many of you might have seen me post from time to time regarding my site, www.fitflex.com and it's ongoing penalty. I have done many things over the past 16 months to try to solve the penalizing factors and continue to do so. One theory deals with backlinks.
At this point I would like to place some focus on attaining backlinks for fitflex, natural and respected ones that google will approve of. Looking at my site, theme, content, etc, what suggestions can you share as to attaining and increasing my backlinks count? Human edited directories? etc
Thank you very much for everyones time, as always.
Hello Nate . Go to google and search for your keyword phrase. Then take the top result and go to another search engine such as Altavista. Do a linkdomain:www.competitor.com where competitor is from your search on google. Look and see who is linking to your competitors. Goo and request links from them. the other way is to search on google for "your keyphrase" and "ADD URL" or "ADD SITE" or "SUBMIT URL" or "SUBMIT SITE" Both ways should give you a world of links..
> many of you might have seen me post from time to time regarding my > site,www.fitflex.comand it's ongoing penalty. I have done many > things over the past 16 months to try to solve the penalizing factors > and continue to do so. One theory deals with backlinks.
> At this point I would like to place some focus on attaining backlinks > for fitflex, natural and respected ones that google will approve of. > Looking at my site, theme, content, etc, what suggestions can you > share as to attaining and increasing my backlinks count? Human edited > directories? etc
> Thank you very much for everyones time, as always.
Thing is, I've been told over and over again that Google does NOT want link swapping. True, 90% of the established sites have just that, link swapping that have been established over many years.
Not sure if this practice is acceptable, or if it's just done either way still.
> Hello Nate . > Go to google and search for your keyword phrase. > Then take the top result and go to another search engine such as > Altavista. > Do a linkdomain:www.competitor.comwhere competitor is from your > search on google. Look and see who is linking to your competitors. Goo > and request links from them. > the other way is to search on google for > "your keyphrase" and "ADD URL" or "ADD SITE" or "SUBMIT URL" or > "SUBMIT SITE" > Both ways should give you a world of links..
> Roysnj
> On Aug 26, 11:12 am, Nate121 wrote:
> > Dear friends/members..
> > many of you might have seen me post from time to time regarding my > > site,www.fitflex.comandit's ongoing penalty. I have done many > > things over the past 16 months to try to solve the penalizing factors > > and continue to do so. One theory deals with backlinks.
> > At this point I would like to place some focus on attaining backlinks > > for fitflex, natural and respected ones that google will approve of. > > Looking at my site, theme, content, etc, what suggestions can you > > share as to attaining and increasing my backlinks count? Human edited > > directories? etc
> > Thank you very much for everyones time, as always.
Nate, I agree that looking at the links pointing to your competitors is a good way. Once you locate these sites then you approach them and ask them to link to your site.
Your site could use more links from pages in the Google index. However, I did want to make one added note to Roysnj's comment on searching Google for keywords like "add url", etc.
This will find websites that have set up to allow for people to add links to their directories, etc. -- this can be great!!!
Unfortunately it will also return a huge amount of automated link building programs. Be sure when you find a potential candidate site for placing your link that you ensure you aren't submitting your link to one of these types of programs. (yes, they are still out there)
Even if they offer you a free one way link...usually the page your link ends up on is not ranked by Google, and even if you do manage to get placed on a ranked and indexed page...subsequent links added after yours will tend to push your links further down the food chain and the link will usually become useless. Kerry
> Hello Nate . > Go to google and search for your keyword phrase. > Then take the top result and go to another search engine such as > Altavista. > Do a linkdomain:www.competitor.comwhere competitor is from your > search on google. Look and see who is linking to your competitors. Goo > and request links from them. > the other way is to search on google for > "your keyphrase" and "ADD URL" or "ADD SITE" or "SUBMIT URL" or > "SUBMIT SITE" > Both ways should give you a world of links..
> Roysnj
> On Aug 26, 11:12 am, Nate121 wrote:
> > Dear friends/members..
> > many of you might have seen me post from time to time regarding my > > site,www.fitflex.comandit's ongoing penalty. I have done many > > things over the past 16 months to try to solve the penalizing factors > > and continue to do so. One theory deals with backlinks.
> > At this point I would like to place some focus on attaining backlinks > > for fitflex, natural and respected ones that google will approve of. > > Looking at my site, theme, content, etc, what suggestions can you > > share as to attaining and increasing my backlinks count? Human edited > > directories? etc
> > Thank you very much for everyones time, as always.
