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Susan Moskwa Google employee  
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 More options Dec 21 2007, 8:38 pm
From: Susan Moskwa
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:38:24 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Dec 21 2007 8:38 pm
Subject: Notes from Search Engine Strategies conference (Chicago)
Hi all--

As promised, we've got some more notes and Q&A for you from a recent
conference: SES Chicago, which several of us attended earlier this
month. I usually find the Q&A after each session to be the most
informative part of the conference--both because people are getting
real answers that are directly relevant to their situation, and
because it gives me a good idea of the types of questions and problems
that webmasters are facing. So here's the goods:

~ ~ ~

Q: Should I put misspellings in my page so that it ranks well for
misspelled queries?

A: No; it looks unprofessional (how many professional websites have
you seen with a random list of misspelled words? Merrill Lynch? CNN? I
think not). Consistency makes users trust you more. A list of
misspellings may also be considered spam:
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66358

Generally you don't need to put effort into worrying about
misspellings, since most search engines will spell-correct when
someone misspells a query. If you're really concerned about it, you
could come up with clever ways to include the misspellings on your
site in a way that's up-front and helpful to users--for example, if
you run a finance website, you could have a page of Commonly
Misspelled Financial Words. Panelists pointed out that even Google
does this: http://www.google.com/jobs/britney.html  :-)  Just make
sure you're not keyword-stuffing them into hidden parts of your pages
in order to manipulate how the search engines see your page(s).

From Danny Sullivan: You could also leverage user-generated content.
User-generated content is usually full of misspellings, but they're
"natural" (they don't make the site owner look unprofessional, since
you're not the one who provided that content, and they probably
weren't deliberately inserted for the purpose of manipulating search
engines).

~ ~ ~

Q: Are there any legal implications of targeting my competitors'
keywords?

A (from Mark Rosenberg of Sills, Cummis, Epstein & Gross P.C.): It's
fine to target the same keywords or phrases as your competitors (e.g.
[financial management] or [investment banking]); but targeting your
competitors' trademarks, or misspellings of their trademarks, may
violate the law (e.g. if Goldman Sachs has [Merril Lynch] on their
site).
[Note: I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not dispensing legal advice, I'm just
passing on what the lawyer on the panel said!]

~ ~ ~

Q: I've heard that reciprocal links are bad, and that paid links are
bad, but are paid reciprocal links okay?

A: If they're meant to manipulate your ranking in search engines,
they're just as bad as reciprocal links or paid links, or any other
type of link scheme designed to affect your ranking.
http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66356

~ ~ ~

Q: I provide a feed to Google Product Search that's set to expire on a
certain date, but it continues to be available in web search after
that date. What's up with that?

A: Google Product Search adheres to certain attributes as defined in
their feed protocol (such as expiration_date), but those attributes
are unrelated to web search. Any content (such as a feed) that's
available for crawling could potentially be crawled by Googlebot and
appear in web search results. If you don't want your Google Product
Search feed to appear in web search after it has expired, you should
make that content unavailable to crawlers (e.g. by taking it down,
returning a 404 or 410 HTTP status code, or blocking it in robots.txt)
or remove it from our index by using our URL removal tool.
http://google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35301

~ ~ ~

Q: Microsites were really big awhile ago (for providing lots of links
back to your "main site"). Are they still valuable?

A (from Mike Grehan): You need to be careful about building something
that looks like a spam island. Instead of making microsites just for
the sake of the backlinks, spend that time and energy trying to get
solid links to your *real* site.

~ ~ ~

Q: We always hear that content is king, focus on content and links
will come. But what if you're a retailer and your content is super-
boring? How do you sell something boring?

A: Look at Blend-Tec's example. Blenders are pretty boring, right? But
they came up with a cool idea--Will It Blend?--and now people are
emailing their videos to friends and it's very viral and popular. Be
creative. You could also try adding consumer reviews; studies show
they have a very high level of trust right now with users, and people
find them very useful.

~ ~ ~

Q: We're looking for a new CMS (content management system). What
features do you think are most important (from a search engine
optimization perspective)?

