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Sil  
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 More options Nov 14 2007, 3:31 am
From: Sil
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:31:13 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2007 3:31 am
Subject: penalization for z-indexing
Hi, I use fancy fonts in graphics and wants them to be images. I have
already added the text on image in alt attribute and in case it is a
link, in title as well. I would like to give it a real text equivalent
though by putting the the text under image using z-index. I don't
think that can in any way be seen as deceiving the search engine, but
one never knows... Please help

example of code:

<span style="z-index: 2; position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0;">
<img src="visible-heading-image.jpg">
</span>

<span style="z-index: 1; position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0;">
text placed under the image
</span>


 
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MrGamma  
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 More options Nov 14 2007, 4:30 am
From: MrGamma
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:30:11 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2007 4:30 am
Subject: Re: penalization for z-indexing
One of the Google spam fighters has said in his blog that they watch a
page parse right down to the final second. Or something like that.
There are hidden text penalties. If no one is going to ever see the
text... it's hidden. I do not know the exact method or criteria.

The best way to find out is to get the page indexed and then search
for the terms buried behind the image. It is doubtful the normal
Google Bot searches for hidden text... so just because you indexed
does not mean you won't get caught for it down the road.

> I don't
> think that can in any way be seen as deceiving the search engine, but
> one never knows... Please help

But aren't you deceiving your users?

> I would like to give it a real text equivalent
> though by putting the the text under image using z-index.

You have given it a real text equivalent by using your alt tags... if
you can't see the text when the images are not loading make sure you
set the width and height for your image as well...

 
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cass-hacks  
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 More options Nov 14 2007, 9:35 am
From: cass-hacks
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:35:47 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2007 9:35 am
Subject: Re: penalization for z-indexing
Don't worry about it. As long as what you are using to cover something
up is effectively the same as what you are covering, you don't have to
worry.

Craig

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Berghausen Google employee  
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 More options Nov 14 2007, 1:36 pm
From: Berghausen
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:36:10 -0000
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2007 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: penalization for z-indexing
Sil-

As MrGamma described (in a much more thorough way), there are more
ways of hiding text than there are flavors of ice cream at Baskin
Robbins.  What matters to Google is not the way in which you are
hiding text, but (1) the text you are hiding and (2) the reason you
are hiding it.

So, the technique you've laid out here is neither good nor evil.  As
Craig said, if the hidden content is a more-accessible-but-less-pretty
version of the content that hides it--e.g. text behind an image
containing those words--our quality measures should not mind.  Of
course, we suggest using the ALT and TITLE attributes of the IMG tag,
which were designed for this very purpose (providing alternative text
to replace images), but you are, of course, free to design your site
as you see fit.

If you're interested in learning more about hidden text, check out
Wysz's 'Popular Picks' post, and this article on hidden text from our
Webmaster Help Center:
http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/browse_...
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6...

Hope that assuages your worries--
-Bergy

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Sil  
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 More options Nov 19 2007, 8:51 am
From: Sil
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:51:37 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 19 2007 8:51 am
Subject: Re: penalization for z-indexing
Thank you very much Berghausen. I couldn't have wished for more ;)

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