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  <title type="text">ClayCraft Google Group</title>
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  Ceramics Pottery 陶工 陶芸家 陶器 This an International group for the discussion of ceramic art and craft. We have a companion weblog at: http://claycraft.blogspot.com/ Please do not forward other people&#39;s messages without their permission .
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  <updated>2009-11-24T06:27:27Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>Neon-Cat</name>
  <email>neon...@flash.net</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-24T06:27:27Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/2ffb4dec8b5fa0c2/a53e5d09f78d1488?show_docid=a53e5d09f78d1488</id>
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  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Wiring</title>
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  Lee, it sounds like you&#39;re getting good ideas and have a light &amp;amp; small appliance circuit in place. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;When I had my kiln wired this spring I wanted it code approved in case my neighbors, guests, future students, insurance company, city code inspectors, or anyone else asked. For that I needed an electrician with a current masters license. My guy, recommended by potters and the place where I got my kiln, was super nice. All rates are by the book anyway for parts and labor once they are on premises. My guy knew all about kilns and the job needed no explaining to him. It was a short run (11.5 feet) from my 200 amp main house panel to a 50 amp breaker box using number 6 copper wire, single phase, 240 volts, 30 amps, 7200 watts, plug style 6-50R (Paragon TNF82-3, to cone 10). Wires are in a metal conduit and the plug is waterproof.
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  <email>rickmahaf...@comcast.net</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-24T05:58:21Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/5bb4d8f10c5b1e43/19f833b1f96fbc86?show_docid=19f833b1f96fbc86"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Bizen clay</title>
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  Fred, &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Actually it is processed and in plastic bags. Washington state is not as worried as Califronia is on that score either. The Yamamoto family runs a clay processing business in Imbe. &lt;br&gt; Even dry it would have been processed. Of course they would never get the chance due to the EXTREEME cost of the clay and shipping (I paid $175.00 per 20 Kg bag for Porcelain in Japan in 1996 and the bizen clay would be in that neighborhood at least).
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  <author>
  <name>Fredrick Paget</name>
  <email>fredr...@well.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-24T05:46:57Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Bizen clay</title>
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  There is a veyr good chance that the Agricultural inspecters at the &lt;br&gt; port of entry would confiscate the Bizen clay as it is unprocessed &lt;br&gt; earth in their eyes and forbidden to import because of fear of plant &lt;br&gt; diseases or animal disease too. &lt;br&gt; When I used to import plants I had to clean the plants of all traces
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  <author>
  <name>Louis Katz</name>
  <email>louisk...@yahoo.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-24T03:27:05Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/5bb4d8f10c5b1e43/c766f7360ab959b4?show_docid=c766f7360ab959b4"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Bizen clay</title>
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  I have never thrown bizen clay nor have I a real good idea of what it &lt;br&gt; looks like. &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.tamucc.edu/~lkatz/LK/kilnsasart/OutOfKiln/pages/e.htm&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; This pot was made floor sweepings and scraps cone 6-8 soda in graduate &lt;br&gt; school. I have a clay body that takes cone 10 and is a bit more fused &lt;br&gt; and dark but reminds me of this one.
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  <author>
  <name>Louis Katz</name>
  <email>louisk...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T03:14:15Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/2ffb4dec8b5fa0c2/f1b9c1be21bf04da?show_docid=f1b9c1be21bf04da"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Wiring</title>
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  When I moved into my house here there was a 220 outlet in the enclosed &lt;br&gt; former Florida room. It was up high near a window. I tested it at some &lt;br&gt; point and could not figure out what the problem was so I took the &lt;br&gt; cover off the fuse box. Both hot leads were attached to the same leg &lt;br&gt; of the 220. This gives 110 to the common from each of the hot leads,
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  <author>
  <name>Lee</name>
  <email>toge...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-24T02:04:15Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/5bb4d8f10c5b1e43/eca0a093f696e87d?show_docid=eca0a093f696e87d"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Bizen clay</title>
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  What I bought cost about what clay costs here, which makes it 3 times &lt;br&gt; as expensive for Mashiko Nami. I bought the cone 6 Bizen clay. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;This is John Baymore&#39;s recipe: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Bizen Type Clay For Woodfiring: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Goldart 50 &lt;br&gt; AP Green 10 &lt;br&gt; Hawthorn 5 &lt;br&gt; Flint 5 &lt;br&gt; C-6 Spar 5
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  <author>
  <email>rickmahaf...@comcast.net</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-24T00:07:01Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/5bb4d8f10c5b1e43/03e5b840a4940e2a?show_docid=03e5b840a4940e2a"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Bizen clay</title>
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  Craig, unfortunately I do not.  I did have the opportunity to buy clay from Bizen and have it shipped home, but by the time I got it to a port city from Imbe it would have been waaayyy expensive and then there was the matter of shipping from Japan to USA and attendant costs to get it off the dock and into my truck.  The clay itself was already about 10 times what I pay for clay here from the local supplier.
