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SLK  
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 More options Jan 30 2008, 9:14 pm
From: SLK
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:14:35 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 30 2008 9:14 pm
Subject: Spammers are now using Google groups
what has the world come to, spammers get more and more valiant!
this URL is (appear to be) hosted on google groups and yet it
redirects to some other site.
http://vivalb55.googlegroups.com/web/bad-credit-credit-card.htm

 
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 More options Jan 30 2008, 9:30 pm
From: webado
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:30:58 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 30 2008 9:30 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
The  domain googlegroups.com has nothing to do with Google.

So yes, it's deceitful and spammy and nasty. And maybe Google should
flex some muscle here.

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 More options Jan 30 2008, 10:03 pm
From: SLK
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:03:15 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 30 2008 10:03 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
If you try: http://googlegroups.com it redirects to; http://groups.google.com/
which means it is owned by Google.
Try to investigate these things before rushing to conclusions!

am not the only one whose noticed this, its already been covered by
Techcrunch: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/29/go-to-google-groups-get-tricked-...

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 More options Jan 30 2008, 10:14 pm
From: slave
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:14:28 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 30 2008 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
On Jan 30, 7:03 pm, SLK wrote:

> If you try:http://googlegroups.comit redirects to;http://groups.google.com/
> which means it is owned by Google.
> Try to investigate these things before rushing to conclusions!

You are correct that the above site is owned by Google but the fact
that there is a redirect is not how you can tell that is the case
(anyone can do that).  You need to look up the WHOIS details for the
domain, check what name servers are being used and also check the
WHOIS details for the IP(s) the domain resolves to since Google owns
there own netblocks.  If all of those things map to Google then it
probably is owned by Google though it could also depend on who the
registrar is (there are rogue registrars out there which is why
spammers / phishers get away with stuff like fast-flux DNS setups).

The problem looks like Google trying to make USENET postings more
easily accessible but which unfortunately means that any spam that
makes it onto USENET now is running under their domain (arrrgh).

NoScript and Adblock in Firefox are your friend!

Cheers


 
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 More options Jan 30 2008, 10:48 pm
From: webado
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:48:38 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 30 2008 10:48 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
Sorry, I moofed. I jumped to conclusions, that's for sure.

But I have trouble figuring out how one can do any redirection from a
group page, or make folders for that matter.
I have seen no way to add javscript or meta refresh to a page in a
Google group.

Anyway, it seems it's this group:

http://groups.google.com/group/vivalb55

But the web folder there is now empty. Yet that page still appears to
exist. How it was able to have javascript in it is beyond me.

The script used is this:
http://www.parkonrails.com/lead.asp?id=55

which does this:

myurl='http://www.debtsolutionadvisor.com/7419/display.ilp?
SID=';top.location.replace(myurl);

The curious cheeky thing is the huge number of files in the files
folder and they are all html pages:

http://groups.google.com/group/vivalb55/files

I bet they are the same kind of crap.

Time to get rid of all that garbage.

And ban the lot that are involved in this.

Both parkonrails.com and debtsolutionadvisor.com ought to be
annihilated, nuked out of existence.

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 More options Jan 30 2008, 10:51 pm
From: webado
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:51:59 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 30 2008 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
Well Blogger has long been used for garbage like this.

This is a new twist, using groups.

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 More options Jan 30 2008, 10:58 pm
From: cass-hacks
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:58:12 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 30 2008 10:58 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
That's nothing, spammers even spam here.  :-()

You could try finding a place to mention what you have found in the
Google Groups Google Group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Groups-Guide/topics
but I don't know where specifically or what will happen after that.

On a related note, I just got my first SEO spam today and I feel so
happy.  All this talk of other webmasters receiving SEO spam and my
not getting any sort of made be feel left out.  :-(

That doesn't mean any of you reading this need to now go out of your
way to make sure I get more though.  :-()

Craig

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 More options Jan 30 2008, 11:21 pm
From: webado
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:21:27 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 30 2008 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
I've been getting that by the handful. Almost daily.

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 More options Jan 31 2008, 12:13 am
From: JLH
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:13:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
Nice.

