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JohnMu Google employee  
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 More options Nov 12 2007, 4:58 pm
From: JohnMu
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:58:05 -0000
Local: Mon, Nov 12 2007 4:58 pm
Subject: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
Hi everyone!

The week before last I had the chance to go to SMX Stockholm together
with Stefanie, Hessam, Frederik (all from the Dublin office) and Adam
(from Mountain View). It was a great little conference and I really
enjoyed getting to know some of the people I have read about - hey, I
even met someone active here in the groups, "Sam I am". I'd like to
share some of the notes that I took home, along with some of the
questions that we were asked (and of course their answers).

* One of the better-known speakers said that the basic issues which
many sites have (even large and well known sites) are the same ones as
eight years ago. I bet the regular posters here will agree - it's
mostly about presenting your content in a readable way and building
your website so that search engine spiders can discover your pages
properly.

* One of the best ways to get good links, I think this has also been
mentioned before, is to provide unique and compelling content. How
about creating a reference document for your niche?

* The new opportunities that come with Google's "universal search" are
fascinating. Adding great images and videos to your site now makes
even more sense; not only can it provide a better experience for the
visitor when they are on your site, it can now attract them to your
site right from the search results.

* When working with dynamic websites, it is important that you don't
block crawling (by requiring JavaScript or cookies) and that the site
does not have any sections that generate an endless amount of pages
(like calendars that go up to the year 2525). One way mentioned to
roughly check for crawler issues is to use a tool called "Xenu" to
spider a part of the website (Xenu is a freeware tool that is not
affiliated with Google, it can be downloaded from http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
).

- - - -

Q: How can I target a few different countries with webmaster tools?

A: You can verify sites on a subdirectory level in webmaster tools. To
target multiple countries, you only need to create the appropriate
subdirectories, verify them and then adjust the geotargeting setting
for each subdirectory. Keep in mind that it can take some time to take
effect.

- -

Q: Can I override the country-specific top level domain with webmaster
tools?

A: No. Domains with country-specific top level domains cannot change
their geotargeting with webmaster tools.

- -

Q: How should I use sitemaps? I've heard that they are only useful
when your site can't be crawled.

A: Up-to-date and well maintained sitemap files can help our crawlers
to find your new and updated pages much quicker than if we have to re-
crawl your site to find them. While the use of sitemaps does not have
an affect on ranking, not having a page indexed will almost certainly
result in it not ranking at all :-). Having a sitemap file will not
harm the crawling or indexing of your site.

- -

Q: It is really important to add "rel=nofollow" to links in my footer
that point to common (but unimportant) pages like my copyright notice?

A: No, modifying links within your site like that is not necessary.
The Googlebot already does a good job of recognizing such pages and
treats them accordingly.

- -

Q: Some people hot-link images from my site. I don't mind since I have
my URL visible in the pictures. Can that present a problem for Google?
Is a hot-linked image counted the same as a link?

A: Hot-linked images do not present any problems to us with regards to
web-search. However, they also do not count like a normal link. If
sharing images from your site is allowed, you might want to make it
easy for visitors to re-use the image while at the same time linking
back to the original page on your site. You could do that by providing
the user with the appropriate code.

- - -

I hope you enjoy this kind of trip report as much as I enjoyed going
to Stockholm (it's a lovely city, I should have stayed longer). I'm
looking forward to your feedback!

John


 
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Phil Payne  
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 More options Nov 12 2007, 6:17 pm
From: Phil Payne
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:17:24 -0800
Local: Mon, Nov 12 2007 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference

> - -

> Q: Can I override the country-specific top level domain with webmaster
> tools?

> A: No. Domains with country-specific top level domains cannot change
> their geotargeting with webmaster tools.

> - -

This one REALLY annoys me, John.  I was forced to drop a .com address
(check it out) a couple of years back and go to .co.uk because I
simply wasn't getting any presence at all in searches fromm UK IP
addresses.  Half my business is geolocated - but a _LOT_ isn't.  I
cannot regain control of the .com because the rapacious swines who
picked it up now demand ludicrous sums for it.

What I'd like to do is retain a single domain and then geolocate
subdirectories to different geographies.  All honest and above board.
You seem to be forcing me to register more domains to get this
functionality.

I changed to .co.uk _because_ of Google.  It's perverse now to be
smacked in the mouth for it.


 
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Chibcha  
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 More options Nov 12 2007, 7:27 pm
From: Chibcha
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:27:30 -0800
Local: Mon, Nov 12 2007 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
Hi John

Thanks for the post, sounds like the conference was fun.

