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tomo  
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 More options Mar 14 2006, 4:17 pm
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:17:47 -0800
Local: Tues, Mar 14 2006 4:17 pm
Subject: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
GTDers,

I have just posted an alternative "kinkless" GTD system for those that
are interested. It can be found at:

     http://ca.geocities.com/tom.ot...@rogers.com/gtd/gtd-sample.html

As I have suggested in other threads, I created this version to try and
get a system that was highly usable but, at the same time,
understandable and easily modified. I have also tried to minimize the
number of plugin dependencies so that, in addition to my own plugins,
there are only four other *required* plugins. Significantly (from an
ease-of-use standpoint), forEachTiddler is *not* one of them.

In addition to a cleaner interface, the other significant improvement
in this as compared to other solutions is that project action ordering
is respected and, as a result, "next action" processing is automatic.
This should be a big help to those that think in "projects" more than
"contexts".

Other ease-of-use features include:
     * automatic refresh of dependent tiddlers when changes are made
     * quick action completion and context changing interface
     * reasonably good performance

Right now, this is still a work-in-progress. The wiki describes the
known bugs and missing features, but your input is happily invited. But
know that I am currently using it for my "real" GTD system, so I am not
just a developer, but a customer too!

I genuinely hope that this is useful to somebody.

-- tomo


 
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Ben Johnson  
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 More options Mar 15 2006, 3:59 pm
From: "Ben Johnson" <bdjohnso...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:59:00 -0800
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
I've had some issues with being able to create new tiddlers and save
them, both using IE5.5 and FF1.5.  The "done" button on a new tiddler
appears to do nothing, once I try to put a <<gtdAction>> macro in.

The html has some crap thrown in by yahoo/geocities, also.  Don't know
how that's interfering.  Could you post a ZIP of your local file or
something?


 
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 More options Mar 15 2006, 4:42 pm
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:42:48 -0800
Local: Wed, Mar 15 2006 4:42 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Sorry for the confusion...this is standard TW operating procedures but
I should have been more explicit. If you click on the link in my
earlier message, you will access a read-only copy of the wiki. You
would need to save this file locally ("Save Target As...") to do
anything useful. Also, and this is a known TW thing with IE, once you
save the file, you need to go to its Properties and click on the
"Unblock" button.

Hope this helps, and thanks for looking.

-- tomo


 
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 More options Mar 15 2006, 5:07 pm
From: "Ben Johnson" <bdjohnso...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:07:44 -0800
Local: Wed, Mar 15 2006 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Right, I've already saved a local copy and tried working with it that
way.

Here's where I have a problem (tested on FF 1.5.0.1):

1) Open local copy of file
2) Click "Create New Project"
3) Name it "TLV"
4) Put some miscellaneous text in, no gtdAction, click "done"
5) Appears to be ok.  Save file, do a ctrl-f5 reload to confirm it
actually wrote
6) Reopen TLV and edit
7) Add <<gtdAction "Update MP spec" @computer>>
8) click Done, nothing happens.
9) click Cancel, and it changes to be "The tiddler TLV doesn't exist
yet"

If I repeat steps 6-9 in IE5, I get a script error at line 1944, char 2
- 'null' is null or not an object.  Clicking "cancel" results in the
same results as step 9 in FF.

I also looked at the JavaScript console in FF, and when I click the
"done" button, it gives me a "Tiddler has no properties error" in the
"Formatter" function.

Hope that helps find the problem.


 
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tomo  
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 More options Mar 15 2006, 5:18 pm
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:18:03 -0800
Local: Wed, Mar 15 2006 5:18 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Bahh! I just tried to do the same thing and came across the same error.
It is fixed now, so grab a new version from the server. This version
has the following changes:

     * fixed Javascript error when create new actions within a project
     * Action Review no longer shows empty contexts
     * GTD menu items have been externalized into their own tiddler, so
that GTD functionality can be more easily added to existing TW

-- tomo


 
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 More options Mar 15 2006, 5:38 pm
From: "Ben Johnson" <bdjohnso...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:38:52 -0800
Local: Wed, Mar 15 2006 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Appears to be fixed.  I'll play around more and let you know my
thoughts.

--Ben


 
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 More options Mar 16 2006, 4:57 pm
From: "DT" <artcanadianst...@cogeco.ca>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:57:10 -0800
Local: Thurs, Mar 16 2006 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Is this one usable with Safari? or just IE or Firefox?

dt


 
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 More options Mar 16 2006, 5:14 pm
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:14:32 -0800
Local: Thurs, Mar 16 2006 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Good question! Since TW works on Safari, I should think that it would
"just work", but I haven't tried. I can try later tonight or, if you
try first, let the group know.

