So, #1 on a search for strip clubs is a page on askmen.com.
Somewhere in the 600 range you might find www.tuscl.com.
Meh, if you cant beat them, join them.
So I requested they (askmen.com) put a link to my site (www.tuscl.com)
on their one single page about strip clubs, which google thinks so
highly of that they rank it #1!
here's the form letter I got back from askmen.com
---begin---
Hello Joe Founder,
Thank you for registering to the AskMen.com Link Exchange program. In
order to use the program, we require that you validate your e-mail by
clicking on the link below.
1) The AskMen.com administrators will need to approve your website.
2) Each link you add must link back to AskMen.com BEFORE you submit
it.
3) The link to AskMen.com on your page must always remain active,
valid and visible.
4) The content of your site must be appropriate.
> So, #1 on a search for strip clubs is a page on askmen.com.
> Somewhere in the 600 range you might findwww.tuscl.com.
> Meh, if you cant beat them, join them.
> So I requested they (askmen.com) put a link to my site (www.tuscl.com)
> on their one single page about strip clubs, which google thinks so
> highly of that they rank it #1!
> here's the form letter I got back from askmen.com
> ---begin---
> Hello Joe Founder,
> Thank you for registering to the AskMen.com Link Exchange program. In
> order to use the program, we require that you validate your e-mail by
> clicking on the link below.
> 1) The AskMen.com administrators will need to approve your website.
> 2) Each link you add must link back to AskMen.com BEFORE you submit
> it.
> 3) The link to AskMen.com on your page must always remain active,
> valid and visible.
> 4) The content of your site must be appropriate.
> > So, #1 on a search for strip clubs is a page on askmen.com.
> > Somewhere in the 600 range you might findwww.tuscl.com.
> > Meh, if you cant beat them, join them.
> > So I requested they (askmen.com) put a link to my site (www.tuscl.com)
> > on their one single page about strip clubs, which google thinks so
> > highly of that they rank it #1!
> > here's the form letter I got back from askmen.com
> > ---begin---
> > Hello Joe Founder,
> > Thank you for registering to the AskMen.com Link Exchange program. In
> > order to use the program, we require that you validate your e-mail by
> > clicking on the link below.
> > 1) The AskMen.com administrators will need to approve your website.
> > 2) Each link you add must link back to AskMen.com BEFORE you submit
> > it.
> > 3) The link to AskMen.com on your page must always remain active,
> > valid and visible.
> > 4) The content of your site must be appropriate.
> > Thank you,
> > AskMen.com
> > ---end---
> > feel free to discuss it amongst yourselves.- Hide quoted text -
The truth is that Google only limits the benefits of "SEO" in many
cases. So if a huge site like Askmen uses "link building" to hammer
search results and that doesn't work they just pull out another tool
and pry the hinges right off the door. This is why a competitor can
chase the same links, mirror your history and do all the things you
naturally did to get good search rankings then spam a little more to
beat you down in organic search.
> > > So, #1 on a search for strip clubs is a page on askmen.com.
> > > Somewhere in the 600 range you might findwww.tuscl.com.
> > > Meh, if you cant beat them, join them.
> > > So I requested they (askmen.com) put a link to my site (www.tuscl.com)
> > > on their one single page about strip clubs, which google thinks so
> > > highly of that they rank it #1!
> > > here's the form letter I got back from askmen.com
> > > ---begin---
> > > Hello Joe Founder,
> > > Thank you for registering to the AskMen.com Link Exchange program. In
> > > order to use the program, we require that you validate your e-mail by
> > > clicking on the link below.
> > > 1) The AskMen.com administrators will need to approve your website.
> > > 2) Each link you add must link back to AskMen.com BEFORE you submit
> > > it.
> > > 3) The link to AskMen.com on your page must always remain active,
> > > valid and visible.
> > > 4) The content of your site must be appropriate.
> > > Thank you,
> > > AskMen.com
> > > ---end---
> > > feel free to discuss it amongst yourselves.- Hide quoted text -
The webmaster guidelines are one thing but the ultimate goal for
Google is relevance and their perceived quality. Obviously if a
national brand like askmen or washingtonpost.com starts spamming they
get a lot more leeway. The users of Google, 99.9% know nothing about
the webmaster guidelines, could care less if the washingtonpost had
hidden text or a link exchange program, they would think less of
Google if they expected to see an article from them and it wasn't
there. On the other hand if a small business's web site disappears
who's really going to notice? I've said it before, all sites are
equal, just some sites are more equal than others. Take out a few
superbowl ads, get some national publicity, and I think you'd be
amazed what you could get away with in the eyes of the guidelines,
then again with that kind of budget you wouldn't need the tricks.
It's nothing new though branding trumps quality any day. I'll put a
hamburger I make on the grill up against a McDonald's hockey puck any
day, but guess who will sell more tomorrow?
