I'm on several discussion lists hosted by different servers - some
using listserv, some using mailman. I just moved all my list
subscriptions to a gmail address. I set the lists to send me copies
of my own posts (e.g. repro versus norepro) but I am not receiving
copies of my own posts. I am reading my gmail mail by POP (using
Thunderbird). When I view the mail online, I see the copy I sent
(marked as read), but not the copy I received - all other posts are
marked unread. I have verified with the list admins that the lists
are configured to send me a copy of my own posts, and I receive posts
from others just fine.
Is there a way to force gmail to show me email "from myself" as
incoming (new) email so I can download it via POP?
This is a new gmail account, and I haven't setup any filters or made
any changes from the default configuration except to enable POP.
> I'm on several discussion lists hosted by different servers - some
> using listserv, some using mailman. I just moved all my list
> subscriptions to a gmail address. I set the lists to send me copies
> of my own posts (e.g. repro versus norepro) but I am not receiving
> copies of my own posts. I am reading my gmail mail by POP (using
> Thunderbird). When I view the mail online, I see the copy I sent
> (marked as read), but not the copy I received - all other posts are
> marked unread. I have verified with the list admins that the lists
> are configured to send me a copy of my own posts, and I receive posts
> from others just fine.
> Is there a way to force gmail to show me email "from myself" as
> incoming (new) email so I can download it via POP?
> This is a new gmail account, and I haven't setup any filters or made
> any changes from the default configuration except to enable POP.
Gmail supresses duplicate emails -- including the received copy of
sent mails. There is no way to turn this off.
> Gmail supresses duplicate emails -- including the received copy of
> sent mails. There is no way to turn this off.
Thanks Joshua for your info.
Sigh.
Well, that sucks. The "received copy of sent email" is NOT a
duplicate of the sent email - it has headers proving delivery and
distribution to the list! If I wanted to suppress delivery, I would
(and could) do it at the list configuration level. I *really* hate it
when software decides it knows better than I do what I want or need
and has no way to configure it to do what other software does by
default. This is typical Google arrogance. Sigh. I guess I'm going
to abandon my attempts to use gmail for my mailing lists then.
That's what I get for trusting Google to "do the right thing". Then
again, gmail has been "in beta" for over 4 years, which is very
telling - clearly they don't intend to finish or release it because
then people would EXPECT it to work and EXPECT to get support.
When you send a message to any mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail
automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you
time and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if
someone responds to it or if there is an error delivering the message.
If you'd like to view your message, you can find it in Sent Mail or
All Mail.
> > Gmail supresses duplicate emails -- including the received copy of
> > sent mails. There is no way to turn this off.
> Thanks Joshua for your info.
> Sigh.
> Well, that sucks. The "received copy of sent email" is NOT a
> duplicate of the sent email - it has headers proving delivery and
> distribution to the list! If I wanted to suppress delivery, I would
> (and could) do it at the list configuration level. I *really* hate it
> when software decides it knows better than I do what I want or need
> and has no way to configure it to do what other software does by
> default. This is typical Google arrogance. Sigh. I guess I'm going
> to abandon my attempts to use gmail for my mailing lists then.
> That's what I get for trusting Google to "do the right thing". Then
> again, gmail has been "in beta" for over 4 years, which is very
> telling - clearly they don't intend to finish or release it because
> then people would EXPECT it to work and EXPECT to get support.
> > Gmail supresses duplicate emails -- including the received copy of
> > sent mails. There is no way to turn this off.
> Thanks Joshua for your info.
> Sigh.
> Well, that sucks. The "received copy of sent email" is NOT a
> duplicate of the sent email - it has headers proving delivery and
> distribution to the list! If I wanted to suppress delivery, I would
> (and could) do it at the list configuration level. I *really* hate it
> when software decides it knows better than I do what I want or need
> and has no way to configure it to do what other software does by
> default. This is typical Google arrogance. Sigh. I guess I'm going
> to abandon my attempts to use gmail for my mailing lists then.
> That's what I get for trusting Google to "do the right thing". Then
> again, gmail has been "in beta" for over 4 years, which is very
> telling - clearly they don't intend to finish or release it because
> then people would EXPECT it to work and EXPECT to get support.
> When you send a message to any mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail
> automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you
> time and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if
> someone responds to it or if there is an error delivering the message.
> If you'd like to view your message, you can find it in Sent Mail or
> All Mail.
