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If the corn stalks used to make the charcoal are organic, would the pyrolysised charcaol be considered organic?
Could other organic materials be used, say dried sewage waste? Since it gets burned, doesn't that mean that it no longer has the volatile organic compounds in it anymore?
Chris Shorb wrote: > If the corn stalks used to make the charcoal are organic, would the > pyrolysised charcaol be considered organic?
> Could other organic materials be used, say dried sewage waste? Since > it gets burned, doesn't that mean that it no longer has the volatile > organic compounds in it anymore?
> Very interesting article Owen, thanks.
> best -
> chris
1- sewage being burned works -it's the main fuel used in india. The biological hazards are killed by the burning. Sterilization is a matter of heat and time. Six minutes at boiling point of water is considered safe for killing any bugs.
2-Burning anything is toxic. Benzo-pyrene is a nasty chemical which actually CAUSES cancer. Anytime we burn organic matter at normal low temperatures (charcoal, bonfires, open flames, etc.) we create benzo-pyrene exhaust. Smoking, barbecuing, campfire smoke, candle smoke, etc. all create poisonous carcinogenic benzo-pyrene.
Burning organic corn may or may not create "organic" charcoal, but organic or not, it will be poisonous.
Burning is bad. Sorry.
We have other technology available which is not poisonous such as focused sunlight, solar electric, wind electric, etc., etc.
Dave
ps that black tasty bbq char that's on your meat after bbq is guess what? Benzo Pyrene containing solids.
I had heard that the char on meat was carcinogenic.
Based on how I read the original article that starts this thread, I don't think the burning of the corn to create charcoal is going to be used as a fuel source. I believe the charred corn will be used as a soil ameliorate.
Are focused sunlight, solar electric, wind electric going to be used to make better soil?
Much of the natural gas used in this country is used to make fertilizer. And if we make charcoal without releasing tons of carbon in the air, and then sequester it in the soil, that will pull a lot of carbon out of the atmosphere, reducing global warming.
Finally, what I am not clear on is whether if we put charcoal into the ground, whether it will in fact pass along those carcinogenic properties to the food grown out of that ground? I have no opinion on it, I don't know - I would love to hear what people think on that. Obviously from the original article, the author thinks that it is safe.
I must admit that I don't know much about soils and fertilizers, so forgive me my ignorant questions, but here goes:
1-Why burn the corn, as oposed to composting it, or feeding it to pigs, etc.?
2-How is the natural gas used to make fertilizer? Is it the energy of natural gas that is needed, or some compounds in the natural gas that are harvested to make the fertilizer?
> I had heard that the char on meat was carcinogenic.
> Based on how I read the original article that starts this thread, I > don't think the burning of the corn to create charcoal is going to be > used as a fuel source. I believe the charred corn will be used as a > soil ameliorate.
> Are focused sunlight, solar electric, wind electric going to be used to > make better soil?
> Much of the natural gas used in this country is used to make > fertilizer. And if we make charcoal without releasing tons of carbon > in the air, and then sequester it in the soil, that will pull a lot of > carbon out of the atmosphere, reducing global warming.
> Finally, what I am not clear on is whether if we put charcoal into the > ground, whether it will in fact pass along those carcinogenic > properties to the food grown out of that ground? I have no opinion on > it, I don't know - I would love to hear what people think on that. > Obviously from the original article, the author thinks that it is safe.
In the Amazon basin, contrary to what used be believed lies some of the richest soil on the planet. It is called Terra Petra. It is the result of generations of sophisticated slash and char techniques used by the indigenous people of the region. In this charcoal enriched soil, they planted tens of thousands of acres of food forests.
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Hi Chris--
I must admit that I don't know much about soils and fertilizers, so forgive me my ignorant questions, but here goes:
1-Why burn the corn, as oposed to composting it, or feeding it to pigs, etc.?
2-How is the natural gas used to make fertilizer? Is it the energy of natural gas that is needed, or some compounds in the natural gas that are harvested to make the fertilizer?