> The truth is that Google only limits the benefits of "SEO" in many
> cases. So if a huge site like Askmen uses "link building" to hammer
> search results and that doesn't work they just pull out another tool
> and pry the hinges right off the door. This is why a competitor can
> chase the same links, mirror your history and do all the things you
> naturally did to get good search rankings then spam a little more to
> beat you down in organic search.
> It's sad really.
> On Jun 19, 11:00 pm, tuscl_founder wrote:
> > Yea ME!!!!
> > On Jun 19, 7:34 pm, Aaron Pratt wrote:
> > > You got a point there buddy.
> > > On Jun 19, 10:02 pm, tuscl_founder wrote:
> > > > So, #1 on a search for strip clubs is a page on askmen.com.
> > > > Somewhere in the 600 range you might findwww.tuscl.com.
> > > > Meh, if you cant beat them, join them.
> > > > So I requested they (askmen.com) put a link to my site (www.tuscl.com)
> > > > on their one single page about strip clubs, which google thinks so
> > > > highly of that they rank it #1!
> > > > here's the form letter I got back from askmen.com
> > > > ---begin---
> > > > Hello Joe Founder,
> > > > Thank you for registering to the AskMen.com Link Exchange program. In
> > > > order to use the program, we require that you validate your e-mail by
> > > > clicking on the link below.
> > > > 1) The AskMen.com administrators will need to approve your website.
> > > > 2) Each link you add must link back to AskMen.com BEFORE you submit
> > > > it.
> > > > 3) The link to AskMen.com on your page must always remain active,
> > > > valid and visible.
> > > > 4) The content of your site must be appropriate.
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > AskMen.com
> > > > ---end---
> > > > feel free to discuss it amongst yourselves.- Hide quoted text -
> The webmaster guidelines are one thing but the ultimate goal for
> Google is relevance and their perceived quality. Obviously if a
> national brand like askmen or washingtonpost.com starts spamming they
> get a lot more leeway. The users of Google, 99.9% know nothing about
> the webmaster guidelines, could care less if the washingtonpost had
> hidden text or a link exchange program, they would think less of
> Google if they expected to see an article from them and it wasn't
> there. On the other hand if a small business's web site disappears
> who's really going to notice? I've said it before, all sites are
> equal, just some sites are more equal than others. Take out a few
> superbowl ads, get some national publicity, and I think you'd be
> amazed what you could get away with in the eyes of the guidelines,
> then again with that kind of budget you wouldn't need the tricks.
> It's nothing new though branding trumps quality any day. I'll put a
> hamburger I make on the grill up against a McDonald's hockey puck any
> day, but guess who will sell more tomorrow?
> On Jun 19, 10:11 pm, Aaron Pratt wrote:
> > The truth is that Google only limits the benefits of "SEO" in many
> > cases. So if a huge site like Askmen uses "link building" to hammer
> > search results and that doesn't work they just pull out another tool
> > and pry the hinges right off the door. This is why a competitor can
> > chase the same links, mirror your history and do all the things you
> > naturally did to get good search rankings then spam a little more to
> > beat you down in organic search.
> > It's sad really.
> > On Jun 19, 11:00 pm, tuscl_founder wrote:
> > > Yea ME!!!!
> > > On Jun 19, 7:34 pm, Aaron Pratt wrote:
> > > > You got a point there buddy.
> > > > On Jun 19, 10:02 pm, tuscl_founder wrote:
> > > > > So, #1 on a search for strip clubs is a page on askmen.com.
> > > > > Somewhere in the 600 range you might findwww.tuscl.com.
> > > > > Meh, if you cant beat them, join them.
> > > > > So I requested they (askmen.com) put a link to my site (www.tuscl.com)
> > > > > on their one single page about strip clubs, which google thinks so
> > > > > highly of that they rank it #1!
> > > > > here's the form letter I got back from askmen.com
> > > > > ---begin---
> > > > > Hello Joe Founder,
> > > > > Thank you for registering to the AskMen.com Link Exchange program. In
> > > > > order to use the program, we require that you validate your e-mail by
> > > > > clicking on the link below.
> > > > > 1) The AskMen.com administrators will need to approve your website.
> > > > > 2) Each link you add must link back to AskMen.com BEFORE you submit
> > > > > it.
> > > > > 3) The link to AskMen.com on your page must always remain active,
> > > > > valid and visible.
> > > > > 4) The content of your site must be appropriate.
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > AskMen.com
> > > > > ---end---
> > > > > feel free to discuss it amongst yourselves.- Hide quoted text -
Google will not be as powerful in 5 years as it is today. It will
implode on itself, and the federal govt will crack down on it like
they did to Microsoft. (And this is coming from someone who really
hates govt intervention in free enterprise)
> So, #1 on a search for strip clubs is a page on askmen.com.
> Somewhere in the 600 range you might findwww.tuscl.com.
> Meh, if you cant beat them, join them.
