I've had a personal site for over 3 years. Today, I do a search for
the domain name in Google and I see that it is gone! Apparently some
Turk has hacked into my site from Wordpress and placed all sorts of
Turkish propaganda looking things. There were 2 Turkish flags on each
page of the site. They had generated thousands of pages pointing to a
bunch of Turkish sites. In any event, my site must have been penalized
cause its gone. I was told to file a re-inclusion request with Google,
which I did. However, I've always wanted to change the domain name as
it has a dash in it.
If a do a 301 re-direct to a new domain name will 1) the penalty carry
over to the new domain as well? 2) Will I still have my old rankings
in Google? I think I had 16 links pointing to my site previously?
Clean it up.
File re-inclusion request.
Patch site/server security to prevent likelyhood of attack.
Then wait.
Once reviewed, it should be returned as was.
As to the new domain/redirect/301.
It should remain identical - all PR passed from old domain to new
domain.
So I'd assume the same for penalties... they would likely pass on as
well.
Do you know how long each will take? How long will the re-inclusion
take? How long with the 301 take until my site is indexed and my
rankings are back?
If my penalties pass on as well, cant I do damage to others if I point
the 301 to them? I would think Google is a little more careful with
that. Do you know for sure or are you guessing?
> Clean it up.
> File re-inclusion request.
> Patch site/server security to prevent likelyhood of attack.
> Then wait.
> Once reviewed, it should be returned as was.
> As to the new domain/redirect/301.
> It should remain identical - all PR passed from old domain to new
> domain.
> So I'd assume the same for penalties... they would likely pass on as
> well.
> Do you know how long each will take? How long will the re-inclusion
> take? How long with the 301 take until my site is indexed and my
> rankings are back?
Autocrat got the order a little wrong. Patch security FIRST, then
rebuild and resubmit. Usually takes two or three working days.
I checked your profile and you seem like the right guy for this mess.
Thank you for responding. 3 days, I can wait that. However, since it
appears you are the expert in this field, how long would a 301 take if
the only thing I am changing is the domain name. All my old pages are
going to remain. Will my backlinks carry over and how long will that
take? Will I keep the few good rankings I had?
> > Do you know how long each will take? How long will the re-inclusion
> > take? How long with the 301 take until my site is indexed and my
> > rankings are back?
> Autocrat got the order a little wrong. Patch security FIRST, then
> rebuild and resubmit. Usually takes two or three working days.
A 301 is instant. Meaning that whether old urls are still in the index
or new ones, there will be no conflict and a visitor will find the
correct page anyway.
How quickly Google will replace the old urls with the new ones that
have been redirected to depends on how often it re-crawls what's
already indexed. As it crawls the redireciotn will be applied to each
url crawled.
> I checked your profile and you seem like the right guy for this mess.
> Thank you for responding. 3 days, I can wait that. However, since it
> appears you are the expert in this field, how long would a 301 take if
> the only thing I am changing is the domain name. All my old pages are
> going to remain. Will my backlinks carry over and how long will that
> take? Will I keep the few good rankings I had?
> On May 10, 10:34 am, Phil Payne wrote:
> > > Do you know how long each will take? How long will the re-inclusion
> > > take? How long with the 301 take until my site is indexed and my
> > > rankings are back?
> > Autocrat got the order a little wrong. Patch security FIRST, then
> > rebuild and resubmit. Usually takes two or three working days.- Hide quoted text -
> A 301 is instant. Meaning that whether old urls are still in the index
> or new ones, there will be no conflict and a visitor will find the
> correct page anyway.
> How quickly Google will replace the old urls with the new ones that
> have been redirected to depends on how often it re-crawls what's
> already indexed. As it crawls the redireciotn will be applied to each
> url crawled.
Yes, but as you say - it doesn't matter if Google has the old URL
because the exact same redirect will take the user to the new page.
> > A 301 is instant. Meaning that whether old urls are still in the index
> > or new ones, there will be no conflict and a visitor will find the
> > correct page anyway.
> > How quickly Google will replace the old urls with the new ones that
> > have been redirected to depends on how often it re-crawls what's
> > already indexed. As it crawls the redireciotn will be applied to each
> > url crawled.
