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Sussie  
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 More options Dec 25 2006, 12:33 pm
From: Sussie
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:33:01 -0800
Local: Mon, Dec 25 2006 12:33 pm
Subject: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
Hi Vanessa Fox,

Might a penalty explain why I only have 6 pages indexed?

We are a number of webshop owners in Denmark that are experiencing
crippeling trouble with our shops. Let me show you are few domains:

- www.casanovafurniture.dk (that's mine)
- www.trendybaby.dk (very popular childrens clothes shop)
- www.transmedia.dk
- www.gamebits.dk
- www.madamtut.dk

All these shops are with the same shop provider and they were all
excluded on the same day.

Our shop provider formed a re-inclusion request, and begged for dialog,
as they have not had success with the framed guidelines. It's almost
the entire webshop industry of a small country that is somewhat
affected by this discussion, so I'm hoping you will give it a few
minutes.

My shop was reincluded two days later (on December 8, I think), but now
without any products. Can you tell me if a penalty is what standing in
the way of indexing. My site is easily crawlable and my webshop is
serious. This is my living, so if you sense emotion in my posts, then
.. I'm only human.

Hundreds of similar shops at the same provider continue to work. For
example, we lost all Christmas sales to our competitor.

I am communicating with our web-shop provider as well, and I have them
standing by should I manage to get some information that can help us.
If you could e-mail, I would kiss you!

Sussie


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(1 user)  More options Dec 25 2006, 12:38 pm
From: VanessaFox
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:38:47 -0000
Local: Mon, Dec 25 2006 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
The owners of each of these sites can log into webmaster tools to see
if any of these sites have penalties. That's probably the best way to
find out.

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Sussie  
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 More options Dec 25 2006, 12:57 pm
From: Sussie
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:57:51 -0800
Local: Mon, Dec 25 2006 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
We all log in regulary to check for any signs of anything that will
allow us to continue our business - or give us a hint about what the
trouble with our sites are.

I'm logged into my webmaster tools right now. I see nothing about
exclusion or any mention of penalties.

When I see no mention of penalties in there, does that mean that there
are none (behind the scenes)? I.e. can what we see in the
user-interface be considered authoritive?

If there was a specific penalty, how would something like that look?
Would it be visible only as an exclusion or could there be details? I
did study Matt's videos, in which he mentions that in most cases google
will be able to communicate violations directly to the webmasters, but
it kind of doesn't mention where and I haven't heard examples of it in
here. Can you shed light?

In conclusion, can I relax now and feel confident that Google isn't
somehow remembering something behind the scenes, which is why I only
have 6 out of thousands of pages indexed?

Sussie


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(1 user)  More options Dec 25 2006, 1:05 pm
From: Sussie
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:05:13 -0800
Local: Mon, Dec 25 2006 1:05 pm
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
Vanessa,

for www.casanovafurniture.dk/shop, Google says that no pages are
currently in the index. I'm suggested to read the google guidelines
(which I did:)

Is this a tell-tale sign of a penalty, or are the people in here in
here correct in assuming that it's more of a temporary service message?

Where in the interface are these penalties. How do I recognize them?


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Sussie  
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(1 user)  More options Dec 25 2006, 1:05 pm
From: Sussie
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:05:14 -0800
Local: Mon, Dec 25 2006 1:05 pm
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
Vanessa,

for www.casanovafurniture.dk/shop, Google says that no pages are
currently in the index. I'm suggested to read the google guidelines
(which I did:)

Is this a tell-tale sign of a penalty, or are the people in here in
here correct in assuming that it's more of a temporary service message?

Where in the interface are these penalties. How do I recognize them?


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(1 user)  More options Dec 25 2006, 2:28 pm
From: Phil Payne
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:28:29 -0800
Local: Mon, Dec 25 2006 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
You have one page in the index, so it's not a total ban:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.casano...


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(2 users)  More options Dec 25 2006, 4:05 pm
From: "[email address]"
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 13:05:09 -0800
Local: Mon, Dec 25 2006 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
A couple of days ago Google did something that affected as far as I
know and have seen, all web sites in Scandinavia.
My daughter owns a dog site and it was sent into oblivion the other
day. She used to get a couple of hundred visitors every day from Google
but after their change she's getting none and it hurts her business.
Like everybody have seen that gets hit by Googles updates, they don't
really care because we are too small to care about, even in times like
these (x-mas!)
If we were Amazon.com, then there would have been no changes that close
small online shops that work for their livelyhood. Why even bother
emailing Google and complain? Filling in forms and stuff? Why don't
they just have a "quick reply" to the forms we fill in saying the same
as the canned emails we get back? This is rediculous. I posted somehwre
else that I see millions on link spammers in the search results so I
guess white hat is not an option anymore?

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 More options Dec 25 2006, 11:05 pm
From: MrGamma
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 20:05:39 -0800
Local: Mon, Dec 25 2006 11:05 pm
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
Your site www.pawsitesonline.com is still being indexed by Google.

You can see this by typing this into the Google search.

site:www.pawsitesonline.com

It looks like a lot of the pages are in the supplimental index. I have
had my pages drop off the Google charts before so I understand how you
feel. I don't think Google is currently penalizing the entire region of
Scandinavia. I could be wrong as I am not an authority here.

Are you sure there isn't something you have done recently to the site
which might have affected it's rankings? The site contains
approximately 39,000 thousand pages and it appears that most pages
has content which is very similar to other pages in the same
domain.

Perhaps Google has recently tightened is policy on the amount of
unique, relevant content required on a page and perhaps you were very
close to crossing that threshold before the change. I do not know
enough about upgrades to Google software upgrades to be able to tell
you if in fact there has been a change.

I am only trying to help. Please don't flame me.


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(1 user)  More options Dec 26 2006, 6:16 am
From: Phil Payne
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 03:16:57 -0800
Local: Tues, Dec 26 2006 6:16 am
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
Bollocks.  Google has done NOTHING that affected "all sites in
Scandinavia" - if it did something like that it would make the
television news all over Europe.

It's more likely that it spotted your duplicate content and devalued
the site as a consequence:

http://copyscape.com/view.php?o=81149&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmultiwordnet.itc...


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(2 users)  More options Dec 26 2006, 8:15 am
From: VanessaFox
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:15:17 -0000
Local: Tues, Dec 26 2006 8:15 am
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
A site with a violation will have a message that's something like "this
site is not currently indexed due to violations of the webmaster
guidelines" and it will include a link to the reinclusion request form.

The message that just says no pages are currently indexed doesn't point
to a penalty. When I get back into the office, I'll look into this
issue that some of you have mentioned of seeing this message
incorrectly.


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 More options Dec 26 2006, 10:04 am
From: Sussie
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:04:13 -0000
Local: Tues, Dec 26 2006 10:04 am
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
Thanks Vanessa,

That cleared up that question perfectly.

I have no penalties then.

Sussie


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 More options Dec 26 2006, 6:28 pm
From: Jim Bean
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:28:07 -0800
Local: Tues, Dec 26 2006 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?
Hi Vanessa,

Does this message occur in every member's page that owns a website that
has a current violation?  I'm not in to SEO as much as I should be, but
remember reading that this type of notification and message was only
being displayed to selected sitemap members; has this now changed?

Regards. Nate.


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 More options Dec 26 2006, 7:05 pm
From: VanessaFox
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:05:24 -0000
Local: Tues, Dec 26 2006 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: Penalty on our Danish shop sites? Vanessa?