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Koos Nolst Trenite  
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From: "Koos Nolst Trenite" <AmbassadorForMank...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:35:21 -0800
Local: Tues, Dec 13 2005 1:35 pm
Subject: Bach Pulling People Out Of Hell - {HRI 20051021-V3.2} (Version 3.2 on 13 Dec 2005)
Bach Pulling People Out Of Hell

                                                     21 October 2005
                                                  {HRI 20051021-V3.2}

                                                        (Version 3.2
                                                      on 13 Dec 2005)

'

As there was nobody on Earth or beyond, able or willing to face and
 understand the matter, I had to do so.

'

'Being in Hell' - as you certainly know and have experienced - is a
 condition of being drowned by and into certain thoughts and feelings
 and impressions that have been and are being inflicted onto you and
 others, and

      that do block, or replace, a truthful connection to your own
      nature and to your own genuine feelings and thoughts, and of
      course to the nature and feelings of others as well.

      I have described the experience in the (most important)
      Human Rights Issue, titled

           'The Feeling "When God Has Left You..." - Introduction
            to 'What is Hell' ' {HRI 20031124-V3.2}.  *(1)

 I am talking in this Human Rights Issue about a normal person, and
 how he or she will get to experience or gets to be immersed in Hell.

'

'

'

      1. You can be compelled *(a) to feel as if you yourself WANT to
         experience and 'enjoy' a feeling of "total freedom"

            by means of enforced feelings and false perceptions, an
            invitation to DENY what is true, an invitation using
            various methods and forces

            of seeking distortion or even reversal of normal
            awareness - of the normal awareness of who is who, and
            of what is what - distorted or reversed, and thus

            supplying the "total freedom" of

                 "reality is ...whatever you make yourself and others
                  think 'it is',"

                        which results then in the freedom of

            destroying and disrupting life, and

                  from the viewpoint of this different "reality" and
                  different "awareness," however,

            that, destroying and disrupting life, then suddenly
            becomes allowable, yes, even desirable,

                  by assigning it - and after having assigned it -
                  the quality of "aiding life,"

                        when "reality is ...whatever you make
                        yourself and others think 'it is'." *(10)

'

         (You can read the history books on that.)

'

      Another way, how a normal person can become immersed in and
      experience that Hell, certainly applies to everyone, because
      the conditions on Earth are like that.

      2. Entirely beyond your own will and entirely without your own
         doing, you can be surrounded by and pulled into and be
         overwhelmed by distorted and distorting feelings and
         perceptions.

         And you will understand how that is possible, and how it is
         inflicted onto you,

            if you understand the nature of perception and feeling.
            *(1)

'

         Such a 'fog' can distort your perceptions that strongly,

            and prevent so much correct awareness,

         that it makes you believe "it is a normal condition,"
         or even, that what you feel or sense, and what you think
         as a result, "is right" (and "should be like that").  *(1)

            It might be easy for someone looking at you from outside
            of that, to see your being absorbed in such a fog of
            false feelings and false perceptions and false
            conclusions - let's say, if you are in a very destructive
            personal or group relationship -

            and a true friend would very un-diplomatically say:

                 'Hey, snap out of it, buddy! Those are not your
                  OWN thoughts and not your OWN feelings and not
                  your OWN emotions!'  *(8)
'

         (You can read the history books on that, too.)

'

How to get out of that Hell and how to stay out of that Hell and how
 to prevent yourself from getting into that Hell, is a valid question.

 And I wanted to add the answer to that, in this update Version 3.0.

 The answer has two parts, the second part is how to get out of Hell,
 and the first part, is about how to not get into Hell.

 I limit myself now to the easiest part, the first part:

'

Being pushed or immersed into Hell, is, as you saw above, basically a
 matter of Mind Control.

 Thus it is vital, to keep as much control as possible over your own
 mind, that is, over your own Energies:

      That is, to find and keep to your OWN ideas, to establish your
      OWN feelings, to allow your OWN desire to perceive, to remember
      your OWN knowledge, to follow your OWN desire to connect to and
      be interested in life and in people and in various activities.