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  <name>CRAIG</name>
  <email>craigledwa...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2009-11-23T22:59:00Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/5bb4d8f10c5b1e43/9713215f0b19c2cd?show_docid=9713215f0b19c2cd"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Craftmanship at the union of man and the rest of nature.</title>
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  Wes... thanks I&#39;ll keep my eyes open. &lt;br&gt; Make Good Pots &lt;br&gt; ~Craig &lt;br&gt; New London MN &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://woodfiredpottery.blogspot.com/&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <author>
  <name>CRAIG</name>
  <email>craigledwa...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-23T22:57:49Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/5bb4d8f10c5b1e43/3228ae18534f7b40?show_docid=3228ae18534f7b40"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Bizen clay</title>
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  Rick: I think you are right!! I&#39;m going to keep that clay for smaller &lt;br&gt; pots... it should keep me on my best behavior. You wouldn&#39;t have any bizen &lt;br&gt; like formulas perchance? &lt;br&gt; Make Good Pots &lt;br&gt; ~Craig &lt;br&gt; New London MN &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://woodfiredpottery.blogspot.com/&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <author>
  <name>Sherron &amp; Jim Bowen</name>
  <email>jbowe...@prairienetworks.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-23T22:11:38Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/2ffb4dec8b5fa0c2/e54e553c0c574050?show_docid=e54e553c0c574050"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Wiring</title>
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  It might be good to have the electrician check out the house wiring even if &lt;br&gt; you decide on a new meter at the garage. All three of my daughter&#39;s old &lt;br&gt; houses have curious wiring layouts caused by numerous owner installed &lt;br&gt; upgrades. &lt;br&gt; JB &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;----- Original Message ----- &lt;br&gt; To: &amp;lt;claycraft@googlegroups.com&amp;gt;
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  <author>
  <name>hambone</name>
  <email>kansaspot...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-23T21:58:09Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/2ffb4dec8b5fa0c2/1178d1a4355fa454?show_docid=1178d1a4355fa454"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Wiring</title>
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  Louis: Right - barrier islands are formed from wave and tidal action. &lt;br&gt; Clays get into the gulf via rivers and air. The parts of Mexico I &lt;br&gt; visited was full of volcanoes - and Western Kansas is covered with &lt;br&gt; volcanic loess from the Rockies - so airborne or waterborne either way &lt;br&gt; makes perfect sense. The other possibility is an prehistoric bay or
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  <author>
  <name>Lee</name>
  <email>toge...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-23T21:55:13Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/2ffb4dec8b5fa0c2/7e9ee044e900b91c?show_docid=7e9ee044e900b91c</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/2ffb4dec8b5fa0c2/7e9ee044e900b91c?show_docid=7e9ee044e900b91c"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Wiring</title>
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  I wired the kiln originally when we lived at the artists cooperative. &lt;br&gt; I used about 30 ft of wire to put the kiln over by the outside wall. &lt;br&gt; But that was all straight forward from a standard box. My wiring &lt;br&gt; in the basement is really screwy. Maybe an electrician would have &lt;br&gt; to redo it to get me 220 to the garage. I am guessing a new meter
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Lee</name>
  <email>toge...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-23T21:51:00Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/2ffb4dec8b5fa0c2/f44ae272a3e583e7?show_docid=f44ae272a3e583e7</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/2ffb4dec8b5fa0c2/f44ae272a3e583e7?show_docid=f44ae272a3e583e7"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Wiring</title>
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  Thanks Louis! &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt; My father and step-father both attended technical H.S. in &lt;br&gt; Detroit. My stepfather was a master printer. &lt;br&gt; -- &lt;br&gt; Lee Love in Minneapolis &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://mingeisota.blogspot.com/&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a &lt;br&gt; faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant
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  <author>
  <name>hambone</name>
  <email>kansaspot...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-23T21:43:36Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/2ffb4dec8b5fa0c2/d4f146fe73bd2a6a?show_docid=d4f146fe73bd2a6a"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Wiring</title>
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  Lee: There are 3 separate issues: One is the gauge of the wire, &lt;br&gt; another is the amperage of the kiln, thirdly, what breaker does the &lt;br&gt; wire go to, and what amperage is it? The wire mentioned 12/2 gauge may &lt;br&gt; appropriate for several different breaker sizes, several different &lt;br&gt; kiln sizes (but small ones)
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  <author>
  <name>Louis Katz</name>
  <email>louisk...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-11-23T21:19:20Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/claycraft/browse_thread/thread/2ffb4dec8b5fa0c2/7f2031a52da3f484?show_docid=7f2031a52da3f484"/>
  <title type="text">Re: *ClayCraft* Wiring</title>
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  Several things. &lt;br&gt; 12/2 is 12 gauge 2 wires if the third wire is bare it is 12/2 with ground.12/3 has three insulated wires. This might be used on a lighting circuit where you need a light that can be turned on or off from either location. &lt;br&gt; 12 gauge can certainly be used for 220 V just not at the amperage a kiln requires. Essentially the gauge (size) of the wire determines the amperage capacity of the wire. There is also however a drop in voltage over a distance. The larger the wire, the smaller the drop. As the amperage goes up the voltage drop increases. Consequently a very long thin wire will not &amp;quot;bring&amp;quot; enough volts to the kiln. As the distance increases you need larger gauges.
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