I don't know about anyone else, but Neha, my problem is with you  
sitting in London. i.e. SITTING in London. From now on, I would like  
you to stand and pass judgement. Then I have no problem.

yours,
dilip.

I am not a  NRI hater. I hold them below contempt.
Neha should know better than to talk about terrorism and freedom of
speech to me ( I am sure you are an analyst with Infoys.)
Tne entire point has flown over your head.
Go watch some Bollywood flick and be done with it.

Sunil
(from Mumbai which suffered the blast and not London,)

Neha,

I agree with Dilip.
On the other hand, I can only see your connection to Mumbai as someone
who has Indian roots ( correct me if I am wrong).
Did you SEE victims?
Did you HEAR their stories?
Have you even SPOKEN to Army guys fighting in Kashmir?
I live right near Hinduja Hospital where many of the blast victims were
brought.
I have seen the 1993 riots and the blasts ( as have many Mumbaikars).
You have no locus standi.

Sunil

Dilip D'Souza -- feedback wrote:

On 23-Jul-06, at 12:02 AM, newnimproved wrote:

Awww! Poor you! Someone blew up a train in your city and you didn't  
even get a t-shirt. Here, take some sympathy.

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Sunil,

I am not even going to bother explaining or justifying what it is that I
work on - or how long I have been here. I wish Infy would hire me - but
apparently my tech skills leave much to be desired.

The simple issue at hand is this - you have run out of ideas - so you do
what comes to most of us very easily -attack people's identity - you lack
the guts to argue forcefully or logically - on the basis of the idea itself
- while ideas are not divorced from identities - your insecurity is
laughable.

So tell me - if something happens in Nashik - you are more "credible"
because you are "closer"? As opposed to someone say in Bangalore?

Below contempt I believe - It's your idea I hold below contempt. Which
should scare the fuck out of you - because your identity can only carry you
so far.

Best
Neha

On 7/22/06, Kiran Jonnalagadda <j...@pobox.com> wrote:

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ATTENTION MODERATORS:

How did you let this through?

<<Awww! Poor you! Someone blew up a train in your city and you didn't

even get a t-shirt. Here, take some sympathy.

--
Kiran Jonnalagadda
http://www.pobox.com/~jace >>

He thinks he is being funny? Witty? What?

Sunil

Neha,

On your question of logic:

<<So tell me - if something happens in Nashik - you are more "credible"

because you are "closer"? As opposed to someone say in Bangalore? >>>

Here is the sequence of events:

1. There was a series of blasts in Mumbai.

2. Following the blasts in MUMBAI the government  decides to ban blogs
access from INDIA.

3. Peter and others set up this forum.

4. I am from MUMBAI and INDIA.

I also mentioned KASHMIR in my post. If you like I will get some Army
guys to mail you. You know NOTHING about terrorism and are indulging in
armchair intellectualisations. As said before you have no LOCUS STANDI.
(Not being in INDIA).

As for your identity, you suffer a serious identity crisis.

<<Which should scare the fuck out of you - because your identity can
only carry you
so far. >>

It is not about identity. It is about INDIA. You are confusing the two
issues.
Using four letter words is unbecoming and shows how silly you are.
Restrain yourself.

I will quote from Dead Poet's Society:

"We don't read and write poetry because it's cute. We read and write
poetry because we are members of the human race. And the human race is
filled with passion. And medicine, law, business, engineering, these
are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life. But poetry, beauty,
romance, love, these are what we stay alive for."
- Dead Poet's Society.

You lack love, passion and soul.

A right brain if you will.

But no one is beyond hope.

I wihs you the best,

Sunil
In Mumbai (India)

PS: To avoid double posts this is to inform the insensitive cad, Kiran
Jonnalagadda,  that his callous comment and this thread will be sent to
all Mumbaikars and the Mumbai newspapers.

"Awww! Poor you! Someone blew up a train in your city and you didn't
even get a t-shirt. Here, take some sympathy.

--
Kiran Jonnalagadda

Eh. How does it matter which city you're in?

Agreeably being in Mumbai gives you first hand information on a lot of
things. But when Delhi suffered blasts a few months ago, or Haridwar
before that, or the terrorist attacks on parliament, the red fort - did
anyone ask you if you visited the families of the watch and ward staff
who defended guns with sticks? Did they ask YOU if you saw the terror
that was Sarojini Nagar in Delhi?