> So I requested they (askmen.com) put a link to my site (www.tuscl.com)
> on their one single page about strip clubs, which google thinks so
> highly of that they rank it #1!
> here's the form letter I got back from askmen.com
> ---begin---
> Hello Joe Founder,
> Thank you for registering to the AskMen.com Link Exchange program. In
> order to use the program, we require that you validate your e-mail by
> clicking on the link below.
> 1) The AskMen.com administrators will need to approve your website.
> 2) Each link you add must link back to AskMen.com BEFORE you submit
> it.
> 3) The link to AskMen.com on your page must always remain active,
> valid and visible.
> 4) The content of your site must be appropriate.
> Pardon my intrusion but I've been seeing this thread in my email
> digest almost every day for weeks. Just what is your point?
> On Jun 19, 10:02 pm, tuscl_founder wrote:
> > So, #1 on a search for strip clubs is a page on askmen.com.
> > Somewhere in the 600 range you might findwww.tuscl.com.
> > Meh, if you cant beat them, join them.
> > So I requested they (askmen.com) put a link to my site (www.tuscl.com)
> > on their one single page about strip clubs, which google thinks so
> > highly of that they rank it #1!
> > here's the form letter I got back from askmen.com
> > ---begin---
> > Hello Joe Founder,
> > Thank you for registering to the AskMen.com Link Exchange program. In
> > order to use the program, we require that you validate your e-mail by
> > clicking on the link below.
> > 1) The AskMen.com administrators will need to approve your website.
> > 2) Each link you add must link back to AskMen.com BEFORE you submit
> > it.
> > 3) The link to AskMen.com on your page must always remain active,
> > valid and visible.
> > 4) The content of your site must be appropriate.
> > Thank you,
> > AskMen.com
> > ---end---
> > feel free to discuss it amongst yourselves.- Hide quoted text -
> this thread was started yesterday... you might want to check your
> dates
> On Jun 20, 7:26 am, Arnett.Carroll wrote:
> > Pardon my intrusion but I've been seeing this thread in my email
> > digest almost every day for weeks. Just what is your point?
> > On Jun 19, 10:02 pm, tuscl_founder wrote:
> > > So, #1 on a search for strip clubs is a page on askmen.com.
> > > Somewhere in the 600 range you might findwww.tuscl.com.
> > > Meh, if you cant beat them, join them.
> > > So I requested they (askmen.com) put a link to my site (www.tuscl.com)
> > > on their one single page about strip clubs, which google thinks so
> > > highly of that they rank it #1!
> > > here's the form letter I got back from askmen.com
> > > ---begin---
> > > Hello Joe Founder,
> > > Thank you for registering to the AskMen.com Link Exchange program. In
> > > order to use the program, we require that you validate your e-mail by
> > > clicking on the link below.
> > > 1) The AskMen.com administrators will need to approve your website.
> > > 2) Each link you add must link back to AskMen.com BEFORE you submit
> > > it.
> > > 3) The link to AskMen.com on your page must always remain active,
> > > valid and visible.
> > > 4) The content of your site must be appropriate.
> > > Thank you,
> > > AskMen.com
> > > ---end---
> > > feel free to discuss it amongst yourselves.- Hide quoted text -
Sorry but I think the man does have a point. He has a site that he
feels should rank higher than it does and feels that it is more
related to a term than the results he is seeing for that term. Having
just lost 90% of my Google traffic for a week (its back now) I have
some sympathy for his cause.
How many of us have felt exactly the same at some point? I would guess
we have all thought that the site that we have spent many hours
building and promoting is the site that belongs at the top of the
results. If only the world was so simple.
If you really want to understand the philosphy behind the way Google
ranks sites you would spend your time researching Google and
critically disecting your site to see where it all went wrong. Just
because whatever you had yesterday worked does not mean it was what
Google wanted to list at the top of search results. A few years ago
all you needed was a ton of links, people started spamming links and
that did not make it a good indicator of a quality site anymore. Then
the criterea got tougher and tougher, not because Google wanted to
exclude sites for any reason but because the number of sites grew
exponentially and webmasters got smart at feeding the SE's what they
wanted to see and not really what a visitor might want to see. So
today I really dont think there is a simple technical answer to what
will work AND stay working.
If you want to put a site on the first page of Google for a particular
term and keep it there you just need to create content that people
actually want to find and will share with others. Some of the oldest
and largest sites in one of my verticals are nothing much more than
directories, because that used to work. These have been slipping down
the SERPS now for the last three years and I think it would be very
hard to make an impression at all these days with a new site that
followed the same principles. If these old sites had taken the trouble
to understand what Google is trying to achieve they would still be at
the top of the SERPS.
So Tuscl, a question for you. Have you done your homework?
Have you read the Google Story?
Have you read (not glanced through) the guidelines?
Have you critically asessed your site to see if you are providing the
type of content that Google wants to show users.