A (from Colton Perry, Sage Lewis & Geoff Karcher):
* search-engine-friendly URLs
* the ability to fetch individualized metadata (e.g. you can use a
database to load a different title, meta description, and other
metadata for each page, rather than being forced to use the same
metadata for groups of pages)
* no session IDs in the URLs
* mod_rewrite
* the ability to easily prevent duplicate content
* the ability to hand-optimize anything, if I want (to not be forced
to say "Oh, I can't do x because my CMS won't let me")
* 1 URL for 1 item of content (there shouldn't be multiple URLs that
point to the same content)
* a CMS that allows you as much control/individualizability/quality as
if you'd created the site by hand

~ ~ ~

Conferences this large are often extensively blogged (both during and
after the conference), so you can get lots of the information for free
with a query like this:

http://www.google.com/search?q=SES+Chicago+recap


 
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Berghausen Google employee  
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 More options Dec 21 2007, 8:39 pm
From: Berghausen
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:39:22 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Dec 21 2007 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Notes from Search Engine Strategies conference (Chicago)
Howdy, folks-

Like Susan, and several other Googlers, I made my way to the Windy
City earlier this month for SES Chicago 2007.  So, as promised, I
would love to share some of the lessons I learned and some answers to
concerns that webmasters had:

Flash Crawlability:
A lot of webmasters are conflicted about their websites that use
Flash.  In several sessions, people asked questions about whether some
tool or technique, e.g. Sitemaps, would help their site rank better.
Sitemaps will help a Search Engine find your pages (that's a plus),
but despite the talented engineers working on Flash indexing, there
are many parts of Flash that are not indexable in a way that can be
retrieved by keywords.  Amanda Watlington of Searching for Profit
( http://www.searchingforprofit.com/ ) noted that there are some
industries who can rank well with a purely Flash-driven site (e.g.
major studio movies).  The lesson I would take away is that if you
have a Flash site for which you would like more search engine traffic,
you should consider just how much of the content of your site needs to
be in Flash.  Having your navigation in HTML can make it easier for
mobile surfers and robots to find the pages on your site, and putting
your textual content in the HTML can open it up to those same
audiences, and help the search engines choose the queries for which
your site ought to show up.

Universal Search and Personalized Search:
There was a buzz of excitement about the possibilities opened up by
Universal Search (also called "blended search") and Personalized
Search.  Universal search opens up the door for new kinds of search
marketing and optimization with non-textual content.  Personalized
Search is also exciting because increased personal relevance will mean
better self-selection of customers.  This ultimately means better
conversion rates and higher ROI, which is something everyone likes.
However, the nay-sayers note that SEO is losing some of its best
measures of performance.  Ranking first for a query is not as
meaningful if you do not rank first for the right people.  Some e-
tailers also had fears that their ranking would be pushed down by
localized results.  Bill Barnes of Enquiro ( http://www.enquiro.com/ )
gave these concerns a witty but apt answer.  He noted that if a
searcher prefers local stores, he'll get those, and if he prefers e-
tailers, he'll see those.  Either way the quality of the traffic any
site receives should see improvement as Personalized search becomes
more the way of the world.  For tips on how to take advantage of
Universal Search, check out this blog post on the Google Webmaster
Central Blog from this May:
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/05/taking-advantage-o...

Duplicate Content:
Most sessions in the organic search track had at least one audience
member ask a question about duplicate content.  Duplicate content
problems come in two flavors: internal duplication and external
duplication.  Internal duplication problems often stem from issues
with dynamic addressing.  The trick to dealing with this problem is to
make sure that, for any one piece of content, there is exactly one URL
for search engines to crawl.  If you have the same content available
at example.com/athletics/rollerskates.html and example.com/
transportation/rollerskates.html , which one should we index?  Which
one should your customers bookmark or link to?  The search engines
certainly are not going to show a user both pages for a query on
rollerskates.  If your site is already structured in this way, it is
worth seeing if you can use redirects or URL rewrites to cut down on
duplication, leaving the engines extra space to store more of your
content, and your users one easy location to bookmark and share.
The other kind of duplicate content, which I shall call external
duplication, is most often caused by e-tailers describing their
products using only copy provided by the product's manufacturer.  If
there are 45 retailers selling the same product with the same content,
then what differentiates one e-tailer's content from another?  Not
much.  To make yourself stand out from the pack, you will need to
change or add to your content in a way to make yourself notably
different and better than your competitors.  Allowing customers to
write reviews of the products, or having an exclusive in-house testing
team write reviews of the products you offer are two relevant and
trendy solutions to the problem, but there are lots more!  I see this
as a space wide open for innovation--if you can find a good way to add
new content and make your site easier and more fun for your users, you
will likely discover you have a higher conversion rate, more traffic,
better rankings, and a much improved retirement account.

Hope this can help you brainstorm some good New Year's resolutions to
improve your sites!
-Bergy


 
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