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alkenmrs  
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(1 user)  More options Jul 10 2007, 12:30 pm
From: alkenmrs
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:30:20 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 12:30 pm
Subject: Two weeks in Google Jail and No Chance of Parole it would seem!!
At least it seems that way to me!!

Two weeks ago my ten+ year old site at http://www.alkenmrs.com was
totally deindexed from Google with no warning.

During this time, and with the help of some wise people from this
forum, who have gone through the site looking for anything that could
have caused this deindexing, I have also posted two spam reports and
two reinclusion requests. Neither seem to have had anything done about
them.

The site has had a few fixes put in place although none were bad
enough to cause a total deindexing.

It was discovered that parts of the site had been proxy hijacked with
some of my pages coming up under the proxy URL. Steps were taken to
block access to the proxy and it's associated IP's. Furthermore, I
contacted both the proxy owner and the hosting company and the server
seems to have been taken down. Pages from my site still show up un
Google but only in the cache. The first spam and reinclusion requests
were filed in respect of the proxy.

Other 'fixes' put in include 301 redirects fro the www vs non www of
the site. Disallows in robots.txt for the likes of multiple Privacy
Statements, Contact Us annd thank you pages. The site is set up with a
number of sub directories each containing themed minisites with each
one having it's own Privacy and Contact pages.

There was also one orphaned page that had been on the site since day
one (10 years ago). That page has been removed and 301 redirected to
another url within the site.
I also discovered a couple of orphaned links within the index page
code. They were links to other pages within the site and ended up in
the HTML due to continually shifting things about on the page with
Xsitepro. However, they have been removed and page code checked on
other pages throughout the site.

I could at least hold my hands up to those problems and posted a
further reinclusion request confessing my sins, if indeed that is
considered such a hideous crime.

So here i am today, with no listings whatsoever in Google and it would
seem the chances of getting back in are becoming less and less as each
day passes.

During this time, Googlebot has continued to fetch all sitemaps on a
daily basis and the PR on all pages has remained the same. The only
thing that hasn't happened is any crawling. The last crawl date,
according to webmaster tools was June 25.

I am really at the point now of not knowing what else I can do to get
the site reindexed. I am however seriously considering shifting some
of the minisites in the sub directories out to their own domains,
putting in some 301 redirects and resubmitting the new sites. Not sure
if that is a good idea or not but I really can't see another way out
of this nightmare.

Any of you wise people here got any better ideas because I have run
dry!!

Alan


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 More options Jul 10 2007, 12:57 pm
From: Burt
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:57:18 -0000
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: Two weeks in Google Jail and No Chance of Parole it would seem!!
Dunno, but maybe google doesn't like automated translation queries.

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 More options Jul 10 2007, 1:34 pm
From: alkenmrs
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:34:27 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 1:34 pm
Subject: Re: Two weeks in Google Jail and No Chance of Parole it would seem!!
Hi Burt

I thought about that as well and even posted a thread about it.
However, the concensus was that the translations were not the cause of
the deindexing.

I have actually modified the translator script to look only in the
cache on my site and not going to Google. Having said that, it only
looks for a translation page if somebody actually clicks on the flag.
To that end, it is not automated in the true sense of the word.

Even so, I would be interested in anybody else's view on this.

Alan

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 More options Jul 10 2007, 1:44 pm
From: Data
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:44:47 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: Two weeks in Google Jail and No Chance of Parole it would seem!!
Alan
I have exactly the same problem - again with a well used - well
positioned site. It is the third time that it has happened - for no
'apparent' reason. On both previous occasions February - 10 days  then
April - 6 days, I did nothing other than to re-submit my site, and
after the times I have quoted, normality came once again.
This time I am just sitting tight after having removed an affiliate
link that I set up on 37 of my pages (Naughty I understand, but they
were all relevant to the Affiliate program).
(I am not actually just sitting tight, for I have several other sites,
which need to be bought up to spec, together with which - as a long
term 'cushion' to the vagaries of the big G, I am aiming more at some
of the other major search engines - Yahoo in particular, which still
gives me top positions I once had with G.
No help to you, but at least you know you are not alone!
Regards
Data

