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 More options Oct 22 2007, 4:50 pm
From: seoProd
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:50:56 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 22 2007 4:50 pm
Subject: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
I believe this may have been addressed but I can't find it in the
past
threads...

I verified about 50 subdomains (ex: http://illinois.websitename.com)
and uploaded sitemaps for each one.

Ever since they were verified, SERP positions have been dropping
dramatically on a daily basis.

Any ideas on what would have cause it and how to stop this trend?

Thanks!
-ps (i accidentally posted this in another discussion group. my
apologies for the duplication)


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 More options Oct 22 2007, 4:55 pm
From: webado
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:55:49 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 22 2007 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
What are you search queries like?

And you can go to the other place you posted and delete it (see More
Options on the top right of the post).

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 More options Oct 22 2007, 4:56 pm
From: webado
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:56:14 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 22 2007 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
In any case we need real urls in order to troubleshoot.

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 More options Oct 22 2007, 5:04 pm
From: seoProd
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:04:44 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 22 2007 5:04 pm
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
Thanks!
I have removed the duplicate posting in the other group.

While I check on getting the URL to you... Here's something you'd find
if you visited any of the subdomains. The URL illinois.sitename.com
gets redirected to http://www.sitename.com/?searchparameter. There are
only two parameters there.

In the sitemap, http://illinois.sitename.com/chicago is its own page
with content that is basically similar to other city pages but with
the city and state names changed.

Still checking on getting you the actual URL.

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 More options Oct 22 2007, 5:08 pm
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:08:27 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 22 2007 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
In regards to the search queries part (sorry i missed that one)...

I am using a tool to import a large .txt file of possible keyword
combinations and using it to search google for the page rank for 20-30
at a time for that particular subdomain.

we were doing so well until we verified...

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(1 user)  More options Oct 22 2007, 11:08 pm
From: webado
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:08:25 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 22 2007 11:08 pm
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
Look, I can't do squat without actual urls and actual queries.

99% of the time the trouble is very visible in the site structure and
navigation.

Real url's are needed to test server resposnes and all that technical
stuff. Without that it's pointless to discuss.

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 More options Oct 23 2007, 10:00 am
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:00:43 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 10:00 am
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
I completely understand your frustration, webado. Sometimes permission
to post URLs can take some time. Ok, here's the URL and an example of
a set of search queries.

verified URL: virginia.rentalhomesplus.com
page within URL that ranks in this case: virginia.rentalhomesplus.com/
norfolk

home rental in Norfolk
home rentals in Norfolk
house for rent in Norfolk
house rental in Norfolk
house rentals Norfolk
houses for rent in Norfolk
Norfolk home rental
Norfolk home rentals
Norfolk house for rent
Norfolk house rental
Norfolk house rentals
Norfolk houses for rent
Norfolk rental home
Norfolk rental homes
Norfolk rental house
Norfolk rental houses
rental home in Norfolk
rental homes in Norfolk

We were doing reasonably well for most of these phrases. then, the
positions started dropping after we verified the subdomains until they
fell off completely yesterday.

Thank you for your patience.

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 More options Oct 23 2007, 10:36 am
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:36:17 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 10:36 am
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
Your subdomain redirects to a folder. The subdomain is thus useless
and will not get indexed.
http://oyoy.eu/page/headers/?full=1&url=http%3a%2f%2fvirginia.rentalh...

I don't see how you can say the subdomain got verified. It cannot have
been since it redirects to a different domain.

Also before worrying about search resutls worry about getting indexed
in the first place. The redirection won't help.

So assuming what you want is for that folder to get indexed:

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://www.rentalhomesplu...

The head is broken, among other things.

The head tags all need to be closed with > and not with /> since you
are not using an xhtml doctype.
The charset meta tag and verification meta tag both are improperly
closed. A broken head hampers indexing of the page's contents,
sometimes to total exclusion.

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 More options Oct 23 2007, 10:44 am
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:44:35 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 10:44 am
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
In the dashboard, I have a complete list of verified subdomains, one
for each state. Meta tag verification was used.

The actual subdomain URL virginia.rentalhomesplus.com may redirect to
a folder but that's not really an important URL for us. I'm actually
far more concerned that the URLs from the sitemap like
virginia.rentalhomesplus.com/norfolk get indexed and not loose their
positions.

So, if we don't focus on virginia.rentalhomesplus.com, do you have any
suggestions or ideas as to why virginia.rentalhomesplus.com/norfolk
would have dropped off so drastically?

thanks again!

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 More options Oct 23 2007, 11:39 am
From: webado
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:39:35 -0000
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 11:39 am
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
Well thats' the url you gave me as a subdoamin you submitted and  are
trying to get indexed - and I told you why that cannot be.

The url virginia.rentalhomesplus.com/norfolk  itself is not indexed.

It won't be indexed if it's not linked to from anywhere else that is
indexed so it can be discovered during a normal crawl.

Other pages on that subdomain are indexed. But links from that page
seem to all go to the domain, do not stay on the subdomain. So no ide
where links to pages on that subdoamin came from.

Why don't you fix all your navigation and not jump form subdomain to
folder and back. It's very confusing and self-defeating.

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 More options Oct 23 2007, 11:40 am
From: webado
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:40:48 -0000
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 11:40 am
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
The sitemap is not what drives the indexing process. All urls to be
indexed have to be discovered during a crawl starting at whatever
initial url you submit.

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 More options Oct 23 2007, 12:12 pm
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:12:43 -0700
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Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
so all this is just a coincidence that it happened days after i
verified the subdomains?

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 More options Oct 23 2007, 12:38 pm
From: webado
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:38:22 -0000
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
Not total coincidence. The broken haad would cause grief. Had it not
been broken then you'd only have the navigation to worry about which
is enough in itself to cause trouble from what I can see, unless there
are lots of other links pointing all over the place allowing thsoe
pages to be discovered somehow.

Doing one search fro the first keyphrase I find a page from your site
at the very bottom of page 3 (100 results per page):
http://www.google.com/search?q=home+rental+in+Norfolk+&num=100&hl=en&...

So it's not that your site isn't showing up, it's just not showing up
high, and there is a huge number of other sites all competing for the
same keyphrases.

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 More options Oct 23 2007, 1:09 pm
From: seoProd
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:09:39 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 1:09 pm
Subject: Re: Subdomains verified/SERP position dropping daily
Thanks so much for your input. It's greatly appreciated!

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