Dave
Chris Shorb wrote: > Hi Dave -
> I had heard that the char on meat was carcinogenic.
> Based on how I read the original article that starts this thread, I > don't think the burning of the corn to create charcoal is going to be > used as a fuel source. I believe the charred corn will be used as a > soil ameliorate.
> Are focused sunlight, solar electric, wind electric going to be used to > make better soil?
> Much of the natural gas used in this country is used to make > fertilizer. And if we make charcoal without releasing tons of carbon > in the air, and then sequester it in the soil, that will pull a lot of > carbon out of the atmosphere, reducing global warming.
> Finally, what I am not clear on is whether if we put charcoal into the > ground, whether it will in fact pass along those carcinogenic > properties to the food grown out of that ground? I have no opinion on > it, I don't know - I would love to hear what people think on that. > Obviously from the original article, the author thinks that it is safe.
> best -
> chris
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and a shorter discussion of Terra preta at The Permaculture Forum.
There will be a discussion group starting next week
One of the ingreadients in Terra preta gardening is charcoal. Produced preferably at low temperatures of 400-500C The systems I have seen such at that of "Best Energies" is self contained and recycles gasses to run the plant and produce electricity.I don't think Benzo-pyrene is a worry as the system is self-contained, but I will ask Isn't Benzo-pyrene produced when natural gas is burnt?
Charcoal tablets are often given to patients who have ingested poisons, and activated charcoal is used to filter and purify water, so I don't think it can be too toxic
The role of charcoal in the soil is still being studied, but as far as this group is concerned it lessens dependence on any fertiliser, other than organic matter and manures. It promote the microbial and fungal life of the soil in ways we don't fully understand. It improves soil CEC.enormously The Natives of the Amazon basin claim Terra preta soil "grows". Certainly is is the most fertile soil seen in the tropics and is man made. The charcoal has been ground into a very fine powder. Soils can be metres deep.
Other important ingredients of Terra preta soils seem to be fish waste, organic matter, manures and pottery shards. There may be a special "suite" of bacteria and fungi that make the Terra preta of the Amazon special. However I have seen good results using charcoal in potting mixes. The Japanese have been using it for years and it is a major ingredient in Bonsai Potting mixes.
Many people who are not gardeners or farmers are excited about Terra preta's ability to safely and almost permanently sequester CO2 and thus help reduce our Global Warming crisis
There will be an international Conference on Terra preta and bio-char later this year in Australia.
You are right Dave burning most things sems to produce Benzopyrene In a properly engineered pyrolisys plant however the production is minimal. a lot less that satrting up your diesal 4-WD. (At the moment a goodly part of oz is on fire with raging busfires!) Benzo-pyrene is cleared from the body by an enzyme with called "glutathione-S -transferase p, called GS T-p" I think production of this lessens as you get older (?)
The main source of cancerous Benzo-pyrene is cigarette smoke
To put it in perspective however, see the following chart (an extract follows) http://www-envirinfo.llnl.gov/1Radiationandyou_doc.pdf (Page 2) Riisky Busiiness? Each of the following activities increases your risk of death by one chance in one million Activity Cause of Death 10 millirem of radiation (typical chest X-ray) Cancer About 20 days of breathing (radon "daughters" in air) Lung cancer Smoking 1 cigarette Cancer, heart disease Drinking 1/2 liter of wine Cirrhosis of the liver Living 2 months with a cigarette smoker Cancer, heart disease Eating 40 teaspoons of peanut butter Cancer caused by alfatoxin B Drinking Miami drinking water for 1 year Cancer caused by chloroform Drinking 30 cans of diet soda Cancer caused by saccharin Eating 100 charcoal-broiled steaks Cancer caused by benzopyrene
Last week in Oz we had a lady die from drinking too much water! So even drinking pure fresh water can be deadly!
The new Terra Preta Website is up and running and I am sure there are more knowledgeable people than me there who would be happy to discuss your concerns. SEE http://info.bioenergylists.org/?q=about michael