Were you at the JuneTune online event last night to see if you could
pick up anything to improve what you are doing?
If you answered no to any of the above then it is time to do your
homework.
As I said at the begining of this post I have just been through this
in the last week, while it was only a week it has made me look at what
I can do to improve the site and make it more sticky.
The main point....if there ever was one, was that this site is
classified as an adult site, and the owner disputes this. The owner
believes that this site should be classed as non-family friendly i
believe. The fact that you go to the site click on international clubs
and are greeted by a blond women (in an advert) with a shaved Virgina
dose little to help your cause i believe!
> Sorry but I think the man does have a point. He has a site that he
> feels should rank higher than it does and feels that it is more
> related to a term than the results he is seeing for that term. Having
> just lost 90% of my Google traffic for a week (its back now) I have
> some sympathy for his cause.
> How many of us have felt exactly the same at some point? I would guess
> we have all thought that the site that we have spent many hours
> building and promoting is the site that belongs at the top of the
> results. If only the world was so simple.
> If you really want to understand the philosphy behind the way Google
> ranks sites you would spend your time researching Google and
> critically disecting your site to see where it all went wrong. Just
> because whatever you had yesterday worked does not mean it was what
> Google wanted to list at the top of search results. A few years ago
> all you needed was a ton of links, people started spamming links and
> that did not make it a good indicator of a quality site anymore. Then
> the criterea got tougher and tougher, not because Google wanted to
> exclude sites for any reason but because the number of sites grew
> exponentially and webmasters got smart at feeding the SE's what they
> wanted to see and not really what a visitor might want to see. So
> today I really dont think there is a simple technical answer to what
> will work AND stay working.
> If you want to put a site on the first page of Google for a particular
> term and keep it there you just need to create content that people
> actually want to find and will share with others. Some of the oldest
> and largest sites in one of my verticals are nothing much more than
> directories, because that used to work. These have been slipping down
> the SERPS now for the last three years and I think it would be very
> hard to make an impression at all these days with a new site that
> followed the same principles. If these old sites had taken the trouble
> to understand what Google is trying to achieve they would still be at
> the top of the SERPS.
> So Tuscl, a question for you. Have you done your homework?
> Have you read the Google Story?
> Have you read (not glanced through) the guidelines?
> Have you critically asessed your site to see if you are providing the
> type of content that Google wants to show users.
> Were you at the JuneTune online event last night to see if you could
> pick up anything to improve what you are doing?
> If you answered no to any of the above then it is time to do your
> homework.
> As I said at the begining of this post I have just been through this
> in the last week, while it was only a week it has made me look at what
> I can do to improve the site and make it more sticky.
Thanks gissit, great post. And no, I have not done my homework
completely. I will work on the points you mentioned.
Now on to maxeaus and "my point"
The fact is I rank 3rd or 2nd for "Strip Club List", but not in the
top 1000 for just "strip clubs". Not in the top 1000, for a site that
has bejen online for 13 years, had 1000's of backlinks and is
basically pretty well optimized. The top 1000. Think about that.
There are over 1000 sites out there that rank higher for a search on
"strip clubs" than www.tuscl.com, www.stripclublist.com, www.wizeoldman.com,
and www.bbones.com. There are 1000 sites that rank HIGHER than the
top 4 strip club listing sites. Also, the top strip club chains in
the world, (Christies Cabarets, Ricks, and Deja Vu) do not rank in the
top 1000 sites for strip clubs.
So, yes, my site could use a little more optimization, but quite
frankly, I don't think it will help, because google will not address
the real issue here, and that is that there just may be a little flaw
in their algorithm that keeps adult related strip club sites from
showing up in what I feel is an adult related search for strip clubs.
> Sorry but I think the man does have a point. He has a site that he
> feels should rank higher than it does and feels that it is more
> related to a term than the results he is seeing for that term. Having
> just lost 90% of my Google traffic for a week (its back now) I have
> some sympathy for his cause.
> How many of us have felt exactly the same at some point? I would guess
> we have all thought that the site that we have spent many hours
> building and promoting is the site that belongs at the top of the
> results. If only the world was so simple.
> If you really want to understand the philosphy behind the way Google
> ranks sites you would spend your time researching Google and
> critically disecting your site to see where it all went wrong. Just
> because whatever you had yesterday worked does not mean it was what
> Google wanted to list at the top of search results. A few years ago
> all you needed was a ton of links, people started spamming links and
> that did not make it a good indicator of a quality site anymore. Then
> the criterea got tougher and tougher, not because Google wanted to
> exclude sites for any reason but because the number of sites grew
> exponentially and webmasters got smart at feeding the SE's what they
> wanted to see and not really what a visitor might want to see. So
> today I really dont think there is a simple technical answer to what
> will work AND stay working.
