately. As robots see new
links to the .co.uk site (or if you submit a sitemap in Webmaster
Tools) they will know there are URLs on the .co.uk to crawl and when
URLs are discovered that return 200's, the content will get indexed
and should be geotargeted to the UK in spite of the previous 301.
I know some of those sentences were kinda long. I hope I've made
things clearer, but if there's anything we can clarify, just ask.
That's why we hang around here. :-)
-Bergy
> Sorry, I don't understand. I remove the 301 redirect from
> website.co.uk. And then I set-up a 301 redirect from what? I don't
> want to redirect my .com website to my .co.uk. My .com is for USA and
> my .co.uk is for the UK.
> On Apr 23, 3:57 pm, webado wrote:
> > On 23 avr, 15:49, JLH wrote:
> > > after removing the first one :)
> > Good point LOL
> > > On Apr 23, 2:39 pm, webado wrote:
> > > > You do another 301 redirection in the opposite direction.
> > > > On 23 avr, 15:37, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > > > > If I set up a 301 redirect from my .co.uk website to my .com website
> > > > > and then - in a few months - decide I want to launch some UK specific
> > > > > content (not duplicate of my .com) using the .co.uk TLD, can a 301
> > > > > redirect be successfully undone so that my .co.uk site is indexed and
> > > > > ranked by google.co.uk?- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
> > > - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -
I thnk he's worried that somehow Google thinks a site is redirected to
the other one.
I don't think redirection are actually kept track of. The redirection
is what happens when they crawl one url whihc you are redirecting.
The monet you stop redirecting then the redirection no longer takes
place.
Think how call forwarding works with a phone. And then remove call
forwarding. No difference.
> JLH and Webado are right, though your confusion is understandable. I
> can see two different possible situations here which warrant different
> responses.
> Situation 1: You already have UK-specific content on the .com
> If your UK content is in separate URLs on your .com site, then you
> should set up a granular 301 redirect from those URLs to the same
> content on the new .co.uk .
> If your UK content is mixed in with your non-UK content, then you'll
> want to sort it out and redirect the UK content over.
> Situation 2: You have no UK-specific content on the .com
> If you have no UK-specific information on the .com domain, but were
> redirecting users who typed in .co.uk there because it was the only
> site you ran in English, then you may not have any content that you
> need to redirect.
> If you don't have any content which is specific to the UK market, then
> I can't think of a reason to 301 any URLs to the other domain. In
> this case, you should stop the redirection that sends .co.uk visitors
> to .com and develop the .co.uk site separately. As robots see new
> links to the .co.uk site (or if you submit a sitemap in Webmaster
> Tools) they will know there are URLs on the .co.uk to crawl and when
> URLs are discovered that return 200's, the content will get indexed
> and should be geotargeted to the UK in spite of the previous 301.
> I know some of those sentences were kinda long. I hope I've made
> things clearer, but if there's anything we can clarify, just ask.
> That's why we hang around here. :-)
> -Bergy
> On Apr 23, 1:03 pm, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > Sorry, I don't understand. I remove the 301 redirect from
> > website.co.uk. And then I set-up a 301 redirect from what? I don't
> > want to redirect my .com website to my .co.uk. My .com is for USA and
> > my .co.uk is for the UK.
> > On Apr 23, 3:57 pm, webado wrote:
> > > On 23 avr, 15:49, JLH wrote:
> > > > after removing the first one :)
> > > Good point LOL
> > > > On Apr 23, 2:39 pm, webado wrote:
> > > > > You do another 301 redirection in the opposite direction.
> > > > > On 23 avr, 15:37, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > > > > > If I set up a 301 redirect from my .co.uk website to my .com website
> > > > > > and then - in a few months - decide I want to launch some UK specific
> > > > > > content (not duplicate of my .com) using the .co.uk TLD, can a 301
> > > > > > redirect be successfully undone so that my .co.uk site is indexed and
> > > > > > ranked by google.co.uk?- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
> > > > - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
A very summarized version: Historically my .co.uk was a mirror of
my .com. The thought was that since I have a full functioning
registered company and staff in the UK, I would want to position
myself there as a UK company. My intention was to have the .co.uk
website so I could get ranked on google.co.uk. My .com site never got
any ranking on google.co.uk. However since my products are not
different the content on my sites is not different. Now,
google .co.uk will not index my .co.uk site and my .com site (although
indexed) still has no rank. So, probably instead of helping myself
out, I hurt myself and I am probably being penalized for duplicate
content. Therefore, I want to set up redirects while I determine the
best way to use my .co.uk TLD with unique content for my UK target
market. Currently my .com site does not have any UK specific content
outside of how to contact our UK office and part number for products
with UK power cords.
Any additional comments to my dilemma would be appreciated.
> JLH and Webado are right, though your confusion is understandable. I
> can see two different possible situations here which warrant different
> responses.
> Situation 1: You already have UK-specific content on the .com
> If your UK content is in separate URLs on your .com site, then you
> should set up a granular 301 redirect from those URLs to the same
> content on the new .co.uk .
> If your UK content is mixed in with your non-UK content, then you'll
> want to sort it out and redirect the UK content over.
> Situation 2: You have no UK-specific content on the .com
> If you have no UK-specific information on the .com domain, but were
> redirecting users who typed in .co.uk there because it was the only
> site you ran in English, then you may not have any content that you
> need to redirect.
> If you don't have any content which is specific to the UK market, then
> I can't think of a reason to 301 any URLs to the other domain. In
> this case, you should stop the redirection that sends .co.uk visitors
> to .com and develop the .co.uk site separately. As robots see new
> links to the .co.uk site (or if you submit a sitemap in Webmaster
> Tools) they will know there are URLs on the .co.uk to crawl and when
> URLs are discovered that return 200's, the content will get indexed
> and should be geotargeted to the UK in spite of the previous 301.