-- tomo


 
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 More options Mar 17 2006, 8:47 am
From: "Ken Girard" <ken.gir...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:47:50 -0800
Local: Fri, Mar 17 2006 8:47 am
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Hello Tomo,
Was checking out what you have and thought that you might wish to add
the DatePlugin (http://www.tiddlytools.com/#DatePlugin) as it enhances
the calendar nicely.

Also you might want to update your reminders so folks get a nice feel
of what things will do.

And now off to work...


 
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 More options Mar 17 2006, 11:37 am
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:37:57 -0800
Local: Fri, Mar 17 2006 11:37 am
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki

> Also you might want to update your reminders so folks get a nice feel
> of what things will do.

I am not sure what you are suggesting here...

-- tomo


 
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 More options Mar 17 2006, 1:31 pm
From: "Ken Girard" <ken.gir...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:31:26 -0800
Local: Fri, Mar 17 2006 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
You have a tiddler called 'Reminders' which shows reminder (Overdue,
today & tommorow, and for next week) but currently is showing "There
are no upcoming events" in all 3 catagories.

Adding in some reminders that are always current (Something like
<<reminder date:15 title:"Project 1 Monthly Report due">>) would help
show folks what would be showing there once they start putting thier
own reminders in.

Partially I am suggesting this as we get a lot of folks thru here who
were just searching for something to help them track their life GTD
style. They don't know what to expect, and all they have to go by is
what they see in your example. I can look at the code and see what your
trying to do, but to them that "<<ForEach..." means nothing.

The more complete your examples are the better of a feel they get of
what it can and can not do. Also if you put little notes in a tiddler
(Like 'Reminders') explaining what they are seeing, what is currently
not quite up to what you want, future plans, etc. then they also get a
better feel for what you have and where you are going with something.

Does this make a little more sense?

Ken Girard


 
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 More options Mar 18 2006, 3:29 pm
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:29:56 -0800
Local: Sat, Mar 18 2006 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
I have uploaded a newer version of the sample, at the same location,
that has the following fixes/enhancements:

*  Reminders now displays all events in next 7 days, not just
non-actions
*  added DatePlugin to allow integration between reminders and calendar
*  fixed closures as potential leak points
*  unfile actions for deleted contexts and projects
*  support "delete all" for deep delete of projects
*  mark an action as done from action view template
*  added "new reminder" to footer of action view template
*  minor notification bug fixes

Note that this version does *not* include the core changes I describe
in another thread (on TiddlyWikiDev) that fix leaks on IE. I would
prefer not to distribute those changes in the wild until they make it
into the core proper.

As always, the ToDo describes what is yet to come, and comments and
criticisms are very, very welcome.

-- tomo


 
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 More options Mar 19 2006, 3:48 pm
From: "Nakeva" <ncoroth...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:48:04 -0000
Local: Sun, Mar 19 2006 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Call me crazy, but how do you download a copy? I don't see a link like
in the other TWs.

Thnaks.


 
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 More options Mar 19 2006, 10:20 pm
From: "Ken Girard" <ken.gir...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:20:13 -0800
Local: Sun, Mar 19 2006 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Right click on this link (
http://ca.geocities.com/tom.ot...@rogers.com/gtd/gtd-sample.html) and
pick "Save as..." or something to that effect.

Well if you are running Windows, it is right click.
Not sure what you do with a 1-button Mac mouse. Alt-click? Ctrl-click?
And the folks running Linux just do.... they don't normally ask
questions, they just do whatever it takes.


 
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 More options Mar 20 2006, 6:32 am
From: "DT" <artcanadianst...@cogeco.ca>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 03:32:49 -0800
Local: Mon, Mar 20 2006 6:32 am
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
I am using Safari (don't know if that is what is making the difference)
but when I copy and paste the above web page into my browser it just
goes to Geocities with an error.  I also tried Control-click...nothing.
Any suggestions?  I would really like to see your GTD system.

Thanks
dt.


 
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 More options Mar 20 2006, 8:57 am
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 05:57:04 -0800
Local: Mon, Mar 20 2006 8:57 am
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
I am still working on the internal notifications so that that is not
going to happen. Clearly, I have not got it "just right". The reason
this is different from GTDTiddlyWikiPlus, by the way, is because this
system is doing a number of "action management" tasks for you
automatically. Things like assigning actions to context and projects,
changing context, completing actions...all of those would need to be
manually tagged using the other TW-GTD systems. This is fine for
someone well versed in the TW interface, but is kind of non-intuitive
for general use. This system still uses tags, but as a user, you don't
need to know that.

