I recently moved domains from insulators.com (buyer has since turned
it into an ad portal) to insulators.info
All the content has been moved to the new domain. I submitted a
request to remove all insulators.com pages several weeks ago, and you
can see this is true:
site:insulators.com
Google has indexed a significant part of my site
site:insulators.info
including the first set of key pages that you see for the above.
However, when you do a
link:insulators.info
many of the links show up as links to insulators.com not to
insulators.info!!! The fifthe entry, "berhomepage" .. go there, and
look at the two insulator links at the way bottom... The go to
insulators.com !!!
I think Google is confused. I suspect my queries are suffering, or in
any case, the link: is misleading at least me!
How do I get link: to report the proper links to my new site so I can
monitor my efforts to get other sites links changed over to my new
domain?
If there is any questions, insulators.info returns HTTP/1.1 301 Moved
Permanently to www.insulators.info, and I have set the Google
preference to www.insulators.info.
> I recently moved domains from insulators.com (buyer has since turned
> it into an ad portal) to insulators.info
> All the content has been moved to the new domain. I submitted a
> request to remove all insulators.com pages several weeks ago, and you
> can see this is true:
> site:insulators.com
> Google has indexed a significant part of my site
> site:insulators.info
> including the first set of key pages that you see for the above.
> However, when you do a
> link:insulators.info
> many of the links show up as links to insulators.com not to
> insulators.info!!! The fifthe entry, "berhomepage" .. go there, and
> look at the two insulator links at the way bottom... The go to
> insulators.com !!!
> I think Google is confused. I suspect my queries are suffering, or in
> any case, the link: is misleading at least me!
> How do I get link: to report the proper links to my new site so I can
> monitor my efforts to get other sites links changed over to my new
> domain?
Sorry for the extra explainations... I'm afraid I'm getting penalized
in a way I don't know, because of the (old) presence of insulators.com
I used to be the top ranked for a number of searches
insulators, glass insulators, telephone insulators, etc.
Now, I don't even see my site in the rankings... well, top 50 like for
glass insulators.
Site title is
Glass Insulators Collectors Reference Site
Glass Insulators were first produced in the 1850's for use with
telegraph lines....
I have gotten many sites (with high PR) to change their links to my
new site, yet my PR is still 0, and I aren't high in the rankings.
Perhaps I need to wait longer for Google to crawl the sites that have
changed their links to the new site? Again, this is not any attempt to
cloak the site, have duplicate content, etc. insulators.com is gone,
and not in Google (with the exception of links: query returning lots
of links that say they have links to insulators.info but when you look
at the cached (or real) page, they are links to insulators.com.
> If there is any questions, insulators.info returns HTTP/1.1 301 Moved
> Permanently towww.insulators.info, and I have set the Google
> preference towww.insulators.info.
> On May 23, 7:57 pm, Mr. Hemingray wrote:
> > I recently moved domains from insulators.com (buyer has since turned
> > it into an ad portal) to insulators.info
> > All the content has been moved to the new domain. I submitted a
> > request to remove all insulators.com pages several weeks ago, and you
> > can see this is true:
> > site:insulators.com
> > Google has indexed a significant part of my site
> > site:insulators.info
> > including the first set of key pages that you see for the above.
> > However, when you do a
> > link:insulators.info
> > many of the links show up as links to insulators.com not to
> > insulators.info!!! The fifthe entry, "berhomepage" .. go there, and
> > look at the two insulator links at the way bottom... The go to
> > insulators.com !!!
> > I think Google is confused. I suspect my queries are suffering, or in
> > any case, the link: is misleading at least me!
> > How do I get link: to report the proper links to my new site so I can
> > monitor my efforts to get other sites links changed over to my new
> > domain?- Hide quoted text -
You're not getting penalized. But since there is no longer any 301
redirection from insulators.com to insulators.info (or maybe there
never was any), the backlinks you had to insulators.com stay with
that site, even if no pages from it are indexed at the moment. This is
quite irrelevant.
