I am not necessarily aligned with the Open Voting Consortium's work, but I will
say that (a) They published first, by a long shot and (b) they have a working
prototype, which was demonstrated at the recent LinuxWorld event, whereas the
new "Open Source Digital Voting Foundation" stuff isn't even finished.
Bev Harris
Founder - Black Box Voting
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
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Paul,
I don't know if that is what you mean but you sound a little like
election officials who claim that open source would make us more
susceptible to tampering (the security through obscurity approach.)
In fact it is much more likely that any open source system will have
much more accountability and security features built into it, making
it not only much more difficult to hack, but in addition, it would
point to who had to provide access to the hacker in order to hack it.
Vote counts can be fraudulently manipulated in many many ways that do
not require hacking any software at all, as we've seen.
If software is going to be used to count votes (which I recommend
since software can detect some kinds of errors and manipulations that
manual counting can not -- ideally there would be a 100% machine
count and a 100% manual count) then open source software is far
preferable for many reasons above trade secret software.
Bev is correct that the Sequoia system is so far vaporware in that it
has not been given yet to the EAC and to the ITAs for federal
certification and who knows what type of license it will have yet. I
would assume, however, that Sequoia has hired some professional
computer folks that know what they're doing (a huge change from what
we've seen thus far from most commercial vendors) or it would not be
makings its next new voting system open source.
I agree with you Paul and with Bev that open source is *not* in any
sense a solution to ensuring the accuracy of US election outcomes.
I have a background in both graduate level computer science and
mathematics so that colors my perspective and gives me some small
understanding of how much more secure and reliable and accountable
open source software tends to be.
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Town of Colonie, NY 12304
phone 518-952-4030
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http://utahcountvotes.org
http://electionmathematics.org
http://kathydopp.com/serendipity/
Realities Mar Instant Runoff Voting - 18 Flaws and 4 Benefits
http://electionmathematics.org/ucvAnalysis/US/RCV-IRV/InstantRunoffVotingFlaws.pdf
Voters Have Reason to Worry
http://utahcountvotes.org/UT/UtahCountVotes-ThadHall-Response.pdf
Checking election outcome accuracy --- Post-election audit sampling
http://electionmathematics.org/em-audits/US/PEAuditSamplingMethods.pdf
Careful -- that's a trap too. Even if the people named in the article do not
realize it.
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Open source is not worse than proprietary software -- it has the
potential to be better for the reasons you say, but not enough better.
This is because you have absolutely no foolproof way to determine
that this is what is actually running on the machine (and that nothing
else is also running on the machine) when the machine is used for
an election. This is one of the BIG reasons that no programmable
device must ever be used for casting or counting votes. Humans
can make errors or be corrupted -- in fact these things happen quite
often -- but at least other people can potentially see what the other
humans are doing. This requires that the observers be let in to
where the votes are stored and counted, but at least once that
requirement is satisfied, the observers can see something bad
that is happening as long as no machines are involved, whereas
they cannot see what is going on inside machines (and in the
case of machines used for vote casting, if the observers could see
what was going on inside the machine, this would violate the
voter's privacy rights).
Only if they thought that they needed to. As we saw in Ohio in 2004,
the "random" audits were not random, thus rendering the recount
meaningless. If the hackers know which precincts are on the list
of precincts which could be audited, all they have to do is make sure
that their program does not steal votes in those particular precincts.
> [. . .] People should get a tax credit of $50 for every vote cast
> and more if they participate in poll work to help motivate more
> participation and value to having people participate in the
> election process.
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