> Yes, but as you say - it doesn't matter if Google has the old URL
> because the exact same redirect will take the user to the new page.
...Phil Payne...
I can see where you are comming from in regards to my having the wrong
order.
Security wise, indeed, removing the holes is the first priority (equal
with cleaning)... but I was viewing it from the 'get this fixed in the
SERPs asap side of things :)
You don't even need to move to a new domain. All you need to do is
clean up the existing site completely and upgrade the Wordpress
version. Tighten security. Don't allow user input (e.g. comments)
until and unless you are sure everything is secure.
> So If they take their sweet time in putting the site back and in the
> meantime I do a 301 re-direct, will the penalty apply to my new site
> as well?
> On May 10, 11:33 am, Phil Payne wrote:
> > > A 301 is instant. Meaning that whether old urls are still in the index
> > > or new ones, there will be no conflict and a visitor will find the
> > > correct page anyway.
> > > How quickly Google will replace the old urls with the new ones that
> > > have been redirected to depends on how often it re-crawls what's
> > > already indexed. As it crawls the redireciotn will be applied to each
> > > url crawled.
> > Yes, but as you say - it doesn't matter if Google has the old URL
> > because the exact same redirect will take the user to the new page.- Hide quoted text -
Webado - I appreciate your reply but you are sidestepping the
question. I wanted to move the domain name as it has a dash in it.
Will the penalty be applied to the new site or not? Does anyone have
any experience in this regard?
> You don't even need to move to a new domain. All you need to do is
> clean up the existing site completely and upgrade the Wordpress
> version. Tighten security. Don't allow user input (e.g. comments)
> until and unless you are sure everything is secure.
> File the reconsideration request. And wait a bit.
> On May 10, 2:36 pm, JediNick wrote:
> > So If they take their sweet time in putting the site back and in the
> > meantime I do a 301 re-direct, will the penalty apply to my new site
> > as well?
> > On May 10, 11:33 am, Phil Payne wrote:
> > > > A 301 is instant. Meaning that whether old urls are still in the index
> > > > or new ones, there will be no conflict and a visitor will find the
> > > > correct page anyway.
> > > > How quickly Google will replace the old urls with the new ones that
> > > > have been redirected to depends on how often it re-crawls what's
> > > > already indexed. As it crawls the redireciotn will be applied to each
> > > > url crawled.
> > > Yes, but as you say - it doesn't matter if Google has the old URL
> > > because the exact same redirect will take the user to the new page.- Hide quoted text -
Get the old domain reinstaed first. Then redirect it if you still
think it's needed.
Of course I have no experience. The only thing I've ever had that's
been hacked was a forum and a guestbook, which have always been
disallowed in robots.txt anyway.
Logic tells me you can do your redirection first. If the new site
doesn't appear to get indexed at all after a couple of weeks, and you
feel the penalty has been transferred to it, then request
reconsideration explaining how the old domain was hacked and banned
and the new one is clean and secure.
> Webado - I appreciate your reply but you are sidestepping the
> question. I wanted to move the domain name as it has a dash in it.
> Will the penalty be applied to the new site or not? Does anyone have
> any experience in this regard?
> On May 10, 11:46 am, webado wrote:
> > You don't even need to move to a new domain. All you need to do is
> > clean up the existing site completely and upgrade the Wordpress
> > version. Tighten security. Don't allow user input (e.g. comments)
> > until and unless you are sure everything is secure.
> > File the reconsideration request. And wait a bit.
> > On May 10, 2:36 pm, JediNick wrote:
> > > So If they take their sweet time in putting the site back and in the
> > > meantime I do a 301 re-direct, will the penalty apply to my new site
> > > as well?
> > > On May 10, 11:33 am, Phil Payne wrote:
> > > > > A 301 is instant. Meaning that whether old urls are still in the index
> > > > > or new ones, there will be no conflict and a visitor will find the
> > > > > correct page anyway.
> > > > > How quickly Google will replace the old urls with the new ones that
> > > > > have been redirected to depends on how often it re-crawls what's
> > > > > already indexed. As it crawls the redireciotn will be applied to each
> > > > > url crawled.
> > > > Yes, but as you say - it doesn't matter if Google has the old URL
> > > > because the exact same redirect will take the user to the new page.- Hide quoted text -