I agree, those "add url" type links are not worth the effort in the long run. They might give a tiny push for a moment, but it might be work for nothing. The same goes for many of the directories out there.
If you want to use directories (I wouldn't do that exclusively), you should take a look at Bob Mutch's compilations, eg: http://www.seocompany.ca/directory/top-web-directories.html . He has criteria which he uses to determine the "value" of the directories (his "ILQ"). He also has a submission service that takes care of a lot of the work for you (in exchange for money). Yahoo is a possibility, but I imagine you will have a hard time getting the listing (and still have to pay for the review).
The old-faithful way to get links is through great content. With your site, it will be hard, however, but not impossible. I'm sure we can get some good ideas - let's hear what you have to say :-). What would fitflex.com have to do or offer to get a link from your site?
Even if I attempt to mimick my competition/niche, many have years long link trades that I probably wouldn't have much success with as Google has ranked my resources/links page with a PR0 from a previous 4-5.
I am open for suggestions besides the link-trade route and directory route.
> I agree, those "add url" type links are not worth the effort in the > long run. They might give a tiny push for a moment, but it might be > work for nothing. The same goes for many of the directories out > there.
> If you want to use directories (I wouldn't do that exclusively), you > should take a look at Bob Mutch's compilations, eg:http://www.seocompany.ca/directory/top-web-directories.html. He has > criteria which he uses to determine the "value" of the directories > (his "ILQ"). He also has a submission service that takes care of a lot > of the work for you (in exchange for money). Yahoo is a possibility, > but I imagine you will have a hard time getting the listing (and still > have to pay for the review).
> The old-faithful way to get links is through great content. With your > site, it will be hard, however, but not impossible. I'm sure we can > get some good ideas - let's hear what you have to say :-). What would > fitflex.com have to do or offer to get a link from your site?
Well for your particular niche, Nate, I'd consider writing more guides that attract potential customers to your site. It's been a while since you posted here but I'm pretty sure I remember what your site is all about - so, for your particular site I'd be considering writing about how to build a particular muscle group, for instance, how creatine compares to other supplements, why skim milk powder is inferior to other protein supplements out there. It's always a good idea if you are an 'expert in your field' to use google as a tool to find areas in your niche where not much information is available online - and then use your knowledge to fill those gaps.
Many, many sites with a commercial product have great success when they add a blog / forum / wiki in addition to their core product offering - these are things that tend to generate more link action.
I'm also a big fan of press releases - something like prweb.com can be worth its weight in Gold if you have something interesting / innovative or amusing to write about.
> Even if I attempt to mimick my competition/niche, many have years long > link trades that I probably wouldn't have much success with as Google > has ranked my resources/links page with a PR0 from a previous 4-5.
> I am open for suggestions besides the link-trade route and directory > route.
> Thank you, > Nate
> On Aug 26, 3:05 pm, JohnMu wrote:
> > I agree, those "add url" type links are not worth the effort in the > > long run. They might give a tiny push for a moment, but it might be > > work for nothing. The same goes for many of the directories out > > there.
> > If you want to use directories (I wouldn't do that exclusively), you > > should take a look at Bob Mutch's compilations, eg:http://www.seocompany.ca/directory/top-web-directories.html. He has > > criteria which he uses to determine the "value" of the directories > > (his "ILQ"). He also has a submission service that takes care of a lot > > of the work for you (in exchange for money). Yahoo is a possibility, > > but I imagine you will have a hard time getting the listing (and still > > have to pay for the review).
> > The old-faithful way to get links is through great content. With your > > site, it will be hard, however, but not impossible. I'm sure we can > > get some good ideas - let's hear what you have to say :-). What would > > fitflex.com have to do or offer to get a link from your site?
you mention your resources page has a PR0 - be careful in assuming that.
There has been some weird stuff going on in the index of late - particularly with regard to toolbar PR - many sites have seen toolbar PR disappear. It's important to note that (to my knowledge) there hasn't actually been a toolbar PR update since around April this year - so if your PR has dropped in the intervening period it's quite possible that it's a glitch. Seems to be happening alot, and doesn't necessarily mean you have lost your PR, just that it's not showing in the toolbar.
> Even if I attempt to mimick my competition/niche, many have years long > link trades that I probably wouldn't have much success with as Google > has ranked my resources/links page with a PR0 from a previous 4-5.