It's not about "viewing" the email - it's about CONFIRMING that it was
distributed to the list. Merely "sending" it doesn't mean the message
went out to others on the list. Messages can be delayed for many
reasons.
There is no way (that I have found) to view the RECEIVED message to
confirm that it was distributed by the list server and sent back out
to all list subscribers (including myself).
> I don't have a problem with the duplicate suppression,
Duplicate suppression means suppressing duplicate copies of email
RECEIVED, such as when someone uses "reply to all" and generates
multiple emails going both directly to others named in the header and
to the list (and thus back out again to everyone listed in the
headers). This is not about suppressing duplicates because the SENT
email and the RECEIVED email are not the same. One has merely "been
sent" but there is no guarantee that it was received by the list
server, or distributed. The other is received, and has received
headers which (among other things) detail the delays (if any) as the
message was processed by the various mail servers in transit.
> but I think it
> should turn on the Inbox label.
I'm reading my email via POP so simply turning on the Inbox label
isn't going to help me. I need to see the copy in my mailing list
folder on my POP client to know that the email was distributed to the
list. Otherwise I have no way to know if a subsequent lack of replies
is because the mail was delayed (a network problem between me and the
list server), the list server is down or there's a network problem
between the list server and me, or because the others on the list
simply find the message uninteresting and not worth replying to.
Jcdill,
If an messages was not delivery or if it was an error it
will bounce back to you also you could go to the mailing list archive
on web you see your messages.
> > When you send a message to any mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail
> > automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you
> > time and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if
> > someone responds to it or if there is an error delivering the message.
> > If you'd like to view your message, you can find it in Sent Mail or
> > All Mail.
> It's not about "viewing" the email - it's about CONFIRMING that it was
> distributed to the list. Merely "sending" it doesn't mean the message
> went out to others on the list. Messages can be delayed for many
> reasons.
> There is no way (that I have found) to view the RECEIVED message to
> confirm that it was distributed by the list server and sent back out
> to all list subscribers (including myself).
> Jcdill,
> If an messages was not delivery or if it was an error it
> will bounce back to you also you could go to the mailing list archive
> on web you see your messages.
It may surprise you to know that not all lists have web archives. The
lists I'm using don't have archives on the web. Further, even with
lists that have web archives it is impractical to login to the website
repeatedly to see if each message has been processed by the list
server - if I wanted to use a web archive to follow a list I wouldn't
be getting the list sent via email. (Reading and following a
discussion group via a web archive is a horrible process versus a
mailing list and I can't understand why or how anyone else does it. I
do it only occasionally, for a few forums that I would participate in
MUCH more often if I could participate by a mailing list.)
I want to know if the delivery is delayed NOW, not hours or days later
if/when the message is bounced back. When I'm sent a copy of my own
post, I know that delivery was not delayed.
I've been using mailing lists for over 10 years - I have a very good
understanding of how mail, mailing lists, bounces, delivery problems,
archives, etc. work. When I receive a copy of my own post I know that
it was distributed to the list, and if there were any delivery delays
(by looking at the received headers). Google "suppressing' this copy
doesn't serve my interests, and the work-arounds proposed don't solve
my issues.
Yesterday I encountered another place that this "feature" is causing
problems with mailing lists.
I'm on a group of lists where the practice is to post asking for
something, and then post again as a reply to one's own first post,
saying that the first request has been filled. Since I don't have a
received copy of my post I can't reply to it. If I take the saved
outgoing message and "reply" to it, it is addressed to the sender
(myself) and not the list - unlike what happens when I reply to a
message sent to the list (which sets the reply-to back to the list).
The hoops I have to jump thru to compose my "reply" are more
complicated than before, all because gmail doesn't deliver to me a
copy of my own post.
I also accidentally posted one message to these lists from the wrong
address - not the address I had used to subscribe to the lists.
Fortunately, these messages were rejected and I received the bounce
messages right away, and could easily resubmit from the right
address. BUT, what if the list was configured to hold non-member
posts for moderation by the list owner, instead of instantly rejecting
them? I would have no way of knowing if my messages had been
delivered, or if my messages were sitting in someone's moderation
mailbox. I've had messages to some of these lists held for moderation
for up to 2 weeks before they were then rejected due to time-out - the
list owner never checked the moderation queue at all.
I also received a very nice email today from a total stranger who
found this thread. The email said:
>> That is SO LAME of gmail. I use this account for most things, but the
>> listserves I'm on go to my POP mail (which I check with pine).