> If you want to put a site on the first page of Google for a particular
> term and keep it there you just need to create content that people
> actually want to find and will share with others. Some of the oldest
> and largest sites in one of my verticals are nothing much more than
> directories, because that used to work. These have been slipping down
> the SERPS now for the last three years and I think it would be very
> hard to make an impression at all these days with a new site that
> followed the same principles. If these old sites had taken the trouble
> to understand what Google is trying to achieve they would still be at
> the top of the SERPS.
> So Tuscl, a question for you. Have you done your homework?
> Have you read the Google Story?
> Have you read (not glanced through) the guidelines?
> Have you critically asessed your site to see if you are providing the
> type of content that Google wants to show users.
> Were you at the JuneTune online event last night to see if you could
> pick up anything to improve what you are doing?
> If you answered no to any of the above then it is time to do your
> homework.
> As I said at the begining of this post I have just been through this
> in the last week, while it was only a week it has made me look at what
> I can do to improve the site and make it more sticky.
No problem, i can see your point, don't take offense at my wacky sense
of humor. It really would be good if Google chimed in with their
opinion on this subject and put the matter to rest.
> Thanks gissit, great post. And no, I have not done my homework
> completely. I will work on the points you mentioned.
> Now on to maxeaus and "my point"
> The fact is I rank 3rd or 2nd for "Strip Club List", but not in the
> top 1000 for just "strip clubs". Not in the top 1000, for a site that
> has bejen online for 13 years, had 1000's of backlinks and is
> basically pretty well optimized. The top 1000. Think about that.
> There are over 1000 sites out there that rank higher for a search on
> "strip clubs" thanwww.tuscl.com,www.stripclublist.com,www.wizeoldman.com,
> andwww.bbones.com. There are 1000 sites that rank HIGHER than the
> top 4 strip club listing sites. Also, the top strip club chains in
> the world, (Christies Cabarets, Ricks, and Deja Vu) do not rank in the
> top 1000 sites for strip clubs.
> So, yes, my site could use a little more optimization, but quite
> frankly, I don't think it will help, because google will not address
> the real issue here, and that is that there just may be a little flaw
> in their algorithm that keeps adult related strip club sites from
> showing up in what I feel is an adult related search for strip clubs.
> and that, maxeaus , is my point.
> thanks for listening
> F
> On Jun 20, 9:13 am, Gissit wrote:
> > Sorry but I think the man does have a point. He has a site that he
> > feels should rank higher than it does and feels that it is more
> > related to a term than the results he is seeing for that term. Having
> > just lost 90% of my Google traffic for a week (its back now) I have
> > some sympathy for his cause.
> > How many of us have felt exactly the same at some point? I would guess
> > we have all thought that the site that we have spent many hours
> > building and promoting is the site that belongs at the top of the
> > results. If only the world was so simple.
> > If you really want to understand the philosphy behind the way Google
> > ranks sites you would spend your time researching Google and
> > critically disecting your site to see where it all went wrong. Just
> > because whatever you had yesterday worked does not mean it was what
> > Google wanted to list at the top of search results. A few years ago
> > all you needed was a ton of links, people started spamming links and
> > that did not make it a good indicator of a quality site anymore. Then
> > the criterea got tougher and tougher, not because Google wanted to
> > exclude sites for any reason but because the number of sites grew
> > exponentially and webmasters got smart at feeding the SE's what they
> > wanted to see and not really what a visitor might want to see. So
> > today I really dont think there is a simple technical answer to what
> > will work AND stay working.
> > If you want to put a site on the first page of Google for a particular
> > term and keep it there you just need to create content that people
> > actually want to find and will share with others. Some of the oldest
> > and largest sites in one of my verticals are nothing much more than
> > directories, because that used to work. These have been slipping down
> > the SERPS now for the last three years and I think it would be very
> > hard to make an impression at all these days with a new site that
> > followed the same principles. If these old sites had taken the trouble
> > to understand what Google is trying to achieve they would still be at
> > the top of the SERPS.
> > So Tuscl, a question for you. Have you done your homework?
> > Have you read the Google Story?
> > Have you read (not glanced through) the guidelines?
> > Have you critically asessed your site to see if you are providing the
> > type of content that Google wants to show users.
> > Were you at the JuneTune online event last night to see if you could
> > pick up anything to improve what you are doing?
> > If you answered no to any of the above then it is time to do your
> > homework.
> > As I said at the begining of this post I have just been through this
> > in the last week, while it was only a week it has made me look at what
> > I can do to improve the site and make it more sticky.
No offense taken, and I too would like google to chime in. But this
has been going on for months now, and the arrogance of google (esp.
Matt Cutts) is beginning to wear thin. I have given them my phone
number so we could talk about it, and I only got one call from Udi
Manber's assistant. That's it. She took some info and said they
would "look into it". Google could stand to learn something from this
by working with me, but they seem to think they have it all perfect.
The results they return are "just fine".