Afraid I'm still confused on the issue of the new geolocation tool. To
date, I have tried to add two sites, from different logins and in both
cases, have been met with a page that does not work, as shown in a
previous screenshot. I have equally had a few emails confirming the
same experience for others in the UK. There is probably a rational
explanation I am missing but only two thoughts immediately occur:

The tool is disabled if the site is already registered with Google
Business.
The tool doesn't work for all domains, as in your helpful statement:

"No. Domains with country-specific top level domains cannot change
their geotargeting with webmaster tools. "

Although If that is the case, I am unsure how to apply the wording in
Webmaster Tools:

"or it may target only those users who reside within a very small
geographic area within that country."

Whatever this tool is, the only confirmed users I've spoken to were
just linked on to the normal Google Business sign up and asked to wait
for their postcard, or phone call. If the additional tool means you
are essentially taking more notice of this entry, to aid site owners
and provide better local search, that's great for now and highly
relevant to the future.

If you are able to provide any further clarity on who the tool should
be available to, that will help avoid misconceptions of there being an
error in the tool itself.

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cass-hacks  
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 More options Nov 12 2007, 9:32 pm
From: cass-hacks
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:32:17 -0800
Local: Mon, Nov 12 2007 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
Nice!  :-)

> I even met someone active here in the groups, "Sam I am".

Cool!

> Q: How can I target a few different countries with webmaster tools?

> A: You can verify sites on a subdirectory level in webmaster tools. To
> target multiple countries, you only need to create the appropriate
> subdirectories, verify them and then adjust the geotargeting setting
> for each subdirectory. Keep in mind that it can take some time to take
> effect.

A "subdirectory" as in www.example.com/subdirectory/ or
subdirectory.example.com?

> Q: It is really important to add "rel=nofollow" to links in my footer
> that point to common (but unimportant) pages like my copyright notice?

> A: No, modifying links within your site like that is not necessary.
> The Googlebot already does a good job of recognizing such pages and
> treats them accordingly.

What does "treats them accordingly" mean?

> I hope you enjoy this kind of trip report as much as I enjoyed going
> to Stockholm (it's a lovely city, I should have stayed longer). I'm
> looking forward to your feedback!

The trip report is definitely appreciated!

Craig


 
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Admin Aaron  
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 More options Nov 13 2007, 12:37 am
From: Admin Aaron
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:37:59 -0800
Local: Tues, Nov 13 2007 12:37 am
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
"It is really important to add "rel=nofollow" to links in my footer
that point to common (but unimportant) pages like my copyright
notice?"

Does what you say only apply to the footer? How about repetitive in
content links? Like for instance, on my product site I like to
encourage people to "Talk to Aaron", if I link from all over the place
to my contact page shouldn't I nofollow it?

Please expand upon your answer John...

and thanks! :)

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 More options Nov 13 2007, 3:22 pm
From: Admin Aaron
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:22:01 -0000
Local: Tues, Nov 13 2007 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
This post needs a sticky or it will get lost. Please add one of those
tack thingy thingers John, thanks.

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Paton  
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 More options Nov 14 2007, 2:50 am
From: Paton
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:50:52 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2007 2:50 am
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
Hi Google Team,

-

> our website iswww.nwmi.com.au
> nwmi stands for Norwest Medical Imaging, when I do google search for
> Norwest Medical Imaging and select Australian pages. my website comes
> somewhere along 8th line on the search page. with the link called
> http://qwiklizard.com when you click on Norwest Medical Imaging it
> takes you to www.verio.com
> can you please help us it looks very unprofessional to our business.
> Thank you for your help!!!
> Cheers
> Patrick

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 More options Nov 14 2007, 4:32 am
From: JLH
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:32:07 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2007 4:32 am
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
Thanks JohnMu.

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 More options Nov 14 2007, 7:09 am
From: dtstyle
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:09:02 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2007 7:09 am
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
Hey,

I joined this group before an hour ago and I already love it.

And about the post I found something new:

Q: How can I target a few different countries with webmaster tools?

Great job!

Thanks JohnMu

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 More options Nov 14 2007, 4:56 pm
From: erichazann
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:56:31 -0000
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2007 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference

> Q: It is really important to add "rel=nofollow" to links in my footer
> that point to common (but unimportant) pages like my copyright notice?

> A: No, modifying links within your site like that is not necessary.
> The Googlebot already does a good job of recognizing such pages and
> treats them accordingly.

What about cross-domain footer links to other properties in a family
of companies/websites? Does Googlebot automatically depreciate all
footer links? If a site wants to link to it's siblings in the footer,
but doesn't want to link bomb those sites, what is the best practice?

