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danbaileyuk  
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 More options Jun 29 2008, 3:56 pm
From: danbaileyuk
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 29 2008 3:56 pm
Subject: Google crashing my server
Hi, this is the 2nd time now in a month that Google's bot is crashing
my server - I read an earler post an SEO101 suggested that we need to
contact Google to report this. How and where do we contact Google to
get them to fix this ASAP as its costing me bandwitdth and stopping
people access my site.

thanks.


 
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Autocrat  
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 More options Jun 29 2008, 4:02 pm
From: Autocrat
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:02:07 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 29 2008 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: Google crashing my server
Well, posting here is always a good move... there's a chance one of
the G team will spot it.

Failing that... not idea.

.

Do you know how GBot is crashing your server?
It shouldn't be pulling that much information at one go to cause a
whole server to fall over.
Can you provide details/information from teh logs about crawl times,
bandwidth usage etc.?

.

Additionally, have you tried altering the Crawl Rate through your
Google WebMaster Tools account?


 
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Robbo  
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 More options Jun 29 2008, 6:36 pm
From: Robbo
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:36:58 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 29 2008 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: Google crashing my server

If this is not a wind-up, probably a flaky server set up and/or flaky
navigation giving the googlebot the runaround.

If you tell us your URL, we can take a look.

I don't think it is www.danbailey.com/ because that seems to be a non-
UK site.

If it is the US-hosted http://danbailey.co.uk/

... seems to have a one-page site so can you provide any evidence that
"google's bot is crashing [your] server"?

... has only one outbound link and that is to the same page - kind of
recursive and I can't image why you think that is helpful to your
users.

BTW the robots.txt is invalid.

Any subdomains?

Robbo

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beussery  
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 More options Jun 29 2008, 6:54 pm
From: beussery
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:54:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 29 2008 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: Google crashing my server

> Additionally, have you tried altering the Crawl Rate through your
> Google WebMaster Tools account?

As Autocrat mentioned, I'd start by turning down your crawl rate in
Google Webmaster Tools.

 
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danbaileyuk  
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 More options Jun 30 2008, 2:53 am
From: danbaileyuk
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:53:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 30 2008 2:53 am
Subject: Re: Google crashing my server
After the first time I altered the crawl rate to a slower crawl rate
and hoped that would work but this past weekend Google started to
crawl my site and cause my database to crash as it was trying to run
almost 100 simultaneous queries.

Domain - www.mykindaprices.com

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Autocrat  
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 More options Jun 30 2008, 4:16 am
From: Autocrat
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:16:39 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 30 2008 4:16 am
Subject: Re: Google crashing my server
Erm....
you are running a 'real dynamic' site?
No caching... no pre-store.... do you even have Query Cache setup?

.

If the above is the case, then you are going to encounter serious
issues.
You do realise how many little bots there are?
What about visitor fluctuations?
Hell, what happens if your site becomes popular?

.

Yes, it could be GBot tipping your server... but I wouldn't say it's
GBots fault... jsut a side-effect of a possibly much larger issue.

Jeeze... it wouldn't even take much of a hacking attempt to keep your
site down... permenantly.

I can only suggest (most seriously) that you think of an alternative
setup/system/application.... and implement it immediately.


 
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JohnMu Google employee  
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 More options Jun 30 2008, 4:51 am
From: JohnMu
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:51:37 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 30 2008 4:51 am
Subject: Re: Google crashing my server
Hi danbailyuk and welcome to the groups!

Looking at your site and what is happening on our side, I have a few
suggestions that might help make things better on your side.

- Caching, as mentioned by Autocrat, could likely help your site a
bit. However, from what I can tell, your URLs are generated completely
dynamically, so it is hard to tell how long they would be valid (and
cached).

- From a rough count, it looks like you have +/- infinite URLs. In a
situation like that, if we were to crawl an URL every couple of
minutes, it would take a pretty long time to cover your site. That
said, I don't see us crawling anywhere close to 100 (or even 5) URLs
simultaneously. Would it be possible that other crawlers are using the
Googlebot user agent and causing trouble on your site? You can verify
the Googlebot as mentioned in http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=80553

- Seeing that you have so many URLs, I would suggest working on ways
to reduce the number of URLs that we should crawl. A simple way to do
this is to use the robots.txt file. For instance, I see lots of URLs
like the following which seem to 302 redirect:
http://www.mykindaprices.com/cgi-bin/mykindaprices/refer.pl?ShopCity:...
I'm sure if you were to go through your server logs & website
analytics you could find a large number of URLs that might not be so
important to have listed in search engines. While doing that, I would
suggest using our Webmaster Guidelines as an aid as well. You can find
them at http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769

With these measures I'm sure you can reduce the number of crawlable
URLs on your site to a manageable amount - which would help us to make
sure that we're crawling everything and help you in that we don't try
to crawl unnecessary URLs.

Hope it helps!

John


 
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Arnett.Carroll  
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 More options Jun 30 2008, 9:50 am
From: Arnett.Carroll
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:50:49 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 30 2008 9:50 am
Subject: Re: Google crashing my server
If you have your website registered with Webmaster Central you can
reset your crawl rate to "slower" to keep Google from crashing your
server.

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danbaileyuk  
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 More options Jun 30 2008, 10:30 am
From: danbaileyuk
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 30 2008 10:30 am
Subject: Re: Google crashing my server
Thanks for all your help, will certainly be using it and trying to
implement it.

Currently we are just trying to block the bots so that the database
can work then we can start changing things.

At the moment think this bot might be the one causing the problems -
Sitescope-CGOPS

Not a good thing that someone can hack into the site and keep it down
that easily - as Autocrat mentioned.

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danbaileyuk  
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 More options Jun 30 2008, 10:31 am
From: danbaileyuk
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:31:20 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 30 2008 10:31 am
Subject: Re: Google crashing my server
Thanks Arnett,

Have already done that.

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