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Joe Parker  
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 More options May 22, 11:36 am
From: Joe Parker <joepark...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:36:08 -0400
Local: Fri, May 22 2009 11:36 am
Subject: menus
Why bother with the menu and question? Unless there are multiple
programs on the disc, the act of inserting the disk means they want to
watch the video. Just get on with it. No need for HTML encoding, just
an autorun.exe to a common mpeg-1 or mpeg-2 file.


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Alex G.  
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 More options May 23, 3:49 pm
From: "Alex G." <alex...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:49:01 -0700
Local: Sat, May 23 2009 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [DV-L] menus

> Why bother?

Programming ethics.  Give the user an option to opt out.  Your disc is only
a guest in his/her house (computer).

> the act of inserting the disk means they want to watch the video

And the act of opening an email means you want to run the virus attached to
it?

Autorunning anything without an option to cancel, is extremely bad manners.
 Which is exactly why autorun behavior has been greatly restricted with
Vista and Win7 platforms.

The user must remain in control of his/her computer.  Not the programmer.
 You don't come into someone's house, grab a beer and jump into the jacuzzi,
without asking.  Yet a lot of today's software does exactly that.

A.


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Bob G  
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 More options May 23, 5:12 pm
From: Bob G <bgun...@illinoisalumni.org>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 23 2009 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: menus
Gee, Alex, you must know my brother-in-law. You only missed that he
turns on the TV before jumping into the jacuzzi!

RPG

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Tony B  
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 More options May 23, 9:36 pm
From: Tony B <ton...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 21:36:51 -0400
Local: Sat, May 23 2009 9:36 pm
Subject: Re: [DV-L] Re: menus
I dunno. For some reason it reminds me of too many apps that
continually ask "Are you sure you want to do that?". YES! I put the cd
in, please play it! Or don't, but don't *ask* me if I want to play it!

But it is true that autorun can be a security issue. Some pundits
recommend disabling it. However, that would disable your menu also.


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Alex G.  
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 More options May 23, 10:55 pm
From: "Alex G." <alex...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 19:55:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [DV-L] Re: menus

Agreed, it can be annoying.  Then again, well-behaving apps and many Windows
modules will have a check box, "don't ask me again", and will do the default
action on subsequent runs.  A web page can be designed to do that too.

A.


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Randy Quimpo  
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 More options May 28, 2:18 am
From: Randy Quimpo <randy.qui...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:18:58 +0800
Local: Thurs, May 28 2009 2:18 am
Subject: Re: [DV-L] Re: menus
It is a convention to ask before you run something, but I tend to
agree that the act of putting a disk into your drive means you intend
to run it (otherwise, why put it in? for storage?).

In fact, a client recently told me not to bother with any menus - just
make the disk autorun, which makes me wonder if clients actually
appreciate giving them the choice. We producers decided a few years
back that we should be polite and give our clients these options, but
do our clients actually WANT THEM?

Methinks we sometimes overdo it. In this case, I think autorun is in order.

rgds/ RandyQ


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Joe Parker  
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 More options May 28, 7:14 am
From: Joe Parker <joepark...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:14:12 -0400
Local: Thurs, May 28 2009 7:14 am
Subject: Re: [DV-L] Re: menus
I wasn't even thinking in terms of DVD menus. I put projects on DVDs
maybe an average of 1-2 a month, and about 70% of them specifically
ask for auto play (no menu).

But don't get me started. For about 70% of those that take a menu,
they want me to include a line somewhere on the menu to "press play to
begin". This really irks me in 2009 - to think some clients would be
so stupid as to put in a DVD and stare at the menu screen and have no
idea to press Play.


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Alex G.  
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 More options May 28, 5:22 pm
From: "Alex G." <alex...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:22:35 -0700
Local: Thurs, May 28 2009 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [DV-L] Re: menus

The act of opening a door to a restaurant - does it always mean you intend
to eat the 1st choice on the menu?  What if it's a flaming taco dinner for
four, and you are just one diminutive person with a taste for a smoothie?
 :)

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Alex G.  
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 More options May 28, 6:53 pm
From: "Alex G." <alex...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:53:36 -0700
Local: Thurs, May 28 2009 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: [DV-L] Re: menus

At the end of the day, it's a question of trusted vs. untrusted media.
 Video DVDs and music (not combination, i.e. not music+data) CDs are
trusted, inherently.  Their behavior is fully predictable, with the
exception maybe of my brother-in-law DVDs that he keeps in his dresser.
Just any file-based media with autorun should *not* be able to execute
without confirmation, otherwise it's a huge, huge security risk.  Remember
Sony root kit fiasco?  And you thought, you could trust Sony.

That said, if the flash drive came in a package that clearly explains what
the video is about, i.e. the user will know what to expect - you are
absolutely right, there is no need for a menu or a confirmation request.

A.


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