Google's indexed it.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=site:vivalb55.googlegroups.com

It uses a javascript to redirect you which is located at
http://www.parkonrails.com/lead.asp?id=55

Liberal use of bolded terms.

External links to:

<a href="http://www.firefoxcn.org/firefox/"
target="_blank">firefoxĻĀŌŲ</a>
<a href="http://www.biz4cn.com" target="_blank">Manufacturer
Directory</a>

<a href="http://www.tastig.com" target="_blank">China suppliers</a>
<a href="http://www.firefoxcn.info/firefox/firefox.html"
target="_blank">firefox</a>

Who wants to fill out a spam report on a Google domain? I wonder if
they'll read that one, all of mine go in the circular file, someone
else give it a go.


 
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 More options Jan 31 2008, 4:53 am
From: JohnMu
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:53:31 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Jan 31 2008 4:53 am
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
Hi everyone

Thanks for bringing this issue up. I've passed it on to the team. In
general, if the group had normal postings, you could use the "Report
this message" link (under "More Options") to report things like this.
In cases like this where there are no postings to report (but where
the group clearly abuses our terms of service), you can send an email
to abuse @ googlegroups.com providing the information that you have.

Thanks for your help!
John


 
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 More options Jan 31 2008, 7:14 am
From: beckysharpe
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:14:52 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Jan 31 2008 7:14 am
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups

I'm very happy for you Craig - you must have been feeling unloved ;-)

Yesterday's batch had one offering 50 inbound links for $50 a week; I
thought I'd follow it up and asked them what would be the PR of the
pages linking to me. They haven't replied yet. Oddly, whenever these
SEO's ask me to put in a link to another site they never mention
money.  Strange.

Becky


 
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 More options Jan 31 2008, 6:56 pm
From: SEOwebMarket.com
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:56:09 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Jan 31 2008 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
If they knew what they were doing, they'd know that PR cannot be
passed like that anymore or their site will be penalized; websites
they link to risk being penalized too. You didn't honestly think that
prospects actually CLICK on these links (or even see them)??

This PR update is obviously an attempt by Google to impede paid
linking (and the spam that comes along with it).

http://searchengineland.com/071007-173841.php
http://searchengineland.com/071029-084449.php

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.www.webmaster/browse_thread/thread...

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 More options Feb 1 2008, 11:11 am
From: JLH
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:11:11 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Feb 1 2008 11:11 am
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
Well, they cleaned up that one subdomain, 30,000 other pages to go...

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agooglegroups.com

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 More options Feb 1 2008, 12:39 pm
From: cass-hacks
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:39:42 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Feb 1 2008 12:39 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
JLH is just never happy.  :-()

;-)

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 More options Feb 1 2008, 2:39 pm
From: Phil Payne
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:39:05 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Feb 1 2008 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups

> I've been getting that by the handful. Almost daily.

If I put up a domain and put a page up on it with a valid email
address to that domain, and then rewrote all incoming mail to
[email address], do you think I could get the email spammers to self-
report?

 
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 More options Feb 1 2008, 2:45 pm
From: webado
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:45:32 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Feb 1 2008 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
That would be the day. I've yet to see a spammer with a valid reply-to
email address.
Worse that reply-to may belong to an innocent victim who'll be getting
all manner of bounces and reprimands.

Most spam I get gets tagged as spam so I just delete it when I see it.
I dont; do it automatically because the tagging is often enough
incorrect, too aggressive.

Spam I get to gmail however is usually spot-on identified as spam and
placed in the spam box. Very good filtering there. Still some false
positives happen and few slip by. But once I report them as spam it's
goodbye. Got one from a terribly aggressive spammer calling himself
SEO CEO (hohum). He is no more.

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 More options Feb 2 2008, 3:01 am
From: SEOwebMarket.com
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:01:25 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Feb 2 2008 3:01 am
Subject: Re: Spammers are now using Google groups
Nice try. They would SEND the eMails from YOUR new URL.

A certain company could fix a popular software product so this doesn't
happen so easily.

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