> I know some of those sentences were kinda long. I hope I've made
> things clearer, but if there's anything we can clarify, just ask.
> That's why we hang around here. :-)
> -Bergy
> On Apr 23, 1:03 pm, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > Sorry, I don't understand. I remove the 301 redirect from
> > website.co.uk. And then I set-up a 301 redirect from what? I don't
> > want to redirect my .com website to my .co.uk. My .com is for USA and
> > my .co.uk is for the UK.
> > On Apr 23, 3:57 pm, webado wrote:
> > > On 23 avr, 15:49, JLH wrote:
> > > > after removing the first one :)
> > > Good point LOL
> > > > On Apr 23, 2:39 pm, webado wrote:
> > > > > You do another 301 redirection in the opposite direction.
> > > > > On 23 avr, 15:37, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > > > > > If I set up a 301 redirect from my .co.uk website to my .com website
> > > > > > and then - in a few months - decide I want to launch some UK specific
> > > > > > content (not duplicate of my .com) using the .co.uk TLD, can a 301
> > > > > > redirect be successfully undone so that my .co.uk site is indexed and
> > > > > > ranked by google.co.uk?- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
> > > > - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -
I looked only at the home page for
your sites .com and .co.uk
They have the same content and they give both
separately HTTP status response 200 (OK)
without redirect. As you know, because of the same content
Google indexes only one of them,
it is the .com home page.
URLs from your .co.uk site are indexed in
google.co.uk - you can see with a search
site:yoursite.co.uk
Because there is no redirection between
the .co.uk and .com domain
it looks that the PageRank for indexed URLs
from the .co.uk domain do not add to the
.com domain as for one domain,
and do not consolidate in a good pagerank.
If you set up a 301 redirection from the .co.uk
to the .com domain the .com URLs will appear in
google.co.uk at the results for the web
but not for pages from UK
because the hosting for the .com domain is not in UK ( from
whois.domaintools.com ).
I do not know how the 'set geographic target'
tool in Google Webmaster Tools works.
If you set up the redirect now when
you have the same content for
your .com and .co.uk sites, and
later you will change your websites to have different
content for the .co.uk and .com domains,
and you will drop the redirect for different content URLs,
Berghausen already wrote that
search engines will find then that there are
new URLs with different content if you submit
new sitemaps and from new links.
It will take a little bit of time I think for search
engines to follow links, process sitemaps and
consolidate the new search results.
There are a few things:
- your robots.txt file has a blank line between
the User-agent line and the following Disallow line,
better remove the blank line
- your .co.uk site does not work for
without-www URLs yoursite.co.uk - it is not a problem I think,
but just in case...
- your URLs return HTTP status response
403 (Forbidden) for HEAD HTTP requests.
Sometimes Googlebot makes HEAD HTTP requests
mostly for the home page, so it is a good idea
to return HTTP HEAD status response 200 (OK) for
good URLs, instead of 403 (Forbidden).
- your site returns HTTP status response 200 (OK)
for non-existent URLs instead of 404 (Not Found).
It is a good idea to return HTTP status response
HTTP 404 (Not Found) for non-existent URLs.
> I looked only at the home page for
> your sites .com and .co.uk
> They have the same content and they give both
> separately HTTP status response 200 (OK)
> without redirect. As you know, because of the same content
> Google indexes only one of them,
> it is the .com home page.
> URLs from your .co.uk site are indexed in
> google.co.uk - you can see with a search
> site:yoursite.co.uk
> Because there is no redirection between
> the .co.uk and .com domain
> it looks that the PageRank for indexed URLs
> from the .co.uk domain do not add to the
> .com domain as for one domain,
> and do not consolidate in a good pagerank.
> If you set up a 301 redirection from the .co.uk
> to the .com domain the .com URLs will appear in
> google.co.uk at the results for the web
> but not for pages from UK
> because the hosting for the .com domain is not in UK ( from
> whois.domaintools.com ).
> I do not know how the 'set geographic target'
> tool in Google Webmaster Tools works.
> If you set up the redirect now when
> you have the same content for
> your .com and .co.uk sites, and
> later you will change your websites to have different
> content for the .co.uk and .com domains,
> and you will drop the redirect for different content URLs,
> Berghausen already wrote that
> search engines will find then that there are
> new URLs with different content if you submit
> new sitemaps and from new links.
> It will take a little bit of time I think for search
> engines to follow links, process sitemaps and
> consolidate the new search results.
> There are a few things:
> - your robots.txt file has a blank line between
> the User-agent line and the following Disallow line,
> better remove the blank line
> - your .co.uk site does not work for
> without-www URLs yoursite.co.uk - it is not a problem I think,
> but just in case...
> - your URLs return HTTP status response
> 403 (Forbidden) for HEAD HTTP requests.
> Sometimes Googlebot makes HEAD HTTP requests
> mostly for the home page, so it is a good idea
> to return HTTP HEAD status response 200 (OK) for
> good URLs, instead of 403 (Forbidden).
> - your site returns HTTP status response 200 (OK)
> for non-existent URLs instead of 404 (Not Found).
> It is a good idea to return HTTP status response
> HTTP 404 (Not Found) for non-existent URLs.
> Cristina.
> On Apr 23, 10:04 pm, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > I put the .com URL in my profile. Thanks for any help!
> > On Apr 23, 4:41 pm, cristina wrote:
> > > Can you give the URL of your site?
> > > On Apr 23, 9:31 pm, jmcdaniel wrote:
> > > > Any additional comments to my dilemma would be appreciated.