When you move a site to a new domain you ought to keep the old domain
and 301 redirect it to the new one, precisely for this reason, to
preserve all the value.
Well now you have sold not just the domain but the backlinks you had.
About the only thing you can try to do is ask those who linked to your
site when it was insulators.com to change the links to the new domain
insulators.info. Some may respond and do it, many won't bother.
Now, about your new domain. Why are you showing on its homepage that
it has chanegd location to .... the domain where we are? This looks
quite unpeofessional. sorry to be so blunt. Since the move is
complete, for better or for worse, you have to remove that notice
since it's irrelevant now.
> Sorry for the extra explainations... I'm afraid I'm getting penalized
> in a way I don't know, because of the (old) presence of insulators.com
> I used to be the top ranked for a number of searches
> insulators, glass insulators, telephone insulators, etc.
> Now, I don't even see my site in the rankings... well, top 50 like for
> glass insulators.
> Site title is
> Glass Insulators Collectors Reference Site
> Glass Insulators were first produced in the 1850's for use with
> telegraph lines....
> I have gotten many sites (with high PR) to change their links to my
> new site, yet my PR is still 0, and I aren't high in the rankings.
> Perhaps I need to wait longer for Google to crawl the sites that have
> changed their links to the new site? Again, this is not any attempt to
> cloak the site, have duplicate content, etc. insulators.com is gone,
> and not in Google (with the exception of links: query returning lots
> of links that say they have links to insulators.info but when you look
> at the cached (or real) page, they are links to insulators.com.
> Any help would be appreciated... Thanks
> On May 23, 8:06 pm, Mr. Hemingray wrote:
> > If there is any questions, insulators.info returns HTTP/1.1 301 Moved
> > Permanently towww.insulators.info, and I have set the Google
> > preference towww.insulators.info.
> > On May 23, 7:57 pm, Mr. Hemingray wrote:
> > > I recently moved domains from insulators.com (buyer has since turned
> > > it into an ad portal) to insulators.info
> > > All the content has been moved to the new domain. I submitted a
> > > request to remove all insulators.com pages several weeks ago, and you
> > > can see this is true:
> > > site:insulators.com
> > > Google has indexed a significant part of my site
> > > site:insulators.info
> > > including the first set of key pages that you see for the above.
> > > However, when you do a
> > > link:insulators.info
> > > many of the links show up as links to insulators.com not to
> > > insulators.info!!! The fifthe entry, "berhomepage" .. go there, and
> > > look at the two insulator links at the way bottom... The go to
> > > insulators.com !!!
> > > I think Google is confused. I suspect my queries are suffering, or in
> > > any case, the link: is misleading at least me!
> > > How do I get link: to report the proper links to my new site so I can
> > > monitor my efforts to get other sites links changed over to my new
> > > domain?- Hide quoted text -
I didn't notice you said link are shown to be to insulators.info but
in fact they are to insulators.com .
Well this tells me you had a 301 redirection in place from
insulators.com to insulators.info for some time, and Google did take
notice of it. So it applied the changes to the backlinks it had found
while the redirection was in place. Of course the sites providing
those backlinks have not changed them so they will continue to be to
insulators.com . And now since the 301 redirection is no longer there,
these will revert to being backlinks to insulators.com , under
whatever reincarnation that site may reappear if and when it does.
You really should have kept the old domain for as long as possible,
basically forever, and never remove the redirections especially since
there are valuable backlinks involved.
> Sorry for the extra explainations... I'm afraid I'm getting penalized
> in a way I don't know, because of the (old) presence of insulators.com
> I used to be the top ranked for a number of searches
> insulators, glass insulators, telephone insulators, etc.
> Now, I don't even see my site in the rankings... well, top 50 like for
> glass insulators.