You could've been questioned in the same way. And at that point, being
in a different city is no different from being in a different country..
Lets not deviate away from the forum's goal of supporting anyone who
feels strongly about these things because of sheer geography.

Viksit

Eh. How does it matter which city you're in?

Agreeably being in Mumbai gives you first hand information on a lot of
things. But when Delhi suffered blasts a few months ago, or Haridwar
before that, or the terrorist attacks on parliament, the red fort - did
anyone ask you if you visited the families of the watch and ward staff
who defended guns with sticks? Did they ask YOU if you saw the terror
that was Sarojini Nagar in Delhi?

You could've been questioned in the same way. And at that point, being
in a different city is no different from being in a different country..
Lets not deviate away from the forum's goal of supporting anyone who
feels strongly about these things because of sheer geography.

Viksit

I would take this opprutunity to hurl some choice Mumbai abuses on you
but seeing that you are from cyber coolie HQ Bangalore, you would not
understand it.
Now go mourn Dr Rajkumar's demise by self-immolating yourself or
something equally demented.
Buzz off. Begone.

Sunil,

Ah-ha! someone at last to direct my vitriol at. In my opinion, Neha has done
much more for Mumbai than you could ever dream of. Living next to Hinduja
Hospital where you could veer away from blast victims is your definition of
'help' and 'support'. You seem like a Mumbaikar to the core, a misguided one
in the league of the Sena.

I will not go in the debate of explaining to you why domicile (in today's
age) doesn't matter and that probably I share a deeper connection with
Mumbai (goes back several generations in fact) because that is besides the
point. Anyone who lives or even cares for Mumbai after living in the city
for a second is Mumbaikar (or Bombayite) enough for me. Bloggers who have
never stepped in Mumbai have helped mobilize support during the cloudburst
and now after the blasts. So even my previous statement might be obsolete.

Your hate for NRI stems from the gree-eyed monster and blatant prejudice
which tells me enough about you to not indulge your frivilous arguments any
further.

Psst..Kiran's response is perhaps a more succinct response to your
discriminatory attitude.

PS. please take the effort to read the paragraph you cite so effusively..its
also talks about us being part of a human race, cities be damned.

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On 23-Jul-06, at 2:38 AM, newnimproved wrote:

I hope you will send them some context too. You are a free rider.  
You've done nothing for the city you so care for, you demand others  
give your words special importance simply because you were in the  
vicinity of the unfortunate incidents -- and you demand this for  
yourself, not for the city or those who suffered -- you lampoon  
people who had no connection with the event, and now you threaten to  
report me to Mumbaikers, the very whom on this forum vehemently  
disagree with you.

What do you hope to achieve with your threat?

I admit invoking the memory of an unfortunate event was not  
particularly sensitive, but consider what you are doing: free riding  
on that very memory, elevating *yourself*, for your own petty little  
ends. All I did was summarise your stand. If what you're saying is  
not hate speech, what is?

--
Kiran Jonnalagadda
http://www.pobox.com/~jace

'swhat I said, Neha. You have locus sitti all this time, and you had  
better STAND in London and pass judgement from now on.

cheers,
dilip.

None of the above. He thinks he's got locust brandi.

cheers,
dilip.

Sunil, as a fellow-Mumbaikar who lived throiugh the blasts, the great deluge
and several other hardships, may I extend my full-fledged support to your
incisive and path-breaking line of thinking.

Here are a few more people who should be taken to task for this ban -

Shahrukh Khan - he is busy dancing at award functions and can not raise a
voice about this?
Aamir Khan - He can support Medha Patkar but not bloggers?
Rakhi Sawant - She appears on TV to argue her right to wear skimpy clothes,
but does not say a woprd about our rights?
The dog near my building - He will chase his tail all day, but will not
think about chasing down the folks who imposed this ban.
The Dalai Lama - He is busy thinking about Tibetan freedom, but what about
our freedom?
Natthu paanwala - All he cares about is selfishly selling paan.
Navjot Sidhu - He will shoot his mouth off about everything but not such
things?

You, Sunil, would put even the love-child of Bal Thackeray and R R Patil to
shame.