 
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 More options Nov 14 2007, 5:24 pm
From: IceGiant
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:24:08 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2007 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
SuperMu is back ;-)

Thanks for the summary; it was great, although, like Craig, I'd like
to know whether subdirectory means just that, or whether it means
subdomain?

Same goes for 'treats them accordingly', although i've had my
suspicions for a while about pages with names like 'Privacy Policy' or
'Terms & Conditions'...

Cheers

Sasch


 
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Paton  
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 More options Nov 14 2007, 11:32 pm
From: Paton
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:32:13 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2007 11:32 pm
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
Hi JohnMU,

I have found google Cached our web(www.nwmi.com.au) as www.qwiklizard.com
content. can we delete the cache? this happens when we do the search
for "norwest medical imaging" in google.com.au

can you help us.
Thanks
Patrick

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 More options Nov 15 2007, 4:32 am
From: IceGiant
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:32:05 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 4:32 am
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference

> can you help us.
> Thanks
> Patrick

You know... hijacking threads like this is really considered quite
rude.

If you have a question, just ask it by starting a new thread; don't
invade something started by a Googler in the vain hope that you'll get
a response.


 
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 More options Nov 15 2007, 10:13 am
From: erichazann
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:13:23 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 10:13 am
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
I think he meant exactly what he said.

You can add and verify subdirs and treat them as separate sites in
Webmaster tools. I do this for microsites. Some features are disabled
if you don't verify at the root level tho, like "crawl stats" and "set
crawl rate". I also feel like it took a lot longer for some of the
basic data to be reported... but that could just be my sites.

Obviously you can create subdomains and verify those as well as
separate sites.

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 More options Nov 15 2007, 10:18 am
From: erichazann
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:18:33 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 10:18 am
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
Google is not going to delete the cache and probably not even going to
respond to your post. So to save this thread from your re-spamming
again, I'll try to help you.

First, your real site is not even indexed in Google or Yahoo, so read
the FAQs for the group and create a Webmaster tools account and get
your site crawled and indexed. The cache will fall off eventually when
the quicklizard site is recrawled and the content is no longer there,
but your site won't replace it unless you get indexed!

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 More options Nov 15 2007, 2:13 pm
From: JohnMu
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:13:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
I'm glad you all like the conference notes! I'm looking forward to
what the other guys bring home from the bigger conferences coming up.

@Phil Payne and Chibcha: At the moment we do not have immediate plans
to extend geotargeting to country-specific top level domains. We're
going to see how it goes with the generic ones first and then take it
from there.

@Craig: Geotargeting subdomains was possible before - you just host
the server in the appropriate country. Subdirectories (as in
http://www.example.com/subdirectory/page.htm ) can only have
geotargeting through our webmaster tools.

@All: With "links in my footer" I meant just about any links and
content on sections of your pages which appear to be there for
completeness, and not to provide value unique to the page that is
shown. That can include footers, headers, sidebars and even text boxes
within your main content. You generally do not have to worry about
marking these items in any special way (like using rel="nofollow" on
the links), we try to see the bigger picture and send users to pages
within your site that provide the most value for their particular
search query. That said, if you do have pages which you do not want to
show up at all in the search results, you can use the "noindex" robots
meta-tag and add rel="nofollow" to the links pointing to them.

In general, you should either let a page have a natural linking
structure or completely block it from being indexed - the middle
ground will not always behave the way you would want. We use so many
different factors in crawling, indexing and ranking and they depend to
a part on you having a natural website in order to value your content
accordingly.

John


 
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Chibcha  
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 More options Nov 15 2007, 5:42 pm
From: Chibcha
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:42:23 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 15 2007 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
Hi John

Thanks for getting back.

"At the moment we do not have immediate plans to extend geotargeting
to country-specific top level domains."

Do you think a line or two near the tool, or at least in the FAQs, to
confirm this may help. Would save anyone wasting their time.

"We use so many different factors in crawling, indexing and ranking
and they depend to a part on you having a natural website in order to
value your content accordingly."

Could you put that up in neon lights somewhere.

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 More options Nov 16 2007, 8:54 am
From: Red Cardinal
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:54:23 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 16 2007 8:54 am
Subject: Re: Q&A from the SMX Stockholm conference
Hmmm... not too long ago Matt Cutts was extolling the virtue of
NOFOLLOWing links to privacy policy etc. He also mentioned that
NOFOLLOW was a relevant device for channelling PR to areas of your
site that you deem more important than others. I'm referencing the
Eric Enge interview.

I'm getting that mixed message kinda feeling...

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