> Site title is
> Glass Insulators Collectors Reference Site
> Glass Insulators were first produced in the 1850's for use with
> telegraph lines....
> I have gotten many sites (with high PR) to change their links to my
> new site, yet my PR is still 0, and I aren't high in the rankings.
> Perhaps I need to wait longer for Google to crawl the sites that have
> changed their links to the new site? Again, this is not any attempt to
> cloak the site, have duplicate content, etc. insulators.com is gone,
> and not in Google (with the exception of links: query returning lots
> of links that say they have links to insulators.info but when you look
> at the cached (or real) page, they are links to insulators.com.
> Any help would be appreciated... Thanks
> On May 23, 8:06 pm, Mr. Hemingray wrote:
> > If there is any questions, insulators.info returns HTTP/1.1 301 Moved
> > Permanently towww.insulators.info, and I have set the Google
> > preference towww.insulators.info.
> > On May 23, 7:57 pm, Mr. Hemingray wrote:
> > > I recently moved domains from insulators.com (buyer has since turned
> > > it into an ad portal) to insulators.info
> > > All the content has been moved to the new domain. I submitted a
> > > request to remove all insulators.com pages several weeks ago, and you
> > > can see this is true:
> > > site:insulators.com
> > > Google has indexed a significant part of my site
> > > site:insulators.info
> > > including the first set of key pages that you see for the above.
> > > However, when you do a
> > > link:insulators.info
> > > many of the links show up as links to insulators.com not to
> > > insulators.info!!! The fifthe entry, "berhomepage" .. go there, and
> > > look at the two insulator links at the way bottom... The go to
> > > insulators.com !!!
> > > I think Google is confused. I suspect my queries are suffering, or in
> > > any case, the link: is misleading at least me!
> > > How do I get link: to report the proper links to my new site so I can
> > > monitor my efforts to get other sites links changed over to my new
> > > domain?- Hide quoted text -
> I didn't notice you said link are shown to be to insulators.info but
> in fact they are to insulators.com .
> Well this tells me you had a 301 redirection in place from
> insulators.com to insulators.info for some time, and Google did take
> notice of it. So it applied the changes to the backlinks it had found
> while the redirection was in place. Of course the sites providing
> those backlinks have not changed them so they will continue to be to
> insulators.com . And now since the 301 redirection is no longer there,
> these will revert to being backlinks to insulators.com , under
> whatever reincarnation that site may reappear if and when it does.
> You really should have kept the old domain for as long as possible,
> basically forever, and never remove the redirections especially since
> there are valuable backlinks involved.
> On May 23, 8:16 pm, Mr. Hemingray wrote:
> > Sorry for the extra explainations... I'm afraid I'm getting penalized
> > in a way I don't know, because of the (old) presence of insulators.com
> > I used to be the top ranked for a number of searches
> > insulators, glass insulators, telephone insulators, etc.
> > Now, I don't even see my site in the rankings... well, top 50 like for
> > glass insulators.
> > Site title is
> > Glass Insulators Collectors Reference Site
> > Glass Insulators were first produced in the 1850's for use with
> > telegraph lines....
> > I have gotten many sites (with high PR) to change their links to my
> > new site, yet my PR is still 0, and I aren't high in the rankings.
> > Perhaps I need to wait longer for Google to crawl the sites that have
> > changed their links to the new site? Again, this is not any attempt to
> > cloak the site, have duplicate content, etc. insulators.com is gone,
> > and not in Google (with the exception of links: query returning lots
> > of links that say they have links to insulators.info but when you look
> > at the cached (or real) page, they are links to insulators.com.
> > Any help would be appreciated... Thanks
> > On May 23, 8:06 pm, Mr. Hemingray wrote:
> > > If there is any questions, insulators.info returns HTTP/1.1 301 Moved
> > > Permanently towww.insulators.info, and I have set the Google
> > > preference towww.insulators.info.