On 7/23/06, Dilip D'Souza -- feedback <dilip...@gmail.com> wrote:

--
Gaurav Sabnis
---
Mumbai
--
I blog at http://gauravsabnis.blogspot.com

On a more serious note Sunil,

As a Maharashtrian Mumbaikar,
As a person whose family members have been almost fatally wounded fighting
terrorists in Kashmir as well as Northern Sri Lanka
As a person whose family spent 5 scary weeks during the 92-93 riots in
Bandra East witnessing murders
As a person whose family members is in the Mumbai police and has done things
you can't even dream of
As a person who has gotten caught in bloodthirsty riots as a 12 year-old
.....and so on and so forth...

I find you to be a pathetic excuse of a human being, lacking not just a
shred of decency and perspective, but also intelligence, common sense....
and even coherency.

Swatahacha itka udo-udo kartoyes...te pan ka? tar mhaNe tu hinduja
hospitalchya javal rahatos mhanun? 93chya dangali pahilya aahet mhanun? Tu
kaay faar Shivaji zaalas ka re gadhaDya?  Ashya be-akkal goshti kartos tyua
kartos. Tyacha malaa kaahi vaatat nahi. Pan hya be-akkali goshti tu "Mee
Mumbaikar" mhaNun khapavtos?
Jo disel tyabaddal garaL okaNey he kaahi Mumbai-tva navhe. Aani itki varsha
Mumbait rahun jar tule he pan kaLalele naahi tar tujhyasaarkjha moorkha
tuch.

On 7/23/06, Gaurav Sabnis <sab...@gmail.com> wrote:

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---
Mumbai
--
I blog at http://gauravsabnis.blogspot.com

Ah-ha! finally something that Sunil might understand. nothing better than
reprimanding someone stupid in aapli maay boli :) thode aankeen shivya
chalya astya.

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Oy, Gaurav.

Translate?

Recluse.

http://gsanks.blogspot.com

"Never argue with an idiot they drag down to thier own level then beat
you with experience."

Q.E.D

On another note, if someone puts forward his own views he is attacked
by a pack of  hyenas.
He is branded Sena, Hindutva, etc.
And this is a forum about freedom of speech!
Dilip, you should know better then after your moronic column on the
Capt Kalia episode during the Kargil war..

Sunil

I asked you then, I ask you again: which column? Your excellency  
refused to tell me then. Perhaps your excellency will find time to do  
so now.

After all, I visited Capt Kalia's family. Perhaps you might want to  
check with them whether what I wrote about their son was "moronic"?

But this being entirely off-topic, I will call a halt to it here.

yours,
dilip.

Sunil, what have you gotten yourself into? Do you have any idea what
damage you are causing? Why are you dragging, infosys and mr murthy
into this (have you been rejected by them in a job application or
something?) Why do you have to bring in Kashmir and our soliders into
this? What does it have to do with a block on blogs? Who gave you the
authority to speak on their behalf?

Since when did the blasts become a 'Mumbai' issue? I thought we are all
Indians. Who exactly is a Mumbaiker? Is he not Indian?

Why the sudden burst at Neha and Jace? The blasts were a human tragedy,
no matter who, what or where you are in this world, you can speak about
it.

Jace was merely commenting on your 'attention seeking' problem. You
choose the wrong forum and the wrong people to do it.

Freedom of speech, sure...but not moronic speech...and as Baburao Apte would
say, tune phir apna problem badal diya...ab yeh Capt.Kalia ka issue kahan se
aaya.

We suggest you make a post on your blog about this and lets have honest
exchange of opinions a la 'freedom of speech' ...jace has already done so.
Do you feel strongly enough to do the same? Dum hai?

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Dear Sunil,

I think the problem is that you don't really understand what this
group exists for and why we are here. Please do go through the threads
(especially the rants thread and other stickied threads). Also please
stop attacking individual members. If you have some beef with them
please take it elsewhere.

Thanks!

Saurabh

On 7/23/06, newnimproved <newnimpro...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sunil,

Talk about quoting out of context.

You were the one who mocked the Mumbai blasts by insisting nobody else
understood it because they weren't there. You mocked the pain of millions of
people who have family and friends in Mumbai by urging that anyone not
physically present didn't comprehend the gravity of the situation.

You - were hoping gain personal mileage out of a terrorist attack. Let's not
forget that Kiran said what he said because he wanted to remind you that
people had died and you shouldn't capitalize on their death.

You have a grudge against everyone because you obviously cannot stand
yourself. (I don't blame you.)

On 7/23/06, Saurabh Gupta <saura...@gmail.com> wrote:

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