'

 From this you can see, that children, from a very early age onward,
 till adulthood, are raised and educated into being morons,

      with a considerable rate of success, I would add - already if
      I only look at myself:

      It took me scores of years to 'UN-EDUCATE' myself, or if you
      like, to 'DE-EDUCATE' myself,

            to get back enough of my own, native, and very intense
            interest in life and in people,

            to connect back to my very great love for and my enormous
            capacity to care for people, and

            to my tremendous ability to see and hold truth visible
            or felt for others.

'

'

The subject title is 'Bach Pulling People out of Hell.'

The music of Bach, and the music of Mozart *(b)

      (Mozart is the same person or soul, as I have explained to you
       earlier, in the Human Rights Issue 'Who Feels Bach Correctly -
       The Soul Of Music' {HRI 20040704-V3.1} *(2)) the music of Bach,
       and the music of Mozart

 literally pulls normal people out of Hell, out of those false
 perceptions and false feelings of Hell:

      When you have a normal person getting in a psychotic break, then
      you can play a record of some music of Bach or of Mozart, and
      he or she may come right out of it, and connect back to himself
      or herself, to his or her OWN feelings for life, and

      connect back to actual perception and to actual awareness of
      life, of people and of feelings, and of the surroundings as
      these actually are.

'

'

Then there are people to whom this does not apply

      - about one percent of any population, regardless of race,
        gender or age, education or profession, social position, and
        also regardless of religion -

 also they want to experience things - and Beautiful music, including
 the music of Bach and Mozart, may certainly be one of these things;

 however, they will not change in their "perception" of life,

 because, not only are they wholly immersed in the feelings and in the
 "perceptions" and "awareness" dictated as Hell

      - their soul has been most severely damaged, in the very distant
        past, mutilated so severely, that they want to stay in that
        condition,

            IN those feelings and false perceptions, and IN the
            false, inverted "awareness" about others and about life
            and about themselves,

            in, what they want to see as being "their own reality of
            life,"

                  and they confuse you about their actual condition,
                  by saying it is the opposite

                        - worded often in very 'clever' philosophic
                          or religious or scientific terms

                         (when philosophically, they say 'it is self-
                          evident,' or when religiously, they say 'it
                          is divine and holy,' or when scientifically,
                          they say 'it is rational,' and so on, but

                          from a wider perspective and with your OWN
                          perception, you can see, that they are doing
                          the very opposite, of what they say they are
                          doing) -

 on top of that, they will try and do everything they can, to
 "enlighten" others also, to pull others INTO Hell as well,

 to enforce those ideas, feelings and "perceptions" - that broken
 connection to life - onto others too, to invert awareness,

      and they will try to bring that about as permanently as they
      can:

      To make you and others be "equal to them," or preferably,
      "below them"

            - as various attempts and revolutions and dictatorships
              in history have shown you.

'

            Their soul has been so intensely damaged, that it is
            irreparable. Which is a very bitter truth, but if you do
            not know it, or if you reject that truth, then

            your (intentional or unintentional) ignorance of it,
            will lead to you and others being destroyed: *(3)(4)

            (and you can read about that, too, in the history books)

                  If you regard them as normal, that is, that will
                  lead to you and others being destroyed; *(9)

                  or if you try to help them to become normal, as I
                  described for instance in 'Two More Tools To Detect
                  Criminal Minds.'  *(5)

'

'

Normal people can however move out of or be pulled out of the
 dominating effects, ideas, feelings and compulsions that are
 created and inflicted continuously onto you, onto everyone - by
 such mutilated souls -

      as a dense 'fog' indeed,

      or as very directed attempts (as wholly directed strategies,
      as aimed attacks on you and on your body).  *(a)

'

 These things had to be and indeed have been described extensively
 in the Human Rights Issues:

      It is very nice to grant people "rights" of course, but
      if you don't even know how to detect their absence, or how
      to protect these from being taken away, then you will never
      establish them (the rights of people) in the first place.