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 More options Jul 10 2007, 2:19 pm
From: alkenmrs
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:19:37 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: Two weeks in Google Jail and No Chance of Parole it would seem!!
Thanks for the moral support David - Maybe it has something to do with
being in the UK :-)

The only thing that has ever worried me about having so much on one
domain was what would happen if the server went down for any length of
time. I never thought in a million years about getting deindexed by
Google especailly after playing by the rules and wearing the cleanest
white hat that I could find.

I have now lost confidence in adding any more minisites to this domain
and will be using a different one in future. Too many eggs in one
basket and all that!!. I will certainly keep the site updated with new
content as too much time, effort and money has gone into it to let it
die plus the fact that Yahoo and MSN bots live on the site anyway.

Alan

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 More options Jul 10 2007, 2:21 pm
From: Burt
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:21:49 -0000
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: Two weeks in Google Jail and No Chance of Parole it would seem!!
Hmmm,

It still means that you use a service that you don't credit, cached or
not.

If I had such a service, and you used it like that, I would ban you :)

And, your translation script is a bit buggy;

After translation links are pointing to the google translation
service, but results get redirected to your own site again.. ?

My guess is that your translation thingie may be a problem.

If you need translations, use some translation service, online or not,
and make them hardcoded.

My suggestion is to remove the translation thingies, and wait a while
before adding them again, in a hardcoded way.

If it takes to long before you get some listings again in G, then file
a re inclusion, explaining your previous translation "problem".

What I say may not be "consensus", neither may it the "reason why",
but if I were G, I wouldn't like what your are doing.

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 More options Jul 10 2007, 2:23 pm
From: burchman519
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:23:32 -0000
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: Two weeks in Google Jail and No Chance of Parole it would seem!!
Yep, your site is banned by Google... http://www.searchenginegenie.com/banned-site-checker.php

Do you host your site on your own web server?  If you do, check the
logfiles to see if googlebot was there.

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 More options Jul 10 2007, 2:40 pm
From: alkenmrs
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:40:22 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: Two weeks in Google Jail and No Chance of Parole it would seem!!

> Do you host your site on your own web server?  If you do, check the
> logfiles to see if googlebot was there.

As I said above, Googlebot comes along every day and picks up all the
site maps and robots.txt. It also goes to various pages within the
site but hasn't done a proper crawl since June 25 (according to
webmaster tools)

As the site is totally deindexed, searchenginegenie can't find any
pages and therefore assumes the site is banned.

Alan

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 More options Jul 10 2007, 2:59 pm
From: alkenmrs
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:59:17 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: Two weeks in Google Jail and No Chance of Parole it would seem!!
Thanks for your input Burt.

That page translator script has been bugging me as well but I couldn't
find anything written to say that it couldn't be used in this way.
Moreover, there are a heck of a lot of sites out there using similar
page translation scripts, so if this a cause of my problems, there is
likely to be few more casualties.

There is thread here -

http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/browse_...

regarding translated pages (only just found it) and Adam Lasnik seems
to confirm your comments.

Do you think it best just to remove the links to the already cached
pages or remove the pages as well. If the latter, I will have to put
in some 301 redirects as most language pages are indexed in Yahoo and
MSN and a lot of them were in Google until I got the boot!

Alan

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 More options Jul 10 2007, 3:37 pm
From: Burt
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:37:50 -0000
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: Two weeks in Google Jail and No Chance of Parole it would seem!!
I would remove then totally, and anything that has something to do
with it.

I wouldn't redirect them. I would give them a 410, "gone", to avoid
confusion.

But its up 2 you. If Yahoo and MSN give you enough traffic, you may
want to continue.. ;-)

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