>> I thought folks treated you poorly, too. You obviously knew what you
>> were talking about, and everyone acted like you were the weirdo for
>> wanting your email to work THE WAY EMAIL IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. Ugh.
As you can see, I'm not the only person who feels that gmail is
breaking the way email is supposed to work. I'm not some ludite who
is against change, but I do object when changes break how things work
and the proposed "solutions" don't solve the problems caused by the
breakage.
That purple kool-ade all you googleheads drink sure must be potent
stuff.
Today I just saw yet-another-reason this "repress duplicate email"
policy needs to change, or at least be something that is user-
controlled. On another list, someone accidentally sent private email
to the list. Because he received back a copy of his post, he
immediately saw and realized his error, and immediately apologized to
the list, and then resent his email to the private address he had
intended to send it to. If he had been using gmail, he wouldn't have
received back a copy of his post, wouldn't know of his error until
someone else pointed it out to him, and the intended recipients
wouldn't have promptly received the email he intended to send to
them. Also, on a mailing list with a strict posting policy this type
of mistake often results in a sharp rebuke for not following the list
rules. But if you catch your own error and quickly apologize for it,
then the error is forgiven.
All basic mailing list stuff that has been working correctly for over
30 years, and now it breaks because gmail suppresses the received copy
of mail sent by the list.
You guys are spot on. The suppression of duplicate emails will be the
reason I cannot use Google Apps for corporate. We have been attempting
to convert from Web Office. We get several emails a day from the same
phone service. These emails all have the same subject line - they are
delivering messages from a backup receptionist. I have missed several
of these messages. It is causing frustration at all levels of the
organization, and we are PAYING for this service as a company. I am
requesting this be changed and I hope someone will hear me!
> Today I just saw yet-another-reason this "repress duplicate email"
> policy needs to change, or at least be something that is user-
> controlled. On another list, someone accidentally sent private email
> to the list. Because he received back a copy of his post, he
> immediately saw and realized his error, and immediately apologized to
> the list, and then resent his email to the private address he had
> intended to send it to. If he had been using gmail, he wouldn't have
> received back a copy of his post, wouldn't know of his error until
> someone else pointed it out to him, and the intended recipients
> wouldn't have promptly received the email he intended to send to
> them. Also, on a mailing list with a strict posting policy this type
> of mistake often results in a sharp rebuke for not following the list
> rules. But if you catch your own error and quickly apologize for it,
> then the error is forgiven.
> All basic mailing list stuff that has been working correctly for over
> 30 years, and now it breaks because gmail suppresses the received copy
> of mail sent by the list.
> You guys are spot on. The suppression of duplicate emails will be the
> reason I cannot use Google Apps for corporate. We have been attempting
> to convert from Web Office. We get several emails a day from the same
> phone service. These emails all have the same subject line - they are
> delivering messages from a backup receptionist. I have missed several
> of these messages. It is causing frustration at all levels of the
> organization, and we are PAYING for this service as a company. I am
> requesting this be changed and I hope someone will hear me!
> > Today I just saw yet-another-reason this "repress duplicate email"
> > policy needs to change, or at least be something that is user-
> > controlled. On another list, someone accidentally sent private email
> > to the list. Because he received back a copy of his post, he
> > immediately saw and realized his error, and immediately apologized to
> > the list, and then resent his email to the private address he had
> > intended to send it to. If he had been using gmail, he wouldn't have
> > received back a copy of his post, wouldn't know of his error until
> > someone else pointed it out to him, and the intended recipients
> > wouldn't have promptly received the email he intended to send to
> > them. Also, on a mailing list with a strict posting policy this type
> > of mistake often results in a sharp rebuke for not following the list
> > rules. But if you catch your own error and quickly apologize for it,
> > then the error is forgiven.
> > All basic mailing list stuff that has been working correctly for over
> > 30 years, and now it breaks because gmail suppresses the received copy
> > of mail sent by the list.
This over consolidation of email behavior is a major flaw (especially
since there is plenty of storage space to retain these mails and
Google's existing UI would handle the situation just fine).
Major problems with this behavior/feature:
1) The mail you get back from the mailing list is NOT identical to the
mail you send even though the message ID is the same. All mailing
lists add additional headers and other content to the email and
getting this content can be critical. For instance, you may need the
email list's message ID for various reasons but your email copy in
Gmail won't have it. And moderators sometimes change the email that
was sent and you'll miss that as well.