      So the Human Rights Issues had to be developed first.

'

'

'

And now you know what the music of Bach does - without my going into
 why and how it does so, which is very advanced physics that had to
 be developed to protect and to restore life, and which is and
 becomes further available in the Human Rights Issues.

'

Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
Human Rights Philosopher and Poet

                                       'Solomon's wisdom was greater
                                                  than the wisdom of
                                             all the men of the East,
                                                         and greater
                                        than all the wisdom of Egypt.'

                                                        1 Kings 4:30

 _________
'Musicnote':

(*)   Extremely High Quality Performances of Johann Sebastian Bach
      - if by way of introduction, then maybe they are listened to
      in the order suggested below:

      1. Oboe Concertos BWV 1053R, 1056R, 1059R, 1060R
         performed by Goritzki, oboe, and Rilling, conductor.

      2. Violin Solo - the 'Chaconne' and some other parts from the
         Sonatas and Partitas for violin solo,
         performed by James Ehnes, violin.

      3. Mass in B minor 'Hohe Messe'
         performed by Karajan, conductor.

      4. Saint Matthew Passion 'Matthaeus Passion'
         performed by Klemperer, conductor.

      The performers make a considerable difference, which is why
      I mention them, here - however, there are very many, very high
      quality performers of Bach, and so I had to call these Extremely
      High Quality Performances, and to serve as a possible
      introduction to Bach, I chose only four recordings.
'

_________
Textnotes:

(a)   A compulsion is an intention (a Life Energy) inflicted on you
      by a Criminal Mind, and it is inflicted so as to make you feel
      it as if it is your OWN intention (as if it is a Life Energy of
      your "own" creation),

      inflicted "as your own," and it is inflicted in THAT way,
      exactly with the purpose that you also execute it, of course:

      You are supposed to feel and believe, that it is "your own
      desire," and that it is also "based on your own conclusions"

            - so that "You cannot say 'No' to it," because it
              "rationally is what you should do;"

              or, so that "You do not want to say 'No' to it"
              because "it is your own desire;"

      which it is not...

'

            The matter of compulsions, has been defined in various
            Human Rights Issues, and the definition applies apparently
            to all compulsions.

                 (And one can expect from a correct definition, of
                  course, that it applies universally.)

'

      As long as you BELIEVE the part of the compulsion, that intends
      to make you believe "it is your OWN intention," or "your OWN
      subconscious," "your OWN nature," "YOUR 'disease'," etc. etc.,

      as long as you believe THAT lie

            - which is also enforced on you by current medical
              "science," and by all medical doctors, and by others
              who get paid for "treating you" - *(7)

      then you won't get anywhere,

      because it is NOT YOUR OWN - the compulsion is being inflicted,
      or has in the past been inflicted, ONTO your soul and ONTO your
      body.

'

'

            The definition is - also by various successful methods
            to control compulsions - proven to be correct.

            Jack Trimpey's 'Rational Recovery' method for instance,
            totally masters and makes you forever END any compulsion
            ('addiction,' you are educated to call it) to take drugs,
            and that includes completely ending any alcoholism.

                  (Even when they do not know the definition of
                   compulsion,

                   and even when - to "explain" their correct
                   method - they replace 'Criminal Mind' and say
                   "it comes from some part of the body's brain,"

                   they merely fit - but do not act upon - the
                   "thinking" and the "science" that they and
                   others have grown up with in school).  *(6)(7)

'

            Trimpey, together with his marvelous wife, has faced
            very many compulsions that are typical to drug and
            alcohol abusers,

            and he faced and he named those compulsions also, which
            are - curiously enough - generated and enforced by the
            'Drug Rehabilitation Trade' itself (!), on abusers; and

            he labeled the compulsions correctly, and he has acted
            accordingly, and correctly - for which he has my greatest
            respect.

                  The 'Bob Linden-method' to handle the compulsion
                  of fear, seems to also understand the first part
                  of the Definition of Compulsion - at a first glance
                  by me, from his advertising (he does not provide
                  a copy of his texts on the Internet for review and
                  free use, as Trimpey does) - he seems successfully
                  to apply the Definition of Compulsion.