> I am open for suggestions besides the link-trade route and directory > route.
> Thank you, > Nate
> On Aug 26, 3:05 pm, JohnMu wrote:
> > I agree, those "add url" type links are not worth the effort in the > > long run. They might give a tiny push for a moment, but it might be > > work for nothing. The same goes for many of the directories out > > there.
> > If you want to use directories (I wouldn't do that exclusively), you > > should take a look at Bob Mutch's compilations, eg:http://www.seocompany.ca/directory/top-web-directories.html. He has > > criteria which he uses to determine the "value" of the directories > > (his "ILQ"). He also has a submission service that takes care of a lot > > of the work for you (in exchange for money). Yahoo is a possibility, > > but I imagine you will have a hard time getting the listing (and still > > have to pay for the review).
> > The old-faithful way to get links is through great content. With your > > site, it will be hard, however, but not impossible. I'm sure we can > > get some good ideas - let's hear what you have to say :-). What would > > fitflex.com have to do or offer to get a link from your site?
> Well for your particular niche, Nate, I'd consider writing more guides > that attract potential customers to your site. It's been a while since > you posted here but I'm pretty sure I remember what your site is all > about - so, for your particular site I'd be considering writing about > how to build a particular muscle group, for instance, how creatine > compares to other supplements, why skim milk powder is inferior to > other protein supplements out there. It's always a good idea if you > are an 'expert in your field' to use google as a tool to find areas in > your niche where not much information is available online - and then > use your knowledge to fill those gaps.
> Many, many sites with a commercial product have great success when > they add a blog / forum / wiki in addition to their core product > offering - these are things that tend to generate more link action.
> I'm also a big fan of press releases - something like prweb.com can be > worth its weight in Gold if you have something interesting / > innovative or amusing to write about.
> Cheers,
> doc
> On Aug 27, 8:38 am, Nate121 wrote:
> > Thanks guys, always appreciate another opinion.
> > Even if I attempt to mimick my competition/niche, many have years long > > link trades that I probably wouldn't have much success with as Google > > has ranked my resources/links page with a PR0 from a previous 4-5.
> > I am open for suggestions besides the link-trade route and directory > > route.
> > Thank you, > > Nate
> > On Aug 26, 3:05 pm, JohnMu wrote:
> > > I agree, those "add url" type links are not worth the effort in the > > > long run. They might give a tiny push for a moment, but it might be > > > work for nothing. The same goes for many of the directories out > > > there.
> > > If you want to use directories (I wouldn't do that exclusively), you > > > should take a look at Bob Mutch's compilations, eg:http://www.seocompany.ca/directory/top-web-directories.html. He has > > > criteria which he uses to determine the "value" of the directories > > > (his "ILQ"). He also has a submission service that takes care of a lot > > > of the work for you (in exchange for money). Yahoo is a possibility, > > > but I imagine you will have a hard time getting the listing (and still > > > have to pay for the review).
> > > The old-faithful way to get links is through great content. With your > > > site, it will be hard, however, but not impossible. I'm sure we can > > > get some good ideas - let's hear what you have to say :-). What would > > > fitflex.com have to do or offer to get a link from your site?
Nate, even if your resource page is a PR0 that shouldn't keep you from finding direct links to you. Remember that you don't want to actually swap links...so the assumption that no one would want to link to you because your resource page is PR0 doesn't matter. If they insist on a reciprocal exchange then move on. Kerry
> Even if I attempt to mimick my competition/niche, many have years long > link trades that I probably wouldn't have much success with as Google > has ranked my resources/links page with a PR0 from a previous 4-5.
> I am open for suggestions besides the link-trade route and directory > route.
> Thank you, > Nate
> On Aug 26, 3:05 pm, JohnMu wrote:
> > I agree, those "add url" type links are not worth the effort in the > > long run. They might give a tiny push for a moment, but it might be > > work for nothing. The same goes for many of the directories out > > there.
> > If you want to use directories (I wouldn't do that exclusively), you > > should take a look at Bob Mutch's compilations, eg:http://www.seocompany.ca/directory/top-web-directories.html. He has > > criteria which he uses to determine the "value" of the directories > > (his "ILQ"). He also has a submission service that takes care of a lot > > of the work for you (in exchange for money). Yahoo is a possibility, > > but I imagine you will have a hard time getting the listing (and still > > have to pay for the review).