As for adult or non-family classification, it really does not matter,
as google told me I was classified as non-family and it didn't change
a thing. I am pretty sure I am adult now with the advertising I had
to take (solely because of lack of traffic from google, catch-22
anyone?). But again, that is not the MAIN POINT. The main point is
google doesn't show any adult related sites for a search on "strip
clubs".
I, more than anyone in the world, would like this matter put to rest.
> No problem, i can see your point, don't take offense at my wacky sense
> of humor. It really would be good if Google chimed in with their
> opinion on this subject and put the matter to rest.
> On Jun 21, 2:29 am, tuscl_founder wrote:
> > Thanks gissit, great post. And no, I have not done my homework
> > completely. I will work on the points you mentioned.
> > Now on to maxeaus and "my point"
> > The fact is I rank 3rd or 2nd for "Strip Club List", but not in the
> > top 1000 for just "strip clubs". Not in the top 1000, for a site that
> > has bejen online for 13 years, had 1000's of backlinks and is
> > basically pretty well optimized. The top 1000. Think about that.
> > There are over 1000 sites out there that rank higher for a search on
> > "strip clubs" thanwww.tuscl.com,www.stripclublist.com,www.wizeoldman.com,
> > andwww.bbones.com. There are 1000 sites that rank HIGHER than the
> > top 4 strip club listing sites. Also, the top strip club chains in
> > the world, (Christies Cabarets, Ricks, and Deja Vu) do not rank in the
> > top 1000 sites for strip clubs.
> > So, yes, my site could use a little more optimization, but quite
> > frankly, I don't think it will help, because google will not address
> > the real issue here, and that is that there just may be a little flaw
> > in their algorithm that keeps adult related strip club sites from
> > showing up in what I feel is an adult related search for strip clubs.
> > and that, maxeaus , is my point.
> > thanks for listening
> > F
> > On Jun 20, 9:13 am, Gissit wrote:
> > > Sorry but I think the man does have a point. He has a site that he
> > > feels should rank higher than it does and feels that it is more
> > > related to a term than the results he is seeing for that term. Having
> > > just lost 90% of my Google traffic for a week (its back now) I have
> > > some sympathy for his cause.
> > > How many of us have felt exactly the same at some point? I would guess
> > > we have all thought that the site that we have spent many hours
> > > building and promoting is the site that belongs at the top of the
> > > results. If only the world was so simple.
> > > If you really want to understand the philosphy behind the way Google
> > > ranks sites you would spend your time researching Google and
> > > critically disecting your site to see where it all went wrong. Just
> > > because whatever you had yesterday worked does not mean it was what
> > > Google wanted to list at the top of search results. A few years ago
> > > all you needed was a ton of links, people started spamming links and
> > > that did not make it a good indicator of a quality site anymore. Then
> > > the criterea got tougher and tougher, not because Google wanted to
> > > exclude sites for any reason but because the number of sites grew
> > > exponentially and webmasters got smart at feeding the SE's what they
> > > wanted to see and not really what a visitor might want to see. So
> > > today I really dont think there is a simple technical answer to what
> > > will work AND stay working.
> > > If you want to put a site on the first page of Google for a particular
> > > term and keep it there you just need to create content that people
> > > actually want to find and will share with others. Some of the oldest
> > > and largest sites in one of my verticals are nothing much more than
> > > directories, because that used to work. These have been slipping down
> > > the SERPS now for the last three years and I think it would be very
> > > hard to make an impression at all these days with a new site that
> > > followed the same principles. If these old sites had taken the trouble
> > > to understand what Google is trying to achieve they would still be at
> > > the top of the SERPS.
> > > So Tuscl, a question for you. Have you done your homework?
> > > Have you read the Google Story?
> > > Have you read (not glanced through) the guidelines?
> > > Have you critically asessed your site to see if you are providing the
> > > type of content that Google wants to show users.
> > > Were you at the JuneTune online event last night to see if you could
> > > pick up anything to improve what you are doing?
> > > If you answered no to any of the above then it is time to do your
> > > homework.
> > > As I said at the begining of this post I have just been through this
> > > in the last week, while it was only a week it has made me look at what
> > > I can do to improve the site and make it more sticky.- Hide quoted text -
Tuscl
I try not to get too involved with detailed analysis of other peoples
sites and problems (dont want to lead anyone down the wrong path) but
I just did a couple of searches on Google.com through a US proxy (I'm
UK based and our results are different here).
A search on strip clubs list shows plenty of sites at the top of serps
with words like nude and topless in the snippets. It is clearly an
adult theme search.
A search on strip clubs shows none on the first page with that sort of
detail. A couple of the sites you mention that are also 'missing' also
use the topless and nude words. To find these in a search for strip
clubs you have to go half way down the second page before a snippet
that mentions nude (and that is wikipedia so is almost imune from
trust issues) and then another 3 pages or more before anything else (I
got bored at that point).