'

'

      You have to differentiate the compelled ideas and feelings and
      intentions, from those that are your actual OWN,

      so that you start to recognize

            and act accordingly when you expose the lies, and bring to
            light

      the facts, which are, that

            the compulsions ARE NOT YOUR OWN INTENTION OR IDEAS, but
            are inflicted, projected, enforced onto or educated into
            you by external sources, and with Energies (forces) that
            actually do compel,

                  like COMPELLING YOU to jump in front of a train,
                  or COMPELLING YOU to cross the street when a bus
                  approaches,
                  or COMPELLING YOUR BODY to sneeze,
                  or COMPELLING YOU to sleep,

                  by the infliction on you or on your body, of
                  Energies (forces, Life Energy Particles) that
                  actually compel,

            that are inflicted or insinuated "as your own," but that
            ARE NOT your own.  *(7)

'

            The trick is, to find out which ARE your own and which
            are NOT your own desires,

            and to have some practical approach to that.

                  The methods mentioned, for a person to end
                  alcoholism and drug abuse forever, these methods
                  do theoretically assign that external source

                        to some part of your body's brain, and their
                        doing so, is a 'gimmick' to make it easy on
                        you

                              (with the society's present lack of
                               knowledge)

                        so that you still can say it is 'NOT YOUR OWN
                        IDEAS OR FEELINGS'

                        - and, in contrast to what the unimaginably
                          insane and highly dangerous medical trade
                          DOES, like cutting into or removing or
                          drugging parts of the brain, *(6)(7)

                          these teachers are not desiring to do any
                          such entirely harmful, moronic things to
                          people

                              as the medical trade does with the
                              highly destructive arrogance of the
                              blind "scientist."

'

                  The gimmick used for totally and completely ending
                  drug and alcohol abuse, or compulsions of fear or
                  embarrassment etc., is

                  to get across to you, that 'it is an external source
                  which is NOT YOU' that causes the compulsion
                  (the addiction, the fear, the embarrassment, etc.
                  etc.),

                        and the use of that 'gimmick' does achieve,
                        that you don't go wondering, or that those
                        who teach the method, don't go wondering

                              - or rather, wandering onto the very
                                difficult path of finding out by
                                whom and how the compulsion is or
                                has been inflicted -

                  which can be understood in Fine Particle Physics,
                  and which subject, once understood, returns sanity
                  to medical science; and Fine Particle Physics makes
                  the subject of the mind very, very easy indeed,

                  like "how could I have possibly survived without
                  it:" Well, you did not survive, actually, without
                  it, did you

                        - you have a ninety percent or so chance, that
                          you will die in a most horrible condition,
                          in a hospital or in a home for the demented,
                          and, at that, most likely while severely
                          drugged by medical personnel, quite possibly
                          even against your will, and

                          on top of that, you are wholly uneducated
                          (I would say) about the life you are told
                          is ending,

                          and that, at an age many times below what
                          the legendary Methuselah found a proper
                          amount of years for the human body to live
                          in full health.  *(1)

'

                  While it may be possible to build a cathedral
                  without knowing or without using any mathematics
                  or physics,

                  it becomes immensely easier to do so, when one
                  understands and uses mathematics and physics

                        - one could even build a satellite and put it
                          in orbit.

'

                  The subject of compelling - as the more intelligent
                  reader will notice - has also very much to do with
                  warfare and all that is connected to it,

                        as you are basically fighting enemies who
                        are Criminal Minds, or, people who are
                        COMPELLED by Criminal Minds into being
                        enemies too.

                        And so it has always been, and so it always
                        will be, but none of the books on warfare
                        mention it at all...

