If I get a moment I'll try to comment on the mindmap also.
Feargal
'I suspect other's may have come across this one which is very tricky...
I've been asked by a couple of people in my council if they can use the
likes of Bebo and Facebook to add a group to, to encourage young people to
engage with the council. Firstly, it's Libraries and secondly our youth
people who want to promote a youth portal that is being developed.
My gut reaction is not to touch these with a barge pole. Personally, I think
they are great but are they correct for Council's to go on?
Anyone else has experience of their council linking with the likes of
Facebook, Bebo, MySpace etc? If so how have you handled the 'issues' that
come with this?
Any help appreciated as usual.'
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Subject: [BarcampUKGovweb] Re: Taking forward threads of discussion around
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I'd be interested to know what the issues are, to start with. There
are masses of good reasons for engaging with these platforms, for
example the fact that they are already being used by the young people
in question, and we aren't asking them to sign up for some new,
Council (or otherwise) sponsored affair that is bound to be considered
naff.
One of the only problems I can think of is the fact that half the
public sector workers in the country are banned from social networks
during the working day, thus rendering the use of them for engagement
purposes pretty negligible.
Dave
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Leave open at present. Add to above rather than tighten it.
>
> I'm aware that this needs to appeal not just to a techie crowd - but
> also to the web managers / project workers / researchers who are key
> to moving forward thinking in this area.
Well, as much of the government seems to be listening here, wouldn't it be
good to involve the DCSF. Problem is, I don't think THEY are listening here.
>
> #When should a gathering take place?
> - I'm presuming a Saturday again?
Sounds good.
> - I'm thinking April, May or June. Any particular things to tie in
> with?
>
> #Should we go for a BarCamp model - or is some other model better for
> the potential participants?
Do you mean a real Barcamp or a Jeremy version? ;) (sorry Jeremy - pax?)
I suggest Barcamp
> I'm happy to take forward the first stage of getting some sort of wiki
> (either on BarCamp.org or elsewhere) set up - and then throwing this
> open to all - or if anyone else is keen to take a core role at this
> early stage - just let me know... :)
Good on ya!
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And youth campaigns?
> * Those working on digital media literacy and internet education
Perhaps adding in "interacting/co-existing with (M|V))LEs"?
(assuming "youth" to be those upto ~17)
> * Those working directly with young people to support their personal
> and social development
> * Those exploring, in particular, how young people interact with
> social networking sites
> * Young people involved in web based projects
>
> To move that forward, three key practical questions:
>
> # What do you think of the description / focus above? Does it need
> tightening up / leaving open?
Sort-of useful, but might be better off to wait and see who can cover
topics: the good thing about a 'real' Barcamp, where people do just come
together and talk/present/brainfart.
> I'm aware that this needs to appeal not just to a techie crowd - but
> also to the web managers / project workers / researchers who are key
> to moving forward thinking in this area.
And to some extent, I'd suggest, educationalists and educators.
> #When should a gathering take place?
> - I'm presuming a Saturday again?
> - I'm thinking April, May or June. Any particular things to tie in
> with?
have a shufty of upcoming :)
> #Should we go for a BarCamp model - or is some other model better for
> the potential participants?
depends on who's interested, I'd say. Might be worth getting an
indication of interest in the principle, and then taking it from there.
If we could get everybody to adopt the same tagging, formatting etc
then somebody could make better use of our data in an aggregated
fashion - not just republishing but perhaps a better way of
responding to consultations and monitoring government decisions based
on consultation responses.
Just an idea, sure there are plenty more.
Rule 1:
Everything published by government from now on should be published in
semantic open xml markup.
Rule 2:
Make sure that everyone follows Rule 1
If those 2 simple rules were adhered to, then everything else would pretty
much follow on.
But convincing the decision makers that enforcing those 2 rules would be a
good thing is going to be extremely difficult.
Certainly the DCSF are wont to publish lots of beautuflly produced
paper-based reports, guidance and initiatives. Most are available as PDF's.
But converting the data and text into semantic markup is no trivial task, so
production costs will increase at least in the short term. Which in turn
affects budgets. Which in turn affects initiatives. Which in turn affects
outcomes. Which will lead to much frontline resistance to such rules.
Because the books, pamphlets and reports will STILL need to be produced on
paper for the huge audience that exists for that.
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http://www.govhack.com/YoungPeople
To track some of the links being posted, and for people to add their
names as being interested in this 'project'. Let's keep the discussion
going here, but record anything tangible on the wiki too for a public
record.
Dave
For the reasons you note and others (existing IT infrastructure /
contracts / arrangements / CMS) it wouldn't be so easy to implement.