Now I'm not saying this is your answer, but you have to analyse things
with some logic if you want logical answers. Is Google not showing
your pages because the snippet / title sounds like the pages contain
adult material and they dont want to show that in SERPS for a term
that 'may' be non-adult? Of course I cannot answer that as I don't
work there. But I have done enough research in the last 5 mins to know
I would never use that kind of term in a meta description tag or the
page title.
I expect someone else has probably already commented on your useage of
the word club(s) in your title and description too. In the serps your
site show with no less than six occurences in the title and snippet.
Dont you think that is a little thick? Does it sound like natural
language OR something that was written just to emphasise the word?
I could probably go on a bit longer but it would be so much better if
you could see this yourself. Taken with the homework I left you (to
learn a bit about google and what they aim to achieve) this should
really help you to understand what you might do next.
> Tuscl
> I try not to get too involved with detailed analysis of other peoples
> sites and problems (dont want to lead anyone down the wrong path) but
> I just did a couple of searches on Google.com through a US proxy (I'm
> UK based and our results are different here).
> A search on strip clubs list shows plenty of sites at the top of serps
> with words like nude and topless in the snippets. It is clearly an
> adult theme search.
> A search on strip clubs shows none on the first page with that sort of
> detail. A couple of the sites you mention that are also 'missing' also
> use the topless and nude words. To find these in a search for strip
> clubs you have to go half way down the second page before a snippet
> that mentions nude (and that is wikipedia so is almost imune from
> trust issues) and then another 3 pages or more before anything else (I
> got bored at that point).
> Now I'm not saying this is your answer, but you have to analyse things
> with some logic if you want logical answers. Is Google not showing
> your pages because the snippet / title sounds like the pages contain
> adult material and they dont want to show that in SERPS for a term
> that 'may' be non-adult? Of course I cannot answer that as I don't
> work there. But I have done enough research in the last 5 mins to know
> I would never use that kind of term in a meta description tag or the
> page title.
> I expect someone else has probably already commented on your useage of
> the word club(s) in your title and description too. In the serps your
> site show with no less than six occurences in the title and snippet.
> Dont you think that is a little thick? Does it sound like natural
> language OR something that was written just to emphasise the word?
> I could probably go on a bit longer but it would be so much better if
> you could see this yourself. Taken with the homework I left you (to
> learn a bit about google and what they aim to achieve) this should
> really help you to understand what you might do next.
> this thread was started yesterday... you might want to check your
> dates
> On Jun 20, 7:26 am, Arnett.Carroll wrote:
> > Pardon my intrusion but I've been seeing this thread in my email
> > digest almost every day for weeks. Just what is your point?
> > On Jun 19, 10:02 pm, tuscl_founder wrote:
> > > So, #1 on a search for strip clubs is a page on askmen.com.
> > > Somewhere in the 600 range you might findwww.tuscl.com.
> > > Meh, if you cant beat them, join them.
> > > So I requested they (askmen.com) put a link to my site (www.tuscl.com)
> > > on their one single page about strip clubs, which google thinks so
> > > highly of that they rank it #1!
> > > here's the form letter I got back from askmen.com
> > > ---begin---
> > > Hello Joe Founder,
> > > Thank you for registering to the AskMen.com Link Exchange program. In
> > > order to use the program, we require that you validate your e-mail by
> > > clicking on the link below.
> > > 1) The AskMen.com administrators will need to approve your website.
> > > 2) Each link you add must link back to AskMen.com BEFORE you submit
> > > it.
> > > 3) The link to AskMen.com on your page must always remain active,
> > > valid and visible.
> > > 4) The content of your site must be appropriate.
> > > Thank you,
> > > AskMen.com
> > > ---end---
> > > feel free to discuss it amongst yourselves.- Hide quoted text -
> Thanks gissit, great post. And no, I have not done my homework
> completely. I will work on the points you mentioned.
> Now on to maxeaus and "my point"
> The fact is I rank 3rd or 2nd for "Strip Club List", but not in the
> top 1000 for just "strip clubs". Not in the top 1000, for a site that
> has bejen online for 13 years, had 1000's of backlinks and is
> basically pretty well optimized. The top 1000. Think about that.
> There are over 1000 sites out there that rank higher for a search on
> "strip clubs" thanwww.tuscl.com,www.stripclublist.com,www.wizeoldman.com,
> andwww.bbones.com. There are 1000 sites that rank HIGHER than the
> top 4 strip club listing sites. Also, the top strip club chains in
> the world, (Christies Cabarets, Ricks, and Deja Vu) do not rank in the
> top 1000 sites for strip clubs.
> So, yes, my site could use a little more optimization, but quite
> frankly, I don't think it will help, because google will not address
> the real issue here, and that is that there just may be a little flaw
> in their algorithm that keeps adult related strip club sites from
> showing up in what I feel is an adult related search for strip clubs.
