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burchman519  
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 More options Sep 21 2007, 10:32 am
From: burchman519
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:32:20 -0000
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2007 10:32 am
Subject: Minus 30 penalty
What causes a minus 30 penalty?

1.  Bad neighborhoods
2.  non-301 redirects,
3.  Malware
4.  Hidden words, unnatural text, doorway farm, keyword stuffing
5.  Plagiarism

Anything else?


 
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Admin Aaron  
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 More options Sep 21 2007, 10:35 am
From: Admin Aaron
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:35:41 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2007 10:35 am
Subject: Re: Minus 30 penalty
What caused it was that SEOs and other people who game search engines
believed it was true then Google said, "Hey what a great idea" and now
you have it.

Kidding...well kind of. ;)

To be honest with you it most likely doesn't exist and is just a part
of ordinary ranking stuff.

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 More options Sep 21 2007, 10:48 am
From: webado
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:48:55 -0000
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2007 10:48 am
Subject: Re: Minus 30 penalty
Webmaster self-denial and imagination.

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 More options Sep 21 2007, 11:28 am
From: burchman519
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:28:48 -0000
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2007 11:28 am
Subject: Re: Minus 30 penalty
Thanks for the answer, albeit cryptic.

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Sebastian  
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 More options Sep 21 2007, 12:12 pm
From: Sebastian
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:12:21 -0000
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2007 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: Minus 30 penalty
All and nothing of that, if you buy the myths at all. To get us
started, please point to a reliable source defining the thing you
refer to as minus 30 penalty. Forum threads aren't reliable.

Picking an example to show why your question is unanswerable:

>non-301 redirects

What on earth is wrong with meta refreshs, 302 or 307 redirects when
used properly? Where does Google state that they penalize you for non
301 redirects at all? There is a good redirect method for every use
case; blindly doing only 301 redirects is plain sick (although
understandable considering the amount of false SEO advice out there).

HTH
Sebastian

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 More options Sep 21 2007, 1:01 pm
From: burchman519
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:01:07 -0000
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2007 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: Minus 30 penalty
Ok, there may not be an official "30 penalty". I didn't see that term
anywhere in the Webmaster Guidelines.  (but there are 72,000 resulting
pages for that term in a google search, so I just didn't make it up.)

I guess my real question is what other penalities, official or
unofficial, exist (or to be rumored to exist) besides the ones I typed
out in my original post?

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webado  
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 More options Sep 21 2007, 3:36 pm
From: webado
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:36:33 -0000
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2007 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: Minus 30 penalty
#4 will probably result in banning expecially if it's extensive. You
can look at that as -1001 because teh result si the site,s not in the
frist 1000 pages that match the query.

#2, #5 will result in various  degrees of poor indexing - and they'd
be a consequence of bad site structurer, bad  naviagtion, bad
organized content , etc. In short: lousy. Low ranking is not  penalty
here - it's simply what the siet deserves based on content, how it's
built and all that.

#3 - sites don't seem to suffer particularly because of that - it's
just flagged in search results.Migth keep visitrs away (hopefully
anwyay).

#1 may be be a factor in conjunction with the other problems.

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