2) The email may "appear" to have been sent but in fact never made it
through the list and you may not get a bounce -- you don't know this
unless you see that an email was not received back. Most mailing lists
allow you to receive or not receive your own posts. This should be a
setting for Gmail as well. Some people may be happy not to receive
their own posts but for others, like me, it can be critical.
3) If you cross post to several lists at once, each handles the email
differently and Gmail's behaviour glosses this over so you cannot know
what happened to each email through each route.
I'm happy with Gmail's UI, POP interface, and spam filtering
capabilities but this subtle feature is a major problem for me.
> > You guys are spot on. The suppression of duplicate emails will be the
> > reason I cannot use Google Apps for corporate. We have been attempting
> > to convert from Web Office. We get several emails a day from the same
> > phone service. These emails all have the same subject line - they are
> > delivering messages from a backup receptionist. I have missed several
> > of these messages. It is causing frustration at all levels of the
> > organization, and we are PAYING for this service as a company. I am
> > requesting this be changed and I hope someone will hear me!
> Amen!
> --
> Glenn
> > On Sep 16, 12:10 pm, JC Dill wrote:
> > > Today I just saw yet-another-reason this "repress duplicate email"
> > > policy needs to change, or at least be something that is user-
> > > controlled. On anotherlist, someone accidentally sent private email
> > > to thelist. Because he received back a copy of his post, he
> > > immediately saw and realized his error, and immediately apologized to
> > > thelist, and then resent his email to the private address he had
> > > intended to send it to. If he had been using gmail, he wouldn't have
> > > received back a copy of his post, wouldn't know of his error until
> > > someone else pointed it out to him, and the intended recipients
> > > wouldn't have promptly received the email he intended to send to
> > > them. Also, on amailinglistwith a strict posting policy this type
> > > of mistake often results in a sharp rebuke for not following thelist
> > > rules. But if you catch your own error and quickly apologize for it,
> > > then the error is forgiven.
> > > All basicmailingliststuff that has been working correctly for over
> > > 30 years, and now it breaks because gmail suppresses the received copy
> > > of mail sent by thelist.
Beyond mailing lists, this also causes a problem when one have the
Gmail's forwarding feature turned on. If you try to send an email to
yourself as an reminder, Gmail will "cleverly" detect that it is a
duplicate and suppress the forwarding, and quietly put it in your
Gmail Inbox only.
Are there any Gmail development staff monitoring these threads?
Someone earlier posted a link to "suggest new features" which I will
try to use - but is there an actual support contact at Gmail to get
notified of bugs?
As I wrote in the other topic, this problem is unrelated to the
duplicate recognition. It is not a bug, but normal behaviour.
Messages you send do not get forwarded.
> Beyond mailing lists, this also causes a problem when one have the
> Gmail's forwarding feature turned on. If you try to send an email to
> yourself as an reminder, Gmail will "cleverly" detect that it is a
> duplicate and suppress the forwarding, and quietly put it in your
> Gmail Inbox only.
> Are there any Gmail development staff monitoring these threads?
> Someone earlier posted a link to "suggest new features" which I will
> try to use - but is there an actual support contact at Gmail to get
> notified of bugs?
I've recently hit this same very frustrating issue.
Here's an idea that I had and just tested it out.
1. Create a label for the mail list or email forwarding address.
2. Create a filter that keys on the "to" address and applies the label
created in step 1.
When you do this and send an email to the list or forwarding email
account, you still don't see the email show up in your inbox.
However, when you click on the label, the email will be there. Of
course, this may be an acceptable work around for those using the web
interface, but I don't know how mail client programs treat Gmail's
labels.
> Beyond mailing lists, this also causes a problem when one have the
> Gmail's forwarding feature turned on. If you try to send an email to
> yourself as an reminder, Gmail will "cleverly" detect that it is a
> duplicate and suppress the forwarding, and quietly put it in your
> Gmail Inbox only.
> Are there any Gmail development staff monitoring these threads?
> Someone earlier posted a link to "suggest new features" which I will
> try to use - but is there an actual support contact at Gmail to get
> notified of bugs?
This discussion is fascinating as well as a God-send. I thought it was
just *me*. More specifically, I thought it was the list server I use.
I noticed this behavior with 2 different lists. I would send something
to the list and I'd not see it anywhere except in the Sent mailbox. I
checked the list server's email log and found that indeed the
Google.com mail server was reporting the message sent to me (as a
member of the list) as accepted. I just never received it. I twice or
three times posted all the headers to the Gmail help web page for such
things. No change. I sent email to postmaster@ gmail.com and
[email address] (Google handles email for my domain). with my
avolio.com email and gmail email address both subscribed (and a 3rd,
non-Google address) I got no copies.
