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Adam Lasnik Google employee  
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(3 users)  More options Sep 24 2007, 2:12 am
From: Adam Lasnik
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:12:40 -0000
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 2:12 am
Subject: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?
Thought I'd try something new here, and the team's backing me up on it
(brave souls!)

Got questions?  We've got answers:  at least five (5) substantive
responses to your picks on webmaster'y topics over the next two weeks.

We invite you to ask questions in this thread that:
- don't deal with a specific site or sites
- are likely to be of interest to a great many webmasters around the
world
- aren't already covered in one of our recent blog posts or in our
Help Center

And in turn we will do one of the following for each response:
- Start a thread in this group with a detailed answer.
- Add new Help Center documentation or substantially revise an
existing doc to cover your question.
- Do a blog post on the topic.

Some ground rules:
- Please don't get into in-depth discussion on each question in this
thread; instead, kindly start a separate thread (and feel free to
point there from this thread!)
- Understand that -- unless we inexplicably get fewer than five
questions here -- we're not going to be able to answer everything/
everyone in this thread.
- Webmaster'y questions or specific suggestions on topics to explore
are welcomed... but not wish lists, okay? (e.g., "I wish Webmaster
Tools stats were updated hourly!" and "Can we see more photos of
Matt's Cats please?" do not count!)

We'll continue to answer site-specific questions in other threads, but
we thought it'd be interesting to tackle some broader/more-general
themes separately.  And we'll see how this works out.  If it bombs,
well, we tried.  If it rocks, then we'll consider doing it again!

Have a great week everyone, and we'll look forward to seeing your
questions here.


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Robbo  
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(6 users)  More options Sep 24 2007, 3:50 am
From: Robbo
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:50:21 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 3:50 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?
Adam - Thanks for this excellent initiative!  I think it will be
appreciated in several different ways.

How about explaining/exploring issues around extreme movements/
fluctuations in SERPs results for some keywords and some sites that
occur over short timespans.

For example, we frequently get questions along the lines of: My
website is on SERPs page 1 for <keyword> every other week. On
alternate weeks (or at weekends etc) it dives to about 300th position
and then returns to Page 1 the following week.

Rationale: Forum regular members can usually give quite detailed and
hopefully insightful comments/feedback about many website indexing/
ranking issues such as crawlability, redirection, use of head titles,
header tags, Toolbar PR, hidden text, keyword stuffing, content-
duplication, etc etc.  However, there seems to be little clarity when
responding to queries about oscillations/fluctuations in the SERPs
over short time periods.  We cannot even see independent evidence that
what the webmaster is claiming is in fact true.

So I think it would be helpful if Google staff experts could focus on
the mysterious area of short-term oscillations/fluctuations.   Is
there hard evidence that this phenomenon does occur?  What causes it?
What can webmasters do to mitigate it or avoid it altogether?    Is
the "problem" on the site itself?  Or is it to do with the way
indexing algorithms interact and revisions to ratings?  Why do some
sites allegedly experience this sort of thing repeatedly while others
have very steady positionings (including long term rises and long term
falls)?

Robbo


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comzign  
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(6 users)  More options Sep 24 2007, 3:55 am
From: comzign
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:55:24 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 3:55 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?

Hi Adam,

webmasters need to be told if their site is under a penalty, as there
is to much guess work going on and theories are being made up. I
suggest maybe having some thing in the tools with different level of
penalties 1-5 with one being a minor penalty and 5 being the most
extreme. Each penalty could have a generic explanation next to it.
What do you think? Most of the questions in this forum are related to
penalties and most of the answers from what I have seen dont really
help, as they are personal opinions. So people who dont really have a
penalty all of a sudden start changing things that dont need to be
changed.

Thanks,

Ali


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dockarl  
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(2 users)  More options Sep 24 2007, 3:56 am
From: dockarl
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:56:26 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 3:56 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?
Hi Adam..

Good to see you back :) Ok.. I'll get the ball rolling.

"Proxy Hijacking seems to be a recurrent theme in recent months. The
theory goes that it is quite possible for the original copy of a site
to be surpassed and even excluded from the index by another site
hosting proxied copies of a web page. Given that a) Google seems
pretty effective at detecting duplicate content and b) Google has the
means to authenticate website owners (via webmaster tools and sitemaps
etc) is it possible / would it be beneficial to attempt to overcome
this problem by allowing gbot to visit 'on command' each time a new
page is added (the same way mediapartners bot does)."

all the best,

doc

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seo101  
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(9 users)  More options Sep 24 2007, 4:39 am
From: seo101
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:39:24 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 4:39 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?

> webmasters need to be told if their site is under a penalty, as there
> is to much guess work going on and theories are being made up. I
> suggest maybe having some thing in the tools with different level of
> penalties 1-5 with one being a minor penalty and 5 being the most
> extreme. Each penalty could have a generic explanation next to it.

Dear Google

I want to spam the hell out of your index and manipulate the search
ranking as much as I can. When I get notified exactly what and when I
get a penalty, I can just change that to just remain under the radar
scope until I push a little hard somewhere else. Thanks for notifying
me exactly what I am doing wrong, so I know exactly where the 'line in
the sand' is, so I can continue to manipulate so I get better rankings
than I really deserve by playing this game with you.

A. Spammer


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Phil Payne  
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(4 users)  More options Sep 24 2007, 4:50 am
From: Phil Payne
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:50:54 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 4:50 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?
I'd like to know if any Google parser ever has to flush any part of a
page because of broken HTML.

Just the URI as a "heads up".  Not where it flushes or what the
potential effects are - just the fact that it has done.  My job to get
the validator out.


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Robbo  
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(1 user)  More options Sep 24 2007, 5:12 am
From: Robbo
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:12:15 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 5:12 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?
Just a gentle reminder to everyone :-)

Adam said:

> Got questions?  We've got answers:  at least five (5) substantive responses to your picks on webmaster'y topics over the next two weeks.
> Some ground rules:
> - Webmaster'y questions or specific suggestions on topics to explore are welcomed...
> but not wish lists, okay?
> e.g., "I wish Webmaster Tools stats were updated hourly!"

Robbo

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Phil Payne  
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(1 user)  More options Sep 24 2007, 5:27 am
From: Phil Payne
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:27:33 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 5:27 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?

> > - Webmaster'y questions or specific suggestions on topics to explore are welcomed...
> > but not wish lists, okay?

Can't hurt to try.  I'll restate - does broken HTML ever cause a
Google browser to flush?

We can work out how to find out it's happening later.


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comzign  
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(1 user)  More options Sep 24 2007, 5:37 am
From: comzign
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:37:53 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 5:37 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?
Thats true! but im sure that any site misusing the system would get
banned anyway. Can you also fill out your profile as i like to know
who I am talking to.

Ali

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Red Cardinal  
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(9 users)  More options Sep 24 2007, 5:39 am
From: Red Cardinal
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:39:11 -0000
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 5:39 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?
Call me a sceptic (and many do), but I want to know what Google is
going to do in 3 weeks time?
What are you going to do to ensue more top posters don't abandon the
group?
Why cant your initiatives in this group be proactive rather than
reactive?

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Admin Aaron  
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(3 users)  More options Sep 24 2007, 8:44 am
From: Admin Aaron
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:44:11 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2007 8:44 am
Subject: Re: Popular Picks -- What would *you* like to know more about?
Question:

What are some appropriote ways to use the nofollow tag other than to
protect against blog comment spam?

Thanks!

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