> > The old-faithful way to get links is through great content. With your > > site, it will be hard, however, but not impossible. I'm sure we can > > get some good ideas - let's hear what you have to say :-). What would > > fitflex.com have to do or offer to get a link from your site?
> Nate, even if your resource page is a PR0 that shouldn't keep you from > finding direct links to you. > Remember that you don't want to actually swap links...so the > assumption that no one would want to link to you because your resource > page is PR0 doesn't matter. If they insist on a reciprocal exchange > then move on. Kerry
> On Aug 26, 5:38 pm, Nate121 wrote:
> > Thanks guys, always appreciate another opinion.
> > Even if I attempt to mimick my competition/niche, many have years long > > link trades that I probably wouldn't have much success with as Google > > has ranked my resources/links page with a PR0 from a previous 4-5.
> > I am open for suggestions besides the link-trade route and directory > > route.
> > Thank you, > > Nate
> > On Aug 26, 3:05 pm, JohnMu wrote:
> > > I agree, those "add url" type links are not worth the effort in the > > > long run. They might give a tiny push for a moment, but it might be > > > work for nothing. The same goes for many of the directories out > > > there.
> > > If you want to use directories (I wouldn't do that exclusively), you > > > should take a look at Bob Mutch's compilations, eg:http://www.seocompany.ca/directory/top-web-directories.html. He has > > > criteria which he uses to determine the "value" of the directories > > > (his "ILQ"). He also has a submission service that takes care of a lot > > > of the work for you (in exchange for money). Yahoo is a possibility, > > > but I imagine you will have a hard time getting the listing (and still > > > have to pay for the review).
> > > The old-faithful way to get links is through great content. With your > > > site, it will be hard, however, but not impossible. I'm sure we can > > > get some good ideas - let's hear what you have to say :-). What would > > > fitflex.comhave to do or offer to get a link from your site?
Hi everyone.. there seems to be progress with my site on the horizon.. keeping my toes and fingers crossed.
I have a question regarding newly acquired links / presence in general. In the past few weeks, I have successful gained some approved directories (botw, starting point, etc.), a successful article in ezineartciles, and such. Many are 4-5-6 pr. I continue to look for other methods to increase my link presence within the guidelines of course.
Q: In general how long does it take for Google to apply these new backlinks to overall value/rank of your site? Would it be gradual?, all at once during an update?, hmmmmmmmm is there really an answer or experience with this?
> Well put, I agree. However I really do believe many established link > were done during reciprocal days.. but it's not something I will > tackle.
> I will try the press release along with submitting some of my articles > to article sites, I am 100% dedicated to this..
> Nate
> - all other ideas are welcome!
> On Aug 26, 9:10 pm, kklynnt wrote:
> > Nate, even if your resource page is a PR0 that shouldn't keep you from > > finding direct links to you. > > Remember that you don't want to actually swap links...so the > > assumption that no one would want to link to you because your resource > > page is PR0 doesn't matter. If they insist on a reciprocal exchange > > then move on. Kerry
> > On Aug 26, 5:38 pm, Nate121 wrote:
> > > Thanks guys, always appreciate another opinion.
> > > Even if I attempt to mimick my competition/niche, many have years long > > > link trades that I probably wouldn't have much success with as Google > > > has ranked my resources/links page with a PR0 from a previous 4-5.
> > > I am open for suggestions besides the link-trade route and directory > > > route.
> > > Thank you, > > > Nate
> > > On Aug 26, 3:05 pm, JohnMu wrote:
> > > > I agree, those "add url" type links are not worth the effort in the > > > > long run. They might give a tiny push for a moment, but it might be > > > > work for nothing. The same goes for many of the directories out > > > > there.
> > > > If you want to use directories (I wouldn't do that exclusively), you > > > > should take a look at Bob Mutch's compilations, eg:http://www.seocompany.ca/directory/top-web-directories.html. He has > > > > criteria which he uses to determine the "value" of the directories > > > > (his "ILQ"). He also has a submission service that takes care of a lot > > > > of the work for you (in exchange for money). Yahoo is a possibility, > > > > but I imagine you will have a hard time getting the listing (and still > > > > have to pay for the review).
> > > > The old-faithful way to get links is through great content. With your > > > > site, it will be hard, however, but not impossible. I'm sure we can > > > > get some good ideas - let's hear what you have to say :-). What would > > > > fitflex.comhave to do or offer to get a link from your site?
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