My mistake: I have my gmail address and verizon address forward to my
avolio.com address.
Now, I see that Google throws away email that seems to be some
percentage identical to email I sent.
As a previous poster pointed out, it is *not* identical. The Subject
line is changed (at last with a Mailman server) to put the list name
in brackets in the subjec, headers are added, and footers are adder,
I suppose Google thinks this is a feature but it certainly is
incorrect behavior in the email world. And, of course, I as a sender
get no confirmation that the list server is working correctly.
This really is not as bad as I thought -- I thought I could get *no*
email from the lists. It is, however, bad.
How exact is exact, Google? You are throwing away mail that is sent to
me.
> This discussion is fascinating as well as a God-send. I thought it was
> just *me*. More specifically, I thought it was the list server I use.
> I noticed this behavior with 2 different lists. I would send something
> to the list and I'd not see it anywhere except in the Sent mailbox. I
> checked the list server's email log and found that indeed the
> Google.com mail server was reporting the message sent to me (as a
> member of the list) as accepted. I just never received it. I twice or
> three times posted all the headers to the Gmail help web page for such
> things. No change. I sent email to postmaster@ gmail.com and
> [email address] (Google handles email for my domain). with my
> avolio.com email and gmail email address both subscribed (and a 3rd,
> non-Google address) I got no copies.
> My mistake: I have my gmail address and verizon address forward to my
> avolio.com address.
> Now, I see that Google throws away email that seems to be some
> percentage identical to email I sent.
> As a previous poster pointed out, it is *not* identical. The Subject
> line is changed (at last with a Mailman server) to put the list name
> in brackets in the subjec, headers are added, and footers are adder,
> I suppose Google thinks this is a feature but it certainly is
> incorrect behavior in the email world. And, of course, I as a sender
> get no confirmation that the list server is working correctly.
> This really is not as bad as I thought -- I thought I could get *no*
> email from the lists. It is, however, bad.
> How exact is exact, Google? You are throwing away mail that is sent to
> me.
I completely support the idea of gmail showing the mails sent to
lists. What's the correct place to ask for that feature or support
someone else's request?
> > This discussion is fascinating as well as a God-send. I thought it was
> > just *me*. More specifically, I thought it was the list server I use.
> > I noticed this behavior with 2 different lists. I would send something
> > to the list and I'd not see it anywhere except in the Sent mailbox. I
> > checked the list server's email log and found that indeed the
> > Google.com mail server was reporting the message sent to me (as a
> > member of the list) as accepted. I just never received it. I twice or
> > three times posted all the headers to the Gmail help web page for such
> > things. No change. I sent email to postmaster@ gmail.com and
> > [email address] (Google handles email for my domain). with my
> > avolio.com email and gmail email address both subscribed (and a 3rd,
> > non-Google address) I got no copies.
> > My mistake: I have my gmail address and verizon address forward to my
> > avolio.com address.
> > Now, I see that Google throws away email that seems to be some
> > percentage identical to email I sent.
> > As a previous poster pointed out, it is *not* identical. The Subject
> > line is changed (at last with a Mailman server) to put the list name
> > in brackets in the subjec, headers are added, and footers are adder,
> > I suppose Google thinks this is a feature but it certainly is
> > incorrect behavior in the email world. And, of course, I as a sender
> > get no confirmation that the list server is working correctly.
> > This really is not as bad as I thought -- I thought I could get *no*
> > email from the lists. It is, however, bad.
> > How exact is exact, Google? You are throwing away mail that is sent to
> > me.
> I completely support the idea of gmail showing the mails sent to
> lists. What's the correct place to ask for that feature or support
> someone else's request?
> > > This discussion is fascinating as well as a God-send. I thought it was
> > > just *me*. More specifically, I thought it was the list server I use.
> > > I noticed this behavior with 2 different lists. I would send something
> > > to the list and I'd not see it anywhere except in the Sent mailbox. I
> > > checked the list server's email log and found that indeed the
> > > Google.com mail server was reporting the message sent to me (as a
> > > member of the list) as accepted. I just never received it. I twice or
> > > three times posted all the headers to the Gmail help web page for such
> > > things. No change. I sent email to postmaster@ gmail.com and
> > > [email address] (Google handles email for my domain). with my
> > > avolio.com email and gmail email address both subscribed (and a 3rd,
> > > non-Google address) I got no copies.
