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E-Slave  
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 More options Nov 2 2008, 10:16 pm
From: E-Slave
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:16:53 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 2 2008 10:16 pm
Subject: Help - Major pages dropped for historically successful key words
New here -- so please excuse any broken rules / protocol.

I work with a site that has problems with two major pages -- one page
ranked first place on Google for over five years and got dropped last
year.  The second always ranked in one of the first three positions
for its words - and also got dropped.
Both are listings of song lyrics -- both pages have been completely re-
worked and the majority of lyrics pages have also been re-designed
since the disastrous drop.
Yesterday -- one of the pages re-appeared in the sixth position for
its main set of keywords.  This morning, that same page moved to the
top of Google's second page and by afternoon, the page is completely
gone.
There are hundreds of internal links to these pages -- but they're
logically placed to send the user back to the main listing page.
Please help.


 
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 More options Nov 2 2008, 10:31 pm
From: beussery
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:31:50 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 2 2008 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: Help - Major pages dropped for historically successful key words
Welcome E-Slave,

In most cases pages with song lyrics aren't considered spam...  Could
you provide us with a URL?

-Brian

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E-Slave  
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 More options Nov 2 2008, 11:38 pm
From: E-Slave
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:38:31 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 2 2008 11:38 pm
Subject: Re: Help - Major pages dropped for historically successful key words
OK -- but I don't want it archived and 'searchable' so hope it's okay
if I encode it, sort of...
I'll put x's in the urls that actually arent' there...

www.linksx2xlove.com/lovex_xlyrics.com  -- for - love lyrics  -- was
Number one on Google for at least 5 years.
and
www.linksx2xlove.com/christmasx_xsongs.htm -  for - Christmas songs --
always ranked near the top -- and just disappeared again today.

Thanks.

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 More options Nov 3 2008, 12:54 am
From: webado
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:54:06 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 3 2008 12:54 am
Subject: Re: Help - Major pages dropped for historically successful key words
Sorry, getting a 404.
The pages ends in .htm not .com .

Use this tool:
http://tool.motoricerca.info/spam-detector/

In general I'd say the competition for anything to do with lyrics is
huge.

There are millions of websites for song lyrics.
The duplication of content is unbelievable.

I don't know how anybody can hope to make a dent. I'm surprized that
so many actually endure.

Maybe the site which does not use popups, popupnders, talking smileys
and invitations to have your future told or meet your love match may
rise to the top.
Maybe.

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 More options Nov 3 2008, 12:58 am
From: webado
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:58:08 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 3 2008 12:58 am
Subject: Re: Help - Major pages dropped for historically successful key words
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://www.links2love.com...
and
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://www.links2love.com...

Very very broken code. The head is broken because of meta tags that
are closed with /> when they should be closed with > because you don't
have an xhtml doctype.

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 More options Nov 3 2008, 1:13 am
From: Tim Abracadabra
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:13:33 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 3 2008 1:13 am
Subject: Re: Help - Major pages dropped for historically successful key words
Hi E-Slave,

Hmm,

Looking at the first page (lovex_xlyrics.htm)

I don't really see what the page could rank for.

The page is virtually all links and hardly any content.
The H1 and H2 headers are very long and contain
virtually 2/3 of the page textual content (That is not links)

Really it is just a index of love songs that start with the letter A.
There are no actual lyrics on the page as the title suggests
there would be.

I see pretty much the same thing with the other page.

Now, If I pick out one of your pages that actually have lyrics
like say, christmas _ songs _ hear _ what . htm

And search for the page title, the page comes up #1

I think it would be difficult today to get such _category
index_ pages to come up really well.
If you provide more focus to what the page actually
contains with your title and headers and shorten them
so the focus is tighter, you would get better results.

for just a quick example the one page has the title
Love Lyrics Love Songs Lyrics - Romantic Song Top Love Songs Today

Might be better as

Top romantic love song lyrics - A list

Just to demonstrate, I didn't research that example.

Also, from a technical standpoint, both the www and
non-www versions of your site are available without redirection.

You should pick a preferred version and 301 the non-preferred
to the preferred. This helps focus on just the preferred
domain version.

Here is an explanation by Matt Cutts that
may answer some _why_ questions-
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-advice-url-canonicalization/

Since you are on an Apache server you should be able
to implement the 301 redirects using mod_rewrite directives
in your .htaccess file.

How to canonicalize your domain on Apache with
mod_rewrite article by webado-
http://groups.google.com/group/only-validation/web/fix-canonical-issu...

Hope that helps,
Abracadabra

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