Thanks for the feedback!

-- tomo


 
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 More options Mar 20 2006, 9:02 am
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:02:14 -0800
Local: Mon, Mar 20 2006 9:02 am
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
DT,

I don't have a Safari machine beside me right now, so I cannot give you
the exact verbage for saving a page locally, but if you simply cannot
paste the URL into your browser without getting a geocities error, then
I have to ask:

     Are you using the "obfuscated" URL that is create automatically by
Google Groups?

After the ca.geocities.com root, there should be my name: tom.otvos AT
rogers.com, followed by the gtd subdirectory, followed by
gtd-sample.html.

I hope this helps!

-- tomo


 
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 More options Mar 20 2006, 9:06 am
From: "saw" <sakke.w...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:06:37 -0000
Local: Mon, Mar 20 2006 9:06 am
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Many things are much slower compared to GTDTiddlyWiki Plus, for example
searching and closing other tiddlers. Any solution?

 
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 More options Mar 20 2006, 10:06 am
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:06:22 -0800
Local: Mon, Mar 20 2006 10:06 am
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Hmmm, I thought I replied directly to your post, but it showed up
higher up in this thread....

I am still working on the internal notifications so that that is not
going to happen. Clearly, I have not got it "just right". The reason
this is different from GTDTiddlyWikiPlus, by the way, is because this
system is doing a number of "action management" tasks for you
automatically. Things like assigning actions to context and projects,
changing context, completing actions...all of those would need to be
manually tagged using the other TW-GTD systems. This is fine for
someone well versed in the TW interface, but is kind of non-intuitive
for general use. This system still uses tags, but as a user, you don't
need to know that.

Thanks for the feedback!

-- tomo


 
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 More options Mar 20 2006, 10:23 am
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:23:17 -0800
Local: Mon, Mar 20 2006 10:23 am
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
I'll also say that if you have "autosave" turned on, it will be a bit
more sluggish than if you did your saves explicitly. Again, that is
something I am trying to optimize.

 
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 More options Mar 20 2006, 11:23 am
From: "Nakeva" <ncoroth...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:23:42 -0000
Local: Mon, Mar 20 2006 11:23 am
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Thanks Ken!

 
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 More options Mar 20 2006, 10:35 pm
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:35:22 -0800
Local: Mon, Mar 20 2006 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
DT,

Just to follow up, I am right now using Safari and, after
de-obfuscating the URL that Google Groups put into my message, I simply
right-clicked (or crtl-clicked if you have a single button mouse) and
selected "Save Linked File...". The key for you, I think, is to get the
full URL to show up in the message.

-- tomo


 
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 More options Mar 21 2006, 12:07 am
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:07:10 -0800
Local: Tues, Mar 21 2006 12:07 am
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
I have uploaded a newer version of the sample, to the usual location,
with the following enhancements:

     * general sluggishness has been substantially improved by removing
unnecessary internal notifications
     * "review" pages now correctly update when projects/contexts are
renamed

Feedback, as always, is very, very welcome.

-- tomo


 
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From: "Gregg Joesten" <gjoes...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:05:53 -0600
Local: Tues, Mar 21 2006 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Tomo,

First I'm impressed with your approach and knee deep in it -- what is
the recommended approach for upgrading and keeping my tiddlers?

On 3/20/06, tomo <tom.ot...@rogers.com> wrote:


 
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 More options Mar 21 2006, 3:07 pm
From: "tomo" <tom.ot...@rogers.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:07:17 -0800
Local: Tues, Mar 21 2006 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: Alternative "kinkless" GTD TiddlyWiki
Thanks for the compliment. As to upgrading, during development I have
sadly not devoted a lot of brainpower to this. But working in your
favour (and one of the main points of this design) is the fact that
virtually all of my work is encompassed in a single tiddler
(GTDPlugins). But to be specific...

1. Download the latest gtd-sample.html.
2. Use the timeline to see what tiddlers have changed. Aside from
sample data, this will usually only be one or two "core" tiddlers.
3. Import the changed tiddlers using the "Import" menu item, or just
cut/paste the tiddler data from the sample.
4. Reload your document.

I know this is not ideal, but that is the best I can offer right now.
But know that I am acutely aware that getting updates is an issue, as I
am using the system too. Putting the GTD menu items in a separate
tiddler was one example of where I wanted to be able to update things
as easily as possible without impacting the surrounding environment. I
will also start posting an XML export file that you can use to bring
your system up-to-date, without worrying about scanning the timeline
for changes.

-- tomo


 
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