> > > My mistake: I have my gmail address and verizon address forward to my
> > > avolio.com address.
> > > Now, I see that Google throws away email that seems to be some
> > > percentage identical to email I sent.
> > > As a previous poster pointed out, it is *not* identical. The Subject
> > > line is changed (at last with a Mailman server) to put the list name
> > > in brackets in the subjec, headers are added, and footers are adder,
> > > I suppose Google thinks this is a feature but it certainly is
> > > incorrect behavior in the email world. And, of course, I as a sender
> > > get no confirmation that the list server is working correctly.
> > > This really is not as bad as I thought -- I thought I could get *no*
> > > email from the lists. It is, however, bad.
> > > How exact is exact, Google? You are throwing away mail that is sent to
> > > me.
I've submitted my suggestion. I understand the how. But this is a
completely brain dead behavior for mailing lists.
First off, would anyone have a suggestion for a more sane email
service that I can use for mailing lists?
Here's an itemized list of reasons why this behavior is counter
productive that I've run into, I'm sure there are more:
- If you're using a mailing list to make announcements or post work
flow suggestions. Often these are not replied to, but may need to be
updated with current info. The "Gmail Way" requires searching through
1000's of emails in your Sent Box or All Mail box just to update a
notification post.
- If a user mistakenly replies to you directly when it's obvious they
intended to post to the list or if forwarding it to the list would be
helpful to others, you cannot forward it to the list and have it show
up. Thus when you search for an answer to a question you know you
previously asked in your list mail directory, you will not find it.
- There are other reasons besides failed delivery that a message can
fail to be posted to a list. Some are mentioned above. Not all produce
an immediate bounce back or any at all. This "feature" masks all of
these problems.
- The behavior is just plain uncommon and unexpected resulting in
users being confused.
Not disagreeing, but I wanted to point out that you can solve several
of those issues by using filters. Set up a filter to recognise the
list mail, and label it. You will probably just need to filter on "to:
[list address]".
This workaround does not solve the "failed delivery" problem, but it
does collect all your sent and received messages together.
> I've submitted my suggestion. I understand the how. But this is a
> completely brain dead behavior for mailing lists.
> First off, would anyone have a suggestion for a more sane email
> service that I can use for mailing lists?
> Here's an itemized list of reasons why this behavior is counter
> productive that I've run into, I'm sure there are more:
> - If you're using a mailing list to make announcements or post work
> flow suggestions. Often these are not replied to, but may need to be
> updated with current info. The "Gmail Way" requires searching through
> 1000's of emails in your Sent Box or All Mail box just to update a
> notification post.
> - If a user mistakenly replies to you directly when it's obvious they
> intended to post to the list or if forwarding it to the list would be
> helpful to others, you cannot forward it to the list and have it show
> up. Thus when you search for an answer to a question you know you
> previously asked in your list mail directory, you will not find it.
> - There are other reasons besides failed delivery that a message can
> fail to be posted to a list. Some are mentioned above. Not all produce
> an immediate bounce back or any at all. This "feature" masks all of
> these problems.
> - The behavior is just plain uncommon and unexpected resulting in
> users being confused.
> Not disagreeing, but I wanted to point out that you can solve several
> of those issues by using filters. Set up a filter to recognise the
> list mail, and label it. You will probably just need to filter on "to:
> [list address]".
> This workaround does not solve the "failed delivery" problem, but it
> does collect all your sent and received messages together.
Ah ha, you are correct. You have to set the filter on Gmail's side. My
filters are set on my mail client. Though not an ideal solution, it is
a working solution.
From now on, I'll set my filters for mailing lists on the gmail side
rather then the client side.
Well, as long as we realize what you will filter is the email message
you *sent* before it got to the mailing list. If the mailing list
formats it (e.g., Mailman and others can be set to change the subject
to prepend the list name, such as "Subject: [FredList] ..."). This
will allow you to find what you sent, but I would much rather not have
Gmail discard mail just because I sent it.
> > Not disagreeing, but I wanted to point out that you can solve several
> > of those issues by using filters. Set up a filter to recognise the
> > list mail, and label it. You will probably just need to filter on "to:
> > [list address]".
> > This workaround does not solve the "failed delivery" problem, but it
> > does collect all your sent and received messages together.
> Ah ha, you are correct. You have to set the filter on Gmail's side. My
> filters are set on my mail client. Though not an ideal solution, it is
> a working solution.
> From now on, I'll set my filters for mailing lists on the gmail side
> rather then the client side.