                        Yet that is THE strategy by which you have
                        to fight any war, because THAT IS the nature
                        of war.
'

(b)   The effect of breaking destructive connection and of restoring
      and increasing the normal connection to life, has been called
      the 'Mozart Effect' by various people

            - when they observed, that the music of Mozart has the
              measurable quality of enhancing connection to life.
'

_________
Footnotes:

(1)  'The Feeling "When God Has Left You..."
      - Introduction to 'What is Hell' ' {HRI 20031124-V3.2}
       (24 November 2003 - Version 3.2 on 16 May 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/alt.religion/msg/3c6799e5a78fbda5?f...

(2)  'Who Feels Bach Correctly - The Soul Of Music'
       {HRI 20040704-V3.1} (4 July 2004 - Version 3.1 on 12 June 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/Koos-Nolst-Trenite/msg/59073fd311d1...

(3)  'Detecting Criminal Minds By Their Intentional Omission Of Vital
      Truth' {HRI 20020819-V2.2.3}
       (19 August 2002 - Version 2.2.3 on 12 May 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/53a97b173ef3...

(4)  'Criminal Minds ENJOY LYING, And THEY Know They Intentionally Lie'
      {HRI 20050527-V3.5} (27 May 2005 - Version 3.5 on 10 June 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/human-rights-issues/msg/ecc4b12aaae...

(5)  'Two More Tools To Detect Criminal Minds' (16 July 2003)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/7585a3f78ab0...

(6)  'Issue Note V3.0 on 'The Hippocrates Syndrome - Current State of
      Mental Health Care And Understanding - Consequences For
      Decision Makers, Caretakers And Caregivers' '
       (27 September 2005)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/7e28b77daa515f63?fwc=1

(7)  'Current State of Mental Health Care And Understanding
      - Consequences For Decision Makers, Caretakers And Caregivers'
      {HRI 20021209-V3.1} - (9 Dec 2002 - Version 3.1 on 27 Sept 2005)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/98b407408d4daf50?fwc=1
       (full text:)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/98b407408d4daf50?dmode=sou...

(8)  ' "Insane" "Defined" By Criminal Minds As 'Ability To Perceive
       Them' ' {HRI 20040422-V2.4}
       (22 April 2004 - Version 2.4 on 21 July 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/b110d81d0be3...

(9)  'Consequences Of Not Facing Hu Jintao, A Criminal Mind As Head Of
      State' {HRI 20051120-V2.4.1}
       (20 November 2005 - Version 2.4.1 on 7 Dec 2005)
http://groups.google.com/group/human-rights-issues/msg/396339153791d3...

(10) 'Defining 'Destructive Coward' (Definition)'
      {HRI 20050610-V2.1.2}
       (10 June 2005 - Version 2.1.2 on 2 Aug 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/sci.anthropology/msg/9196f0540c551b...

(11) 'If You Want Peace, Then Do Understand And Face Evil
      - A Short Course In Human Rights Philosophy' {HRI 20041225-V1.02}
       (25 December 2004 - Christmas Day)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.rights.human/msg/34578c4c3a9f0b...

(12) 'Writing Technique - Non-fiction - Facing Life' (17 Mar 2003)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/f7cc98362280e679?fwc=1
'

__________
Issue Note:

            The often rather big improvement in readability of
            subsequent Versions of a Human Rights Issue, is already
            explained in:
            'A Short Course In Human Rights Philosophy,' *(11)
            and in:
            'Writing Technique - Non-fiction - Facing Life.'  *(12)

            There is the large amount of 'feed-back' I get from you
            when you read it, which is my feeling some of your
            thoughts and emotions as you read or after you read
            a Human Rights Issue, and my feeling how others react to
            your increased understanding and your increased courage
            to be yourself.

            There are the spiritual battles that are being waged
            against those of unimaginably intense evil, who demand
            you to be unaware and who keep you unaware, and who thus
            intend to destroy your joy of life, and who intend to
            keep it destroyed.

                  The Trinity of Science shows you, that these battles
                  are inevitable for obtaining and restoring correct
                  data.

            These battles take place largely without that you feel or
            know it, and they result - if I win - in my writing and
            in you getting a Human Rights Issue and your reading it.
'

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