> > > On May 23, 7:57 pm, Mr. Hemingray wrote:
> > > > I recently moved domains from insulators.com (buyer has since turned
> > > > it into an ad portal) to insulators.info
> > > > All the content has been moved to the new domain. I submitted a
> > > > request to remove all insulators.com pages several weeks ago, and you
> > > > can see this is true:
> > > > site:insulators.com
> > > > Google has indexed a significant part of my site
> > > > site:insulators.info
> > > > including the first set of key pages that you see for the above.
> > > > However, when you do a
> > > > link:insulators.info
> > > > many of the links show up as links to insulators.com not to
> > > > insulators.info!!! The fifthe entry, "berhomepage" .. go there, and
> > > > look at the two insulator links at the way bottom... The go to
> > > > insulators.com !!!
> > > > I think Google is confused. I suspect my queries are suffering, or in
> > > > any case, the link: is misleading at least me!
> > > > How do I get link: to report the proper links to my new site so I can
> > > > monitor my efforts to get other sites links changed over to my new
> > > > domain?- Hide quoted text -
> listing pages that have links to insulators.com and not links to
> insulators.info ? ... That's the question...
I see no mystery. The .com was 301ed to .info for a period, and
during this period Google noticed the 301 from .com to .info and
updated its databases accordingly.
Now the 301 is no longer there, these links will gradually disappear.
> > listing pages that have links to insulators.com and not links to
> > insulators.info ? ... That's the question...
> I see no mystery. The .com was 301ed to .info for a period, and
> during this period Google noticed the 301 from .com to .info and
> updated its databases accordingly.
> Now the 301 is no longer there, these links will gradually disappear.
> I recently moved domains ... (buyer has since turned it into an ad portal) to insulators.info
This can be very dangerous. If you're lucky, it will remain a simple
ad portal.
If not, it will gradually become less salubrious - usually starting
with a link to something like Jewish single-sex dating and gradually
going downhill from there. Then you'll start getting offers to buy
the domain back, usually with one more nought on the price than you
sold it for.
When you sell a domain it should be because it is not longer useful to
you, you are quitting the business altogether and then you can't be
bothered by whatever happens to it.
However if you simply sold because it seemed a good opportunity to
make a buck and also kept your business but moved to a new domain,
then you have to take the good with the bad.
The good is that your new domain managed to get indexed during the
period when you had 301 redirections in place. Without that it would
have never happened, at least not for a very long time.
The bad is that you have not been able to preserve all the original
backlinks (by getting them all physically transferred to the new
address), and in fact have made a gift of them when you sold your
original domain which stopped the 301 redirection. On the next pass,
Google will re-update those backlinks which it dutifully credited to
the .info while they are to .com, under the influence of the 301
redirection. As that's gone, the backlinks will go back to the credit
of .com . Sooner rather than later actually.
> > I recently moved domains ... (buyer has since turned it into an ad portal) to insulators.info
> This can be very dangerous. If you're lucky, it will remain a simple
> ad portal.
> If not, it will gradually become less salubrious - usually starting
> with a link to something like Jewish single-sex dating and gradually
> going downhill from there. Then you'll start getting offers to buy
> the domain back, usually with one more nought on the price than you
> sold it for.
Now wasn't there an implicit mention recently that you should keep the
redirects for 6 months or longer?
Pretty sure some Googler said that, and some picked that up as a tip
that perhaps old links, once redirected for longer than that period,
become permanently pointed at the newer site.
> I see no mystery. The .com was 301ed to .info for a period, and
> during this period Google noticed the 301 from .com to .info and
> updated its databases accordingly.
So, if during this time, it spidered a .com link while the redirection
was in place it would be considered a link to .info, but now that the
301 is removed, and it spiders again, the .com will not be attributed
as going to the .info -- that does make some sense I think, because at
times my site would be very high on the search list for the common
terms, and then started dropping, probably as Google spidered
more .com links.