> and that, maxeaus , is my point.
> thanks for listening
> F
> On Jun 20, 9:13 am, Gissit wrote:
> > Sorry but I think the man does have a point. He has a site that he
> > feels should rank higher than it does and feels that it is more
> > related to a term than the results he is seeing for that term. Having
> > just lost 90% of my Google traffic for a week (its back now) I have
> > some sympathy for his cause.
> > How many of us have felt exactly the same at some point? I would guess
> > we have all thought that the site that we have spent many hours
> > building and promoting is the site that belongs at the top of the
> > results. If only the world was so simple.
> > If you really want to understand the philosphy behind the way Google
> > ranks sites you would spend your time researching Google and
> > critically disecting your site to see where it all went wrong. Just
> > because whatever you had yesterday worked does not mean it was what
> > Google wanted to list at the top of search results. A few years ago
> > all you needed was a ton of links, people started spamming links and
> > that did not make it a good indicator of a quality site anymore. Then
> > the criterea got tougher and tougher, not because Google wanted to
> > exclude sites for any reason but because the number of sites grew
> > exponentially and webmasters got smart at feeding the SE's what they
> > wanted to see and not really what a visitor might want to see. So
> > today I really dont think there is a simple technical answer to what
> > will work AND stay working.
> > If you want to put a site on the first page of Google for a particular
> > term and keep it there you just need to create content that people
> > actually want to find and will share with others. Some of the oldest
> > and largest sites in one of my verticals are nothing much more than
> > directories, because that used to work. These have been slipping down
> > the SERPS now for the last three years and I think it would be very
> > hard to make an impression at all these days with a new site that
> > followed the same principles. If these old sites had taken the trouble
> > to understand what Google is trying to achieve they would still be at
> > the top of the SERPS.
> > So Tuscl, a question for you. Have you done your homework?
> > Have you read the Google Story?
> > Have you read (not glanced through) the guidelines?
> > Have you critically asessed your site to see if you are providing the
> > type of content that Google wants to show users.
> > Were you at the JuneTune online event last night to see if you could
> > pick up anything to improve what you are doing?
> > If you answered no to any of the above then it is time to do your
> > homework.
> > As I said at the begining of this post I have just been through this
> > in the last week, while it was only a week it has made me look at what
> > I can do to improve the site and make it more sticky.- Hide quoted text -
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The top 20 queries in which your site appeared, and the percentage of
the top 20 queries represented by each search.
# %
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2 9% three way
links
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3 7% three
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4 5% three way
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5 4%
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6 4% 3 way link
exchange 15
7 4% 3 way
links
16
8 3% "three
way"
23
9 3% three way link
exchanges 4
10 3% colpurin coupon
codes 6
11 3% 3 way link
exchanges 9
12 2%
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2
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sites 1
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links 6
16 2% 3 way link
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adult topics. I don't want to mix them with my mainstream link
exchange stuff. If you want to sign up for either one-way,reciprocal
or three way linking then you'll find the guidelines at the site.
BTW, Why did you name your site "TUSCL" when you wanted to target the
term "strip clubs"? Just curious. TUSCL isn't even a word much less
a search term.
> On Jun 20, 10:52 am, Gissit wrote:> Tuscl
> > I try not to get too involved with detailed analysis of other peoples
> > sites and problems (dont want to lead anyone down the wrong path) but
> > I just did a couple of searches on Google.com through a US proxy (I'm
> > UK based and our results are different here).
> > A search on strip clubs list shows plenty of sites at the top of serps
> > with words like nude and topless in the snippets. It is clearly an
> > adult theme search.
> > A search on strip clubs shows none on the first page with that sort of
> > detail. A couple of the sites you mention that are also 'missing' also
> > use the topless and nude words. To find these in a search for strip
> > clubs you have to go half way down the second page before a snippet
> > that mentions nude (and that is wikipedia so is almost imune from
> > trust issues) and then another 3 pages or more before anything else (I
> > got bored at that point).
> > Now I'm not saying this is your answer, but you have to analyse things
> > with some logic if you want logical answers. Is Google not showing
> > your pages because the snippet / title sounds like the pages contain
> > adult material and they dont want to show that in SERPS for a term
> > that 'may' be non-adult? Of course I cannot answer that as I don't
> > work there. But I have done enough research in the last 5 mins to know
> > I would never use that kind of term in a meta description tag or the
> > page title.
> > I expect someone else has probably already commented on your useage of
> > the word club(s) in your title and description too. In the serps your
> > site show with no less than six occurences in the title and snippet.
> > Dont you think that is a little thick? Does it sound like natural
> > language OR something that was written just to emphasise the word?
> > I could probably go on a bit longer but it would be so much better if
> > you could see this yourself. Taken with the homework I left you (to
> > learn a bit about google and what they aim to achieve) this should
> > really help you to understand what you might do next.
