On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 4:02 PM, William Saturno <wsatu
...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For those following the current replicator / thingverse controversy, this
> may be of interest.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: bre pettis <brepet...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Idea: things.hackerspaces.org now that
> Thingiverse is not ok anymore
> To: Hackerspaces General Discussion List <disc...@lists.hackerspaces.org>
> Hey folks, having started NYCResistor, I'm on this list too!
> The terms are not bad, they are just written by a lawyer. I'm working
> with the lawyers to make them much more readable so folks don't freak
> out anymore than they already have.
> Our goal with upgrading the terms is to protect the system that we're
> so proud of. Seriously, sorry for the lawyer speak, we're working on
> it because we care about our users.
> Bre
> MakerBot Industries
> http://makerbot.com
> Video - Time Magazine Game Changer: http://ti.me/nGtIrJ
> Print - NYTimes: http://nyti.ms/oKITfc
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> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Daniel Harmsworth
> <atro...@caffeinator.net> wrote:
> > There's a member at the Artifactory that has build a CouchDB based
> > distributed thingiverse-like system with distributed rendering, gcode
> > simulation and other cool stuff (basically for his own internal use), In
> > light of recent developments I have suggested that we install a publicly
> > accessible version of it on the Artifactory servers. Will report back
> when
> > we have it up for experimentation, there is a fairly limited UI at the
> > moment.
> > On 24 September 2012 00:35, Walter van Holst <wal...@revspace.nl> wrote:
> >> On 2012-09-23 18:01, Sparr wrote:
> >>> Has anyone gotten an actual lawyer's opinion of the new TOS?
> >> As mentioned in my blog post, I am a lawyer. Not an attorney, mind you
> and
> >> not practicing in the USA either.
> >>> I do not
> >>> see that the new language is significantly different from the old
> >>> language. The new TOS doesn't say they can use your designs to make
> >>> new closed source hardware, they are still only allowed to use it to
> >>> display it on their website.
> >> No, it literally talks about "incorporate into other works, and
> otherwise
> >> use your User Content", per section 3.2 of the Terms of Use. As already
> >> quoted in my blog post. You could argue that the last bit of that
> sentence
> >> "solely for the purposes of including your User Content in the Site and
> >> Services" applies further than the sublicensing bit, but to me it reads
> >> rather ambiguously and I wouldn't feel safe to say it applies any
> further
> >> than the grant to sublicense. Not to say that the old terms weren't
> >> ambiguous either, but since they limited themselves to derivative
> works, it
> >> made life much easier because that is specifically a copyright term. On
> top
> >> of that the assertion about transmission and display in the old version
> read
> >> much broader.
> >> And yes, natural languages are a pain, ambiguity-wise. But we have to
> make
> >> do with them.
> >> Regards,
> >> Walter
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> > http://www.artifactory.org.au
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