But many of the links have been changed to .info by the other sites,
so when those sites are spidered Google will record them as real links
back to my .info site and link:insulators.info will list true links
to .info, and the number will grow.
> However if you simply sold because it seemed a good opportunity to
> make a buck and also kept your business but moved to a new domain,
> then you have to take the good with the bad.
I was well aware of all aspects of moving, and was prepared to handle
them, before I made my decision. The main "loose end" is that you will
never get all your links changed. I accepted that when I made the
decision.
It is a hobby domain that I run for people who collect glass
insulators. The price was right, and I was prepared to deal with the
issues, and take a search hit for a bit. Since there are about 2,000
regular visitors, the site is still very active!
For most people who use the site, it was "change your bookmark/
favorite and change the address in your address book for the mailing
list server". (for those who criticized the banner on the home page,
you will note that it contains several email addresses that have
changed as well, and those are not obvious to many users of the site
just because the web site location changed. Thus, they are listed. The
"this is a new domain" is listed as a reminder to those 2,000 people
who visit the site regularly, that when they talk to others about the
site to say "insulators.info" ... yes of course it says it in the
address bar, but they aren't really going to notice that and
remember.)
> The good is that your new domain managed to get indexed during the
> period when you had 301 redirections in place. Without that it would
> have never happened, at least not for a very long time.
First, I purged all 100,000+ pages of insulators.com that Google had
indexed. Then I added a small site map. Within a day or two, I had
hundreds of pages indexed. I knew what I was doing. I did a similar
procedure with Yahoo! to have it purge all the .com entries, etc. For
an extra measure while I still owned .com, I also had the 301 redirect
from .com to .info in place. And a robots.txt to deny all spidering of
the .com domain.
"would never have happened" ... well if you don't know the right steps
to take... In any case as soon as Google saw a link from another site
that went to the .info, I would have been crawled all over... I just
jump started the process, and Google obliged!
I was very pleased to see that
site:insulators.com
lists NO pages. So, no one is going to get to the old site via Google
searches... just via old web site links.
More of the specific details are in my "story" above.
When I made the decision, I was willing to take up to a three month
hit with the search engines. Well, I'm already back as #1 with
Yahoo... I suspect Google has to spider more of the pages that have
the new links to my site, and my rankings will go up again. Many of
the sites that had links to me were good related sites about
insulators, and they too had a good PR (4-5).
I just saw a few strange things here, and now that I understand them,
I will stand by my initial goal of three months to be back as "top
dog" in Google for the common searches like I used to before... The
content is the same, and many of links have been changed (but not
reflected yet in Google), so there is no reason time will not heal all
problems :-)
P.S. I also anticipated the link issue, and used the webmasters tools
to dump out all the links Google said it had to the old site. I merged
that data with the referer data from the web server log for the past
six months, and put it in a mySQL database.
A PHP script fetches the pages that are in that database, and I can
both monitor the progress of the change over, and also make contact
with sites that I know have links to the old .com version.
Without this information, I would probably only be aware of 5% of the
links. Now I'm probably aware of 95% of the links. The more links I'm
aware of, the greater the chance that I can get a significant number
of them back. Another "be prepared" and anticipate and avoid problems
action I took beforehand...
Yes it will take some time to contact most of the significant sites,
and have them change. Most "real" sites are more than glad to change
them, if you just ask... They don't like broken links. I have a long
list of sites to ask, but at least I have a list! I send out a few
more messages to webmasters each day, and are making progress. Well
worth my time given the price I sold the domain for IMHO.
One small item which I would recommend doing differently the next time
something like this comes up (you never know :-)), is not using the
robots.txt to block crawling while you have a 301 redirect enabled for
the domain. By blocking crawling, you're effectively blocking the
search engines from recognizing the redirect properly.
Given the things that you have done so far, I think it's probably not
that important to check on the details as shown in the link:-query for
your site. Over time, things